Post: #251

No tripod. I just tried to keep still.

Post: #252

(10-05-2014 08:15 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Video 3 of 3. I think it's the best one:

Roosh, were you pulling the focus or was that the autofocus? Nice job! I liked the brunette at 2:48.

Post: #253

very artistic. made me miss the place.

Post: #254

Manual focus.

Post: #255

Roosh,

This being your 2nd extended stay in Odessa, is it fair to say it's one of your favorite cities?

How would you compare it to a Polish city of comparable size like Wroclaw?

Post: #256

(10-01-2014 01:07 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  Ukraine experts: Do you think the shitty economy will make things easier or harder for picking up women in Ukraine?

Or will girls be mainly looking for sponsors?

I recently spent 2 weeks in Odessa and Kiev.

Odessa - definitely not as many tourists came this past summer. I went to the beach clubs - I was blow away by the talent. Truly impressed, just stunning tall women. The biggest problem - hardly anyone I met in Odessa could speak english. That made gaming almost impossible for me. I definitely plan on going back at the height of tourist season (I went at the tail end).

Kiev - still lots of opportunity for game. I was expecting that with the war going on, a lot of the women would be eager to leave Ukraine, which would play well with my white knight game. However, I was told that actually most Ukrainians (including the women) are feeling a lot more patriotic now and less eager to leave =( I still was able to get a lot of dates thru internet game so I still think there is plenty of opportunity. On the plus site, their currency is down which made my vacation in Ukraine pretty cheap.

Post: #257

Ok back in Kiev for Round 2!

Beautiful weather here now as they are having an Indian Summer (Babye Leta).

My ego got slightly bruised during my last foray here, but have to admit that reading about the Kamaki meltdown (and game (or lack theerof) unveiling) makes me feel a bit better and not wondering so much why I wasn't banging girls in the airport bathroom upon arrival last time I got here

Going to hit the night clubs full on tonight and tomorrow (if my dates don't go well) and report back. Am very interested to find out how the nightlife is compared to summer (when it was practically non-existent).

@ohionukes - I think your Kiev experience is pretty much in line with what most of us found this summer. One thing I noticed just getting back is how cheap this place is at almost 13 to 1 Hryvnia to USD. Lot of patriotism and elections going on now + the fear of Russia shutting off the gas keeping people busy but also uneasy I guess.

If they turn off the gas I can warm some of these bitches up for sure though

Post: #258

(10-10-2014 04:16 AM)Akula Wrote:  Going to hit the night clubs full on tonight and tomorrow (if my dates don't go well) and report back. Am very interested to find out how the nightlife is compared to summer

Dali Park seems closed for the winter (it's not even open air...). Too bad because, although it was very expensive and the music was insanely loud at the bars, it's still the best club with the best looking girls and best atmosphere I've seen in Kiev...

Close to Dali Park I see always a lot of people at "Zilione" (green) Theater on foursquare. It might be worth to check it.

Ladies night Wednesday night at Caribbean is also worth checking.

I went a couple of times to Deluxe but didn't like it much (especially the lighting on the dance floor that is blinding). Pretty dead on Thursday night but a few semi-pros and normal girls around.

Hearts is a new club in the center. The bouncers didn't want to let us have a look so we didn't get in

Every girl I met talks about Serebro. I've been there but it is basically a restaurant full of snobs (and hot girls). It seems more like social circle game

Indigo night club has crazy loud music, I couldn't stay inside

Famous nightclub is ok in the weekends (quite a lot of semi-pros though). It seems there is never a cover charge but there is also no coat check!

I went back to Forsage on a Thursday night and it was much worse than when we went together on a Friday. It seems men get in for 20 uah. Very bad ratio, music too loud and not enough pretty girls

I went to Ugly Coyote too with a wing. It's like rock teenagers jumping around. I got pushed so much, I didn't like it

Shooters ladies night on Wednesday night is much better than when we were there together but it's still a very small dance floor and it's full of semi-pros and old Turks. In shooters, one can do well if one moves around: go out for a smoke, go up to check the karaoke or to the bathroom or down to the bar. You meet more non-pro girls walking around than in the club.

I went to Buddha bar on a Thursday and it was dead and very expensive.

Sorry Babushka is not as bad as I initially thought. It's really packed on the weekends and the upstairs dance floor is big. It's full of low class Ukrainians guys but there are lots of easy 6-7s girls. I would go back there in a T-shirt or casual shirt to have some fun

Enjoy Kiev!

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^^^ great stuff thanks much for this helps me out quite a bit.

Re Forsage, there are still girls on Kreshatik handing out flyers for free entry but I guess it's not helping.

Decadence was dead last night as was the Arena complex after the football match (at least from what I could tell).

I'll scout some places out tonight.

Post: #260

Akula, I wonder about those Forsage and Saxon clubs which sucked during summer if now they are good, I dont see any better plan for nightlife in Wednesday-Thursday.

Post: #261

(10-12-2014 03:10 AM)diego69 Wrote:  Akula, I wonder about those Forsage and Saxon clubs which sucked during summer if now they are good, I dont see any better plan for nightlife in Wednesday-Thursday.

I'm with you - weeknights seem really slow here even now.

Did manage to get out on Friday and ended up having a great time drunk at the club again (Sorry Babushka) by myself - I guess this is the "new" norm?

Would say that while it was busier than in summer, it was still not overly crowded and pretty mediocre re gaming and the quality and quantity of girls (mostly the lower class, more simple type 5-6s, who are out to have a good time), but I still had fun. Did not really see any Sponsor-seekers or hookers at all. The place has two floors and the upstairs dance floor is where you can work it a little bit more than downstairs I'd say. If you tip the bouncers they high five you which was pretty funny and got me in a good mood right off the bat.

Among other things I had to deal with were:

- a crazed Ukrainian guy who thought I was German for some reason and kept speaking to me in German. I just responded with "ja ja alles gut das ist fantastich" etc. and had a basic conversation in broken German which was kinda funny;
- a lesbian with short hair who I opened anyway bc she had a super tight body and was right at the bar next to me. I showed her this funny Instagram photo of a dog underwater and she just went into full SJW mode like "no it's not funny, animal cruelty" or some bs like that. I just looked at her and said "no, this is funny - YOU'RE not funny" and then stopped the conversation;
- two sisters (both high 7s, two of the better looking girls there) who I approached at the bar and it started off well until they proceeded to ask me to buy them drinks (!) so I ejected immediately;
- another blonde, maybe a 7, who sort of eye-fucked me a bit so I eventually approached. Had a nice conversation, then her friend dragged her away, right before I leave I went to over to get her number and she said "oh I have a boyfriend." I started with the "oh is it serious" bit but then was just like "meh, fuck it" and went home;
- another girl with a 5 face, bad teeth but 7ish body who I quickly got tired of dealing but was ok and seemingly DTF or at least interested in me. A lot of guys came in about this time and started giving her attention so I ejected given I sized her up as not being worth the trouble and someone I would probably not call back if I got the # anyway i.e. a waste of time. If I'd known that the other girls wouldn't pan out I might have pushed that one a bit more.

So I guess I ended up doing about 5 or so approaches which is typically a light night game number for me, but frankly Sorry Babushka isn't a big place and not like some of the bigger Moscow, NYC or Vegas clubs, for example.

While I had fun, I'd say for night game it was decent but not great. Better than your typical Anglosphere place fore sure, but after 1:30 the ratios seemed skewed at 60-40 guys to girls and there were not a lot of girls over say 6.5-7 there at any point from what I could tell. If you want to troll down for the 5-6 type girls it's got potential. I just went out to have a good time, do some approaches and have fun so from that perspective it was a great night.

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There is this student party in Thursday:
http://vk.com/feromon_libido_saxon
The Sorry Babushka sounds ok but I have only been there once in Thursday and it was semi-full with only 1 dance floor open.
Coyote ugly is a nice option as well, I always enjoy there although not that easy to hook up/bang.
I met cool dude last visit which his strategy is to get numbers by day game and date them later- without doing any nightlife at all other than the dates. He says it is much better than clubs and eventually banged much more.

Post: #263

(10-12-2014 06:31 AM)Akula Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 03:10 AM)diego69 Wrote:  Akula, I wonder about those Forsage and Saxon clubs which sucked during summer if now they are good, I dont see any better plan for nightlife in Wednesday-Thursday.

I'm with you - weeknights seem really slow here even now.

Did manage to get out on Friday and ended up having a great time drunk at the club again (Sorry Babushka) by myself - I guess this is the "new" norm?

Would say that while it was busier than in summer, it was still not overly crowded and pretty mediocre re gaming and the quality and quantity of girls (mostly the lower class, more simple type 5-6s, who are out to have a good time), but I still had fun. Did not really see any Sponsor-seekers or hookers at all. The place has two floors and the upstairs dance floor is where you can work it a little bit more than downstairs I'd say. If you tip the bouncers they high five you which was pretty funny and got me in a good mood right off the bat.

Among other things I had to deal with were:

- a crazed Ukrainian guy who thought I was German for some reason and kept speaking to me in German. I just responded with "ja ja alles gut das ist fantastich" etc. and had a basic conversation in broken German which was kinda funny;
- a lesbian with short hair who I opened anyway bc she had a super tight body and was right at the bar next to me. I showed her this funny Instagram photo of a dog underwater and she just went into full SJW mode like "no it's not funny, animal cruelty" or some bs like that. I just looked at her and said "no, this is funny - YOU'RE not funny" and then stopped the conversation;
- two sisters (both high 7s, two of the better looking girls there) who I approached at the bar and it started off well until they proceeded to ask me to buy them drinks (!) so I ejected immediately;
- another blonde, maybe a 7, who sort of eye-fucked me a bit so I eventually approached. Had a nice conversation, then her friend dragged her away, right before I leave I went to over to get her number and she said "oh I have a boyfriend." I started with the "oh is it serious" bit but then was just like "meh, fuck it" and went home;
- another girl with a 5 face, bad teeth but 7ish body who I quickly got tired of dealing but was ok and seemingly DTF or at least interested in me. A lot of guys came in about this time and started giving her attention so I ejected given I sized her up as not being worth the trouble and someone I would probably not call back if I got the # anyway i.e. a waste of time. If I'd known that the other girls wouldn't pan out I might have pushed that one a bit more.

So I guess I ended up doing about 5 or so approaches which is typically a light night game number for me, but frankly Sorry Babushka isn't a big place and not like some of the bigger Moscow, NYC or Vegas clubs, for example.

While I had fun, I'd say for night game it was decent but not great. Better than your typical Anglosphere place fore sure, but after 1:30 the ratios seemed skewed at 60-40 guys to girls and there were not a lot of girls over say 6.5-7 there at any point from what I could tell. If you want to troll down for the 5-6 type girls it's got potential. I just went out to have a good time, do some approaches and have fun so from that perspective it was a great night.

@Akula, compared to where I'm at (Tier1 city on East Coast US) there are really no bad places in Kiev; and remember a Kiev 6 is still a US 7! I am surprised you are not hitting up some of the expat bars for early evening drinks as there tend to be some English groupies there and just fun people to shoot the breeze with. One place where I had a good time was Golden Gate Pub. Actually, making friends with local guys sometimes is better than unsuccessful day/night game as they can introduce you to their social circles. It is truly surprising what a couple well-timed beer mugs can bring you in terms of friendship

Post: #264

Ukraine Grannies Outprice Banks on Hryvnia Black Market:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-13...arket.html

^Interesting sidenote: Now that Ukraine has introduced capital controls, there is a booming black market for dollars and euros in Ukraine. This could be a great way to stretch your buck if you head to Ukraine. Just bring enough cash in your wallet and you can get 14.6 hryvina for your dollar on the black market. The "official" exchange rate is 12.9 hryvina per dollar.

Post: #265

(09-22-2014 10:08 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The one thing I don't like about Ukrainian girls that is unique to them is that they will go on a date even though they have no sexual interest in you. You can give a clear statement of intent that you are not looking to be friends, and then after 1-2 hours or so on a date, you get the cold shoulder when trying to escalate. Ukrainian girls I eventually bang and ones I don't show the same pre-kiss interest levels, so it's quite the guess if she will reciprocate when I do make a move. I don't understand why they would waste their time with a guy that they don't want to get intimate with soon. My dates are cheap (walk + cafe) so I don't care about the money, just the time.

(10-14-2014 07:07 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  Ukraine Grannies Outprice Banks on Hryvnia Black Market:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-13...arket.html

^Interesting sidenote: Now that Ukraine has introduced capital controls, there is a booming black market for dollars and euros in Ukraine. This could be a great way to stretch your buck if you head to Ukraine. Just bring enough cash in your wallet and you can get 14.6 hryvina for your dollar on the black market. The "official" exchange rate is 12.9 hryvina per dollar.

I also heard about that from a friend, however where exactly you can do it I don't know. As it black market it might difficult to find as a foreigner.

Post: #266

(10-14-2014 07:16 AM)diego69 Wrote:  

(09-22-2014 10:08 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The one thing I don't like about Ukrainian girls that is unique to them is that they will go on a date even though they have no sexual interest in you. You can give a clear statement of intent that you are not looking to be friends, and then after 1-2 hours or so on a date, you get the cold shoulder when trying to escalate. Ukrainian girls I eventually bang and ones I don't show the same pre-kiss interest levels, so it's quite the guess if she will reciprocate when I do make a move. I don't understand why they would waste their time with a guy that they don't want to get intimate with soon. My dates are cheap (walk + cafe) so I don't care about the money, just the time.

(10-14-2014 07:07 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  Ukraine Grannies Outprice Banks on Hryvnia Black Market:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-13...arket.html

^Interesting sidenote: Now that Ukraine has introduced capital controls, there is a booming black market for dollars and euros in Ukraine. This could be a great way to stretch your buck if you head to Ukraine. Just bring enough cash in your wallet and you can get 14.6 hryvina for your dollar on the black market. The "official" exchange rate is 12.9 hryvina per dollar.

I also heard about that from a friend, however where exactly you can do it I don't know. As it black market it might difficult to find as a foreigner.

The article mentions this website where you can find lists of people to exchange with, but I haven't looked through it enough to see if it is legit:

http://www.minfin.com.ua

^Reminder, of course, it is illegal to do this, so proceed at your own risk. There is also a high potential to get scammed or robbed, so once again, proceed at your own risk.

Another way to take advantage of the black market rate with less risk is to offer to pay for stuff in dollars/euros and see if they will offer you a better rate than the "official" rate. The article mentions that some shopkeepers are doing this and then turning around and selling the dollars/euros on the black market. Less risk but will require you to haggle with individual businesses.

Post: #267

Don't keep UAH when you leave ukraine. In Poland for instance, they will give you only half of the value for your Hryvnias...

Post: #268

(10-14-2014 07:30 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 07:16 AM)diego69 Wrote:  

(09-22-2014 10:08 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The one thing I don't like about Ukrainian girls that is unique to them is that they will go on a date even though they have no sexual interest in you. You can give a clear statement of intent that you are not looking to be friends, and then after 1-2 hours or so on a date, you get the cold shoulder when trying to escalate. Ukrainian girls I eventually bang and ones I don't show the same pre-kiss interest levels, so it's quite the guess if she will reciprocate when I do make a move. I don't understand why they would waste their time with a guy that they don't want to get intimate with soon. My dates are cheap (walk + cafe) so I don't care about the money, just the time.

(10-14-2014 07:07 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  Ukraine Grannies Outprice Banks on Hryvnia Black Market:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-13...arket.html

^Interesting sidenote: Now that Ukraine has introduced capital controls, there is a booming black market for dollars and euros in Ukraine. This could be a great way to stretch your buck if you head to Ukraine. Just bring enough cash in your wallet and you can get 14.6 hryvina for your dollar on the black market. The "official" exchange rate is 12.9 hryvina per dollar.

I also heard about that from a friend, however where exactly you can do it I don't know. As it black market it might difficult to find as a foreigner.

The article mentions this website where you can find lists of people to exchange with, but I haven't looked through it enough to see if it is legit:

http://www.minfin.com.ua

^Reminder, of course, it is illegal to do this, so proceed at your own risk. There is also a high potential to get scammed or robbed, so once again, proceed at your own risk.

Another way to take advantage of the black market rate with less risk is to offer to pay for stuff in dollars/euros and see if they will offer you a better rate than the "official" rate. The article mentions that some shopkeepers are doing this and then turning around and selling the dollars/euros on the black market. Less risk but will require you to haggle with individual businesses.

While the legality of this doesn't concern me the probability to get scammed or robbed is high, especially since these black markets are far from the nicer downtown of Khreshchatyk and Pechersk Raion. Even I who can pass for a local and who has walked up and down Kiev would not bother with this as any sizeable exchange (three thousand plus Hryvnia) would attract unwarranted attention. As another poster mentioned better to haggle with legit merchants and get preferred rates in Euro/Dollars.

Post: #269

(07-01-2014 06:44 PM)InternationalPlayboy Wrote:  I am spinning my wheels in Lviv. Girls in the nightlife are definitely interested in me, had one grab me on the dance floor to dance, many stares and smiles. But once my mouth opens and they hear English, lots of confusion ensues. Then they say they speak a little, it literally means: Hi, good, bad, basic phrases. Or they just flat out speak to me in Ukrainian.

Lots of top quality at Fashion Club though, although a bit older. A lot of solid 8's in my book. Come here if you can speak Ukrainian. They hate Russia here with a passion. Be prepared to work for it though. I came here for the cheap booze and food, so not too disappointing as I had a short flight, but I can see how someone would be if they traveled here just for the pussy.

Damn man, makes me miss Lviv. I was there this past June, and me and my brother were at fashion club all the time. You are definitely right, there were always a group or two of older girls/women (30-40), granted they were still bangable. If you don't speak Russian, you definitely will have trouble communicating. Can't wait to go back.

Post: #270

(10-02-2014 04:22 AM)internations Wrote:  Girls in Odessa:



This is how all girls in the world should be: sweet, feminine, stylish

Really liked the picture.. These are the ones I took at "Fashion Club", in downtown Lviv, Ukraine, June 2014.

Post: #271

Should one only limit travel to western Ukraine now? would it be ill advised to go to Kharkov?

Post: #272

(11-27-2014 01:03 PM)robreke Wrote:  Should one only limit travel to western Ukraine now? would it be ill advised to go to Kharkov?

IIRC, a poster, William Windsor, was in Kharkov. He was having a good time IIRC.

Post: #273

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Post: #274

Life after the revolution for the country's Ladies of the night!

http://www.vocativ.com/video/underworld/...ostitutes/

Post: #275

An update on exchanging money in Ukraine, if you try to get dollars from an exchange office, none of them will give them to you, unless you have a certificate showing you got money officially through an exchange office. If you might want to exchange your money back when you leave Ukraine, be sure to ask for this certificate, I don't think the normal receipt will suffice.

As for rates, if I use my ATM card, I get right around 15 UAH per dollar, minus a small transaction fee my bank charges me. If I use a credit card for a specific a purchase, I get this same rate minus a fee of around 3%, so this is my worst option.

If I use an exchange office, I can get 15.5 UAH per dollar, with no extra fees.

Today, a local hooked me up with a black market broker where I got 16.3 UAH per dollar. I suppose as long as the exchanges won't freely exchange dollars, there will be a black market. The broker only wanted to do largish transactions, $400 or more. I suppose there is risk involved with this approach but the rate is considerably better. So if you come to Ukraine, I recommend bringing a wad of cash, within the legal limit. This time I entered Ukraine, the customs agent in the airport asked me how much cash I had on me.

Don't forget to ask your landlord if he/she wants your hard currency, you'll be doing them a small favor and getting a good rate.