Post: #1

First and foremost i just want to warn you that this post may be rather long but this is my first post as a member of this community and i feel that it's only right that I introduce myself .

I know the rules here are rather strict and I have read all of the forum rules before posting however If I do make any infringements please alert me to them and i'll edit them immediately .

Now before a begin , I want to thank members of this forum as I have been reading countless threads on this forum for a while and you have gave me priceless experience/techniques that I probably would have never learned solo .

That being said , let me first tell you the life changes I have made after finally accepting the red pill , please feel free to give me advice on any of these :

Life changes made :

1. I have being reading and rereading the following books thoroughly : Bang , Day Bang , 48 Laws of Power

2. I have completely changed my diet . It now only consists of :
Peanut butter , Oats , Brown Rice , Tuna , Eggs , Spinach and Red Kidney Beans . Unfortunately as a student , financially times are extremely hard so I have been unable to add Whey Protein Powder to my diet .

3. Again due to my finances , I have being unable to join a gym , however I have weights ( 10 KG ) and I have been using them and my own body weight to exercise . I also run once per week . ( On Sundays )

4. I cut my hair . Now this may seem banal to you but let me bring some context to this . Ever since I was 14 , I always thought my hair was part of my success with girls . I never cut it as i thought it made me look bad . Me cutting my hair meant two things to me :

- A symbol of my change in lifestyle , of turning over a new leaf in my life and starting fresh . If I can be successful with girls ( and other aspects of life ) whilst knowing that I don't even look my best , this will increase my confidence ten-fold .

- To give me more motivation to work out . I believe that me being skinny and bald makes me unattractive , so it will give me incentive to work out harder .

5. I started my 100 approaches challenge .

These are the lifestyle changes I have made . Please feel free to critique . I am open and willing to try all suggestions to better myself as a young man .

Let me now move on to the second part of my post , I require some expert advice on my daygame.

Daygame analysis

I finally got my first number recently on my sixth approach . This was a big deal for me , not because of the girl but because , I studied very hard to improve my game and so any progress is a huge achievement .

However I would like to show you how the conversation went down and allow you to give me advice on how to improve . I have also self analysed myself in brackets but your analysis is priceless to me :

M - Excuse me , Where do you get that bag? ( I had to repeat myself three times and actually touch her to get her attention , i’ll need to work on that )
F - I don’t know i got it as a present ,

M - I’ve been looking for one similar to that for my sister but with a leopard print does it have a logo or something ?

F *Shows me logo*

M - Does it have a lot of pockets my sister fits a million things in her bag

F - Yeah i guess

My ramble is dying here so I decided to switch to GALNUC (maybe i should have waited but i literally ran out of gas early so i decided to risk it )

M - By the way are you half german?

F - She laughs and looks a bit offended, says something like “why would you think that “

M - I used to live in Germany when I did dance competitions and your face has a German bone structure , don’t be offended German girls look nice * with a cocky smile *

She laughs and looks a bit embarrassed, At this point her phone rings and she actually puts it in silent .. I know im in

M -How old are you ?
F - 21
M - Me too, so what do you do around here work ? uni ?
F - I just left work *points to the health care center*
M - Wow this early? you must have started around 7 in the morning right?
F - 6 am
M - That’s crazy i remember when i worked in London.. (More ramble about how long my journey to work was , I manage to make her laugh a few times )
M - So where do you usually hang out ?
F - I don’t go out much these days ..
M - Really ? Your 21 what’s going on ? You’ll regret this when your 35 ..
At this point im lightly teasing her about her lack of going out, ask her questions about what club she used to go to etc etc
M - You seem kinda cool , give me your number we’ll hang out sometime
F - My boyfriend will go mental
At this point I’m going purely of instinct as i haven’t really prepared any responses to a BF shit test
M - Why ? you’re not doing anything wrong , we’re just going to get to know each other
She says something about how she’s not allowed and at this point i get a flash of inspiration and say :
M - You deserve to be with someone who trusts you whilst touching her forearm and smiling
She laughs and says do you want to see my blocked list * shows me her blocked list * i make a couple jokes about how long it is *
I tell her “ he doesn’t have to know “
She laughs says he checks through her phone and that he might call
I tell her ill pretend I’m a new employee at her work place
I attempt to number close again ( I was a little too direct/aggressive here , next time i’ll number close by something something like “ it’ll will be okay, he won’t know , whip out my phone and say “ Go ahead “
She cedes
I eject by telling her i’ve got some shopping to do (I probably should have given her a hug to show my intentions even more)

As you can see I've attempted to analyse myself but as a game beginner I need points of view from more experienced members .


Also one last question :

Now I texted this girl the same day ( 3 hours later ) This is how the convo went :

M - hey natalie is creation , what's up ?
F - Hey you okay give me a text tomorrow I'm with my boyF x

No reply from me . The next day i text her :

M - you clear from the gestapo ?

No reply from her .

Now I know you should never insult the boyfriend as doing so insults her choices and it will always backfire , but in this situation I was making a joke about how possessive her boyfriend is and attempting to plant a seed in her mind that makes him seem beta . ( I learned this from Scorpion )

Was this too aggressive ? Should i have played it safer ?

Again I apologize for the long post . But it's my first post on in this community and I had many questions . Thank you for reading all this .

Post: #2

Sorry guys one more question I forgot to add :

As I was daygaming I opened this girl who goes to my uni and she straight up ignored me . She had her headphones in so I touched her to get her attention and she pulled her hand away and just continued walking . Later on she walked by me again and she kinda glanced with the side of her eyes to see if I was looking at her ass ( Which I was )

My question is , I'm sure to see this girl again as she goes to the same uni as me , when we cross paths , how do I act ?

- Do I ignore her ?
- Do i look at her and smirk ? Even reopen her as she's not expecting it ?

Thanks guys

Post: #3

(11-28-2014 04:47 PM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  M - By the way are you half german?

F - She laughs and looks a bit offended, says something like “why would you think that “

M - I used to live in Germany when I did dance competitions and your face has a German bone structure , don’t be offended German girls look nice * with a cocky smile *

She laughs and looks a bit embarrassed, At this point her phone rings and she actually puts it in silent .. I know im in

M -How old are you ?
F - 21
M - Me too, so what do you do around here work ? uni ?
F - I just left work *points to the health care center*
M - Wow this early? you must have started around 7 in the morning right?
F - 6 am
M - That’s crazy i remember when i worked in London.. (More ramble about how long my journey to work was , I manage to make her laugh a few times )
M - So where do you usually hang out ?
F - I don’t go out much these days ..
M - Really? We're going to go to blah, blah, blah.

M - Really ? Your 21 what’s going on ? You’ll regret this when your 35 ..
At this point im lightly teasing her about her lack of going out, ask her questions about what club she used to go to etc etc
M - You seem kinda cool , give me your number we’ll hang out sometime
F - My boyfriend will go mental
M - It's ok, there are good psychiatrists who can help.

At this point I’m going purely of instinct as i haven’t really prepared any responses to a BF shit test

M - Why ? you’re not doing anything wrong , we’re just going to get to know each other

I don't think this is a great response, she knows she's doing something wrong. You trying to convince her she's not will cast you in a light that you don't want.

She says something about how she’s not allowed and at this point i get a flash of inspiration and say :
M - You deserve to be with someone who trusts you whilst touching her forearm and smiling
She laughs and says do you want to see my blocked list * shows me her blocked list * i make a couple jokes about how long it is *
I tell her “ he doesn’t have to know “
She laughs says he checks through her phone and that he might call
I tell her ill pretend I’m a new employee at her work place
I attempt to number close again ( I was a little too direct/aggressive here , next time i’ll number close by something something like “ it’ll will be okay, he won’t know , whip out my phone and say “ Go ahead “
She cedes
I eject by telling her i’ve got some shopping to do (I probably should have given her a hug to show my intentions even more)

As you can see I've attempted to analyse myself but as a game beginner I need points of view from more experienced members .


Also one last question :

Now I texted this girl the same day ( 3 hours later ) This is how the convo went :

I would've waited a couple days

M - hey natalie is creation , what's up ?
F - Hey you okay give me a text tomorrow I'm with my boyF x

No reply from me . The next day i text her :

M - you clear from the gestapo ?

No reply from her .

Now I know you should never insult the boyfriend as doing so insults her choices and it will always backfire , but in this situation I was making a joke about how possessive her boyfriend is and attempting to plant a seed in her mind that makes him seem beta . ( I learned this from Scorpion )

You were insulting her boyfriend

Was this too aggressive ? Should i have played it safer ?

Again I apologize for the long post . But it's my first post on in this community and I had many questions . Thank you for reading all this .

I made a couple alternative suggestions, but it's really Monday afternoon quarterbacking on my part. It's harder to know the right thing to say when you're in the moment.

Way to keep up the convo going though. If a girl is still into her boyfriend or you don't have higher value than him there isn't a lot of success you can expect.

You're probably on her blocked list now, but at least you got that far.

Post: #4

(11-28-2014 05:36 PM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  Sorry guys one more question I forgot to add :

As I was daygaming I opened this girl who goes to my uni and she straight up ignored me . She had her headphones in so I touched her to get her attention and she pulled her hand away and just continued walking . Later on she walked by me again and she kinda glanced with the side of her eyes to see if I was looking at her ass ( Which I was )

My question is , I'm sure to see this girl again as she goes to the same uni as me , when we cross paths , how do I act ?

- Do I ignore her ?
- Do i look at her and smirk ? Even reopen her as she's not expecting it ?

Thanks guys

Look, smirk, re-open. She's expecting it and may be more open to it the next time.

Post: #5

@Onto

Thanks for the advice and encouragement; i do have a couple questions though:

“ F - I don’t go out much these days ..
" M - Really? We're going to go to blah, blah, blah. “

I have no friends (literally) I recently moved here from Paris and I’m having a hard time meeting people who I actually can go out with . On top of that my finances are virtually non-existent (I have no student loans as im considered an EU student so I’m that poor right now ) , so dating isn't really a viable option .

I’m attempting to run no date game right now . It’s very hard but I’m determined to improve . Could you possibly share some insight on to how to achieve that goal ? There’s a thread on here about banging with no date that I've been reading thoroughly but the more info I can get the better .

F - My boyfriend will go mental
M - Why ? you’re not doing anything wrong , we’re just going to get to know each other

" I don't think this is a great response, she knows she's doing something wrong. You trying to convince her she's not will cast you in a light that you don't want. "

Again, thanks for the insight, could you possible share a general phrase or frame that will help me pass this test ? Your “psychiatrists can help “ is very witty and i’ll definitely be adding to my repertoire , but sometimes this same test gets given in different forms , such as “ my boyfriend doesn't allow me to meet with boys “ or “ He won’t trust me anymore “ is there some sort of general answer that can be given ? Or is it just a exercise in quick thinking and wit?

This test has been given to me in 3 of my 6 approaches so far , i have a feeling i’ll be running into it often .

M - " you clear from the gestapo ? "

You were insulting her boyfriend

Okay, lesson learnt , my text game should basically be delivered as if the BF doesn’t even exist . Its disappointing as im sure if I was able to deliver that line in person , with my delivery and my facial expression I’m sure I could have gotten her to laugh at that .

I guess that’s the tricky bit in text game . You have to be funny to build a connection but also know where the line is. You can salvage a bad joke in person . Not in text .

Look, smirk, re-open. She's expecting it and may be more open to it the next time.

Will do. It's funny the old me would have probably been ashamed and ignored her , but i'm actually looking forward to reopening if I get the opportunity

Post: #6

Text book number pull, nicely done.

The follow up was fine, but you seem pressed in that you actually messaged her the next day. Like clockwork.

Insulting the boy friend is neither here nor there. Contacting her is the actual insult.

Ping her again, observational humor, cold read, or reference to the first meet.

Most importantly, get back out there. The number means little.

You could have gone further with the initial pull though, maybe an instadate.

WIA

Post: #7

@ WIA

Thanks for the insight and encouragement . I guess I did seem a bit too needy by contacting the next day liked she asked too . I'll wait a week and send her a restart such as " How's work ? "

" Cold read "? Could you explain what that means ? Observational humor is making a comment on an event that's happening right ? I'm not too good at understanding the terms yet .

Yep , I already knew from the moment I got the number that It meant little , I've been studying the data sheets gamers have been leaving here on this forum and the number:bang ratio is always relatively low . For me it was more of the milestone as I had been studying very hard it felt great to actually pull it off .

I'm not too comfortable with instadating as again , my finances don't allow it ( For now at least ) . That's why i'm focusing on day game as I don't have to money to spend on coffees and drinks or the entrance fees for night game . I guess my no date game is going to have to improve significantly .

Thanks for the insight WIA .

Post: #8

1) you look German is a cold read. Observation about her that she will likely respond to

2) the instadate can be a walk.

Tell her,
"Walk me to the store so some other girl doesn't snatch me up. Wait, are you strong? Lemme feel your muscle"

Role reversal, role play, cheekiness, kino, playfulness in 20 or so words.


The world is about to open up for you.

WIA

Post: #9

(11-28-2014 06:29 PM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  @Onto

Thanks for the advice and encouragement; i do have a couple questions though:

“ F - I don’t go out much these days ..
" M - Really? We're going to go to blah, blah, blah. “

I have no friends (literally) I recently moved here from Paris and I’m having a hard time meeting people who I actually can go out with . On top of that my finances are virtually non-existent (I have no student loans as im considered an EU student so I’m that poor right now ) , so dating isn't really a viable option .

When I said, "M - Really? We're going to go to blah, blah, blah. "

The "We're" is you and her and you're directing her in an enthusiastic manner about something the two of you are going to do together.

I understand what it's like to not have money. You will need to start taking an inventory of free events in your area. Art walks and openings (usually have free food and drinks), live music (seldom has free food and drinks), wine tastings at liquor stores, festivals, beer tastings, theatre, etc.

Usually there are many free to very low cost events no matter where you live. Often subsidized by the city, university or some organization/corporation. Just look in the paper or some other publication that's given out for free at coffee shops and grocery stores.

Take note of amazing views, parks, and architecture where you live and tell her that you have something amazing to show her that not many know about. It's a surprise and kind of a secret few are aware off. Girls think they love mystery and adventure so you just need to sell it to them.

Post: #10

@ WIA @Onto

Thanks guys for your golden advice , it's been noted and will be applied .

Post: #11

my personal take..

the 1st girl seemed like she actually had a boyfriend. if she told me she's taken I'd persist a little more like you but after 1 or 2 attempts I'd tell her something like 'if you want to get rid of me it's fine you can tell straight away i won't be offended. and if you're really taken then i hope you're flattered i chat you up to meet you, you're just my type, seems like me and your bf have a good taste haha' and I'd leave with smile on my face.

life is too short to waste time on taken girls. it was short random chit chat with no rapport between you both. girls have few interactions like that during their day. there is a small percentage of success in that situation. but of course you can always try some things just for practice but you better not take it personally then.

the 2nd girl was just weirded out by your approach. when she glanced at you later she was afraid you would bother her again. leave her alone by now. you can change the way she views you when sees other girls like your company.

Post: #12

@ Thanks for the reply XXL

" if you want to get rid of me it's fine you can tell straight away i won't be offended. "

Isn't that a form of disqualification ?

" life is too short to waste time on taken girls. it was short random chit chat with no rapport between you both. girls have few interactions like that during their day. there is a small percentage of success in that situation. but of course you can always try some things just for practice but you better not take it personally then. "

Yep , i'm not taking it personally , I don't suffer from the scarcity complex now at all ( I worked very hard on that )
I'll send a restart text in a week but other than that my time will be spent on improving myself as a man and my studies .

Thanks for the reply XXL , i'm not quite sure how to proceed on the second girl after those conflicting pieces of advice now , i'll probably just smirk at her just to show her that my ego wasn't bruised and reopen in a couple weeks .

Post: #13

If you're early 20s and at Uni, you should work on building a social circle, or 'fitting in'(Patrick Bateman Game) to existing social circles. Obviously everyone should be socially pro-active, or find a balance of social activity that fits in to their lifestyle.

This won't happen overnight, and will take time, but will reap rewards and success to build upon.

There must be activities and groups you could try out at your university. This will be a good way to build social confidence, and the ability to smoothly slip in to a Gaming 'state'/mode. Newbies are often advised to be sociable and have small conversations with many people(people you encounter through the day etc.) .

Many lizards are drawn to guys with solid social status.

Post: #14

the point of phrase that she can leave if she wants is to take the pressure off. it's for me and for her. for me to save time cause i hate trying when there's no chance. and it's for her to relax cause she now knows she can be real with me and let me know what's up with her. often times girls are just polite and more or less consciously lead guys on.

it's the same as saying 'am i interrupting you with something important? if that's the case then just tell me straight up it's fine i understand I'll leave and maybe we'll meet each other somewhere else'. it tells girls that you're normal. it kills the potential awkwardness. and guess what.. girls usually say 'no no it's ok..' and I'm in.

to me there's nothing worse than forcing the situation in daytime where people are not quite ready for socializing.

i guess you can call it disqualifiying but most importantly it's more about being smart human being who wants to spend time with someone who actually wants to interact back.

with that 2nd girl I'd use social proof. i think only presence of other girls with you can change her opinion about you.

but still I'd advise to approach it like it's a puzzle or a riddle etc. that's how i view 'maybe/no' girls.

Post: #15

@ XXL

I understand , I guess it's a technique for more experienced daygamers who can effectively gauge how interested the girl is . For newbies like me , attempting a phrase like that could potentially lead to her saying " Well actually I am in the middle of somethings , sorry " , thus helping her disqualify me , whereas if I had kept on rambling and dropping bait , she might have bitten .

I can see it working for other people to effectively give the girl an ultimatum as what your subconsciously saying is " Tell me if your interested or not as I don't waste time talking to people who aren't willing to listen But again , for newbies like me , we need all the experience in rambling we can get , and there's nothing more satisfying to a new day gamer than a girl biting on a bait .

Post: #16

@ Lizard King

Thanks for the advice

Post: #17

(11-29-2014 10:51 AM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  @ XXL

I understand , I guess it's a technique for more experienced daygamers who can effectively gauge how interested the girl is . For newbies like me , attempting a phrase like that could potentially lead to her saying " Well actually I am in the middle of somethings , sorry " , thus helping her disqualify me , whereas if I had kept on rambling and dropping bait , she might have bitten .

No. It's the so called advanced guys who can skip empathizing like that because their social intuition is sharp enough that they can sense if a girl is bothered by their approach or not.

Throwing such statements of empathy is better for newbies who may be too stuck inside their heads to notice girls getting uncomfortable or for those who are stressed in high pressure social situations like cold approach.

In fact blithely rambling about random stuff without empathizing with girl's concerns or addressing the potential awkwardness is what can cause failure. Believe me, when you use more empathy upon your approach you will barely ever get rejected straight away, it's way more effective than by blindly spitting your game at them from the get go. Be slower, more laid back, more casual and narrate a lot what you're feeling in the moment

- hmm what just happened? one moment i'm walking down the street and now i'm talking to beautiful stranger i enjoy talking to, today is a good day [she's probably feeling same thing so you can connect a bit with her based on sharing the same feelings in the moment]
- i was raised by old school grandma so if i do something over the top or cross your personal line just tell me to back the hell up, it's fine [that basically disarms potential incoming fuck up that's very likely to happen, you prepare her for your messy game]
- excuse me if i bother you if you're too busy to talk just let me know.. yeah.. blablablabla [it lets girls know that you understand the situation you create by approaching them in a random circumstances]
- i'm sorry if it doesn't make sense what i'm talking about now, i literally woke up 15 minutes ago after crazy party last night and i'm suffering from huge hangover. that's why i'm bit off. but i'm listening to you so don't worry [you can say it if you feel off or totally messed up]
- you might already know that but i'm feeling a bit nervous right now cause i'm getting to like you so i think that sooner or later there will be that weird moment where i will have nothing to say [if you're getting nervous or anxious as the interaction progresses. it also disarms running out of things to say that might happen later]

When you say such things and you mean it girls think "oh shit he's actually normal guy, finally, thank god..". No joke. Really study those examples, break them down, notice the patterns, see "why" they're good, create your own.

(11-29-2014 10:51 AM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  I can see it working for other people to effectively give the girl an ultimatum as what your subconsciously saying is " Tell me if your interested or not as I don't waste time talking to people who aren't willing to listen But again , for newbies like me , we need all the experience in rambling we can get , and there's nothing more satisfying to a new day gamer than a girl biting on a bait .

It has nothing to do with ultimatum. I don't say stuff like that to pressure a girl to give me yes or no. I don't expect her to tell me that she wants to talk or not. Those things i mentioned simply give them more space. It allows them to be more open with me and honest. It makes the interaction much more comfortable. And what do girls do when they get uncomfortable? They run away from it.

It's similar to when you tell some foreign tourist girl "what are the things you absolutely hate about my country? you've been here quite some time already, come on, tell me straight up, i won't be bothered, i want to know what you think, for real, no bullshit, it's gonna be fun actually..". What it does it gives the girl PERMISSION to freely express what she has in mind already about certain topic so a girl relaxes and becomes "real" with you and her fake "polite" front disappears.

It's the same with "hey you know what? if you can't talk to me it's ok i understand just tell me what is up i don't want you to talk to me out of fake politeness, be real with me, it's fine, i can handle it, no problem".

And if you want to practice rambling then saying that gives you MUCH higher chance that the girl will stay and talk to you.

Good luck

Post: #18

@ Gotcha , thanks man

Post: #19

I think it was fine, to be honest it's hard to tell without seeing the body language and dynamic between you and the girl. You don't have to eject as soon as you get the number, it's good to ramble on afterwards showing no sexual intent at all, it's a contrast to you just getting her number. WIA has some good tips but if you're starting off in daygame I'd recommend not doing any instadates.

Another point - Lizard King is right. You should be fucking uni sluts.

Post: #20

If you're in your early 20's I would say drop the day-game and just concentrate more on night-game. The ROI will be much greater as at least in Uni bars/clubs majority of the girls are open to approaches and are more likely to be single, day-game is a crapshoot. Save that for your 30's, ala, Giovanni style.

Post: #21

Im going to get back into night game as soon as I get my dancing back up to standard .

You see last year before I was game aware , i used to roll with a crew full of dancers and I would get a decent amount of bangs just from impressing people in the club . ( Doing battles and all that )

Girls would open me in the club .

When I slumped into a mini depression period after I got dumped by my last LTR , I stopped practising . I've restarted practising hard though .

But honestly I don't think I'll ever give up daygame though . I'm starting to get decent at it . I like the feeling of going up to a women I like and talking to her . I've never been able to do that my entire life. It's been an eye opening process .

Post: #22

(12-01-2014 11:36 PM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  Im going to get back into night game as soon as I get my dancing back up to standard .

You see last year before I was game aware , i used to roll with a crew full of dancers and I would get a decent amount of bangs just from impressing people in the club . ( Doing battles and all that )

Girls would open me in the club .

When I slumped into a mini depression period after I got dumped by my last LTR , I stopped practising . I've restarted practising hard though .

But honestly I don't think I'll ever give up daygame though . I'm starting to get decent at it . I like the feeling of going up to a women I like and talking to her . I've never been able to do that my entire life. It's been an eye opening process .

You can do both but you'll get exhausted