Post: #1

I recently got into a totally unexpected LTR with a pretty fly girl, my first serious LTR since really getting into game.

I wanted to post this as a gentle reminder of how not to blow it, because I almost did.

It took me a while to get with this chick. I had to run long game, something I haven't done in a while. I was just sick of always taking easy pussy and decided to actually put in some work. She held out in a way that gives me some hope for American women. I broke through though, and it was worth it.

Anyway, not the moral of the story.

She ended up bringing out some of my best game.

I had to sit down and figure her out. I had to experiment a bit to find the right balance between soft and hard.

How hard did I have to tease and neg her to bring out the tingles? Where was the line at? What was the right contrast? Where could I slip in some soft emotional hamster crack?

It took me over a month. Yes, I was banging other girls in the meantime(one she actually called me out on). Whoops.

Then, I finally got there. My game was a well oiled machine.

We met up at the bar and everything changed. She was all over me, tugging at my unzipped coat in the most feminine way.

Usually we stayed until bar close and then bounced back to her place, but that night she surprised me and asked if I wanted to bounce back to her place well before bar close.

I knew it was on, and we stayed up into the wee hours of the morning proving that it was real.

That's when it changed for me, where I started to stray, and where I suspect it starts to stray for most new to intermediate players.

When I left her house the relationship vibe had set in. Dates had been planned, things had been agreed upon, etc. I was still drunk.

Nonetheless, I started to relax.

I went on autopilot, and completely threw all my previous tactics out the window. Everything I spent all that time figuring out was forgotten about.

For a couple hours, a quick moment in time.

A smart player would have never texted her the next day. I realized that after I sent the text, so after a couple witty replies I canned it and ignored her.

When I decided to reengage I did so with all that previous knowledge in the back of my mind. No more relaxing

Had I not caught myself this would have gone up in flames, no LTR.

Like I said, this is where I think most guys lose it.

Maybe this is more for the newbs, but the moment you let your guard down is when you will inevitably fuck something up. When you get comfortable you slip.

Moral of the story?

Don't forget the game that got you the girl.

The same game that got her panties wet the first time is the same game that will get them wet the second time.

You can't afford to relax.

Keep in mind I'm talking about quality women.

I get damaged broads who fall for me so hard sometimes that I just kick my feet up and let it run. In those cases who cares what the fuck you do.

What I'm saying is that when you find an extra fly girl, and for the first time in your young player life you put in some hard work to get her, don't ever forget that.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Don't ever forget that game, bottle it up and save it. Keep using it on her and in the future use it on girls like her.

That's all I got.

My girl is out of town for the holiday. I'm about to go visit another broad from across the train tracks. I want to give monogamy a shot, just not tonight.

A player never sleeps.

Post: #2

Isn't it tiring to have to put up a front, so to speak, all the time though?

Post: #3

Solid post General Mayhem. You were lucky enough to catch yourself with what it sounds like a quality girl.

I found myself in a similar situation not so long ago. Even though she was damaged goods, I let the relationship vibe get the best of me. After it was all over and done with, and me analyzing what I did wrong, and how there were some inevitable factors that wouldnt have changed otherwise, I came to a simple conclusion. As the title of this thread goes " dont forget the game that got you the girl" is the bottom line.

The high valued alpha male with options that got it done, is the man she was attracted to. What ever kind of man she perceived you to be until you got the lay is the game she was most susceptible to. Not the beta bitch boy who develops bad oneitis and turns the switch on for beta behavior.

Yet I will say this, every successful player has a story like this, where they let their guard down and payed for it. I feel like the only real way to truly grasp this is to actually experience failure first hand and ultimately improve your game. Those horrible feelings of disappointment, confusion, betrayal, and overall feeling of being beat need to be encoded in your brain.

Anyone can read the forum and hear stories, but if they have never experienced it, they dont know what its like to get stomped on. I am personally guilty of this. The end all result is gained knowledge and experience that will be applied the next time I find myself in such a situation.

(12-23-2014 03:57 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  Isn't it tiring to have to put up a front, so to speak, all the time though?

How true. However, I think it is necessary practice that everyone should go through. Not to mention, it feels good to know you have the power to take a sexy girl off the market for an extended period of time if you desire to. Its exercising that power that confirms your level of game and is definitely an ego stroke. When you get bored, you move on, lets hope you arent emotionally attached though, and that requires practice.

Post: #4

I just think the whole "learning from failure" or "success through failure" argument is a huge pile of bs. Personally all I want to do (naturally) is forget everything about a blown opp./interaction. Have been better off by simply focusing on lessons from successes, partly because its easier to remember and savor

Post: #5

I've said it before and I'll say it again - running LTR game is a pain in the balls. Once you start acting comfortable and natural then the girl dries up. I dated a girl earlier this year for about 6 months. The first 4 months or so I ran game and purposely acted aloof, busy, and less interested than I actually was. I would neg her, make sure she was always doing more for me than I was for her, and generally not reciprocating everything she was doing. She ate it up and was falling for me. After about 4 months I really caught some feelings and decided to be more "myself" and actually act how I wanted to and be that sweet genuine guy - try to see her more often, be more accommodating, and cater to her concerns about me and our relationship. It blew up in my face and she gradually faded away until she went dark.

The relationship only works if you give less of a shit about her than she does for you. Remember that. Aways remember that.

Post: #6

(12-23-2014 11:24 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again - running LTR game is a pain in the balls. Once you start acting comfortable and natural then the girl dries up. I dated a girl earlier this year for about 6 months. The first 4 months or so I ran game and purposely acted aloof, busy, and less interested than I actually was. I would neg her, make sure she was always doing more for me than I was for her, and generally not reciprocating everything she was doing. She ate it up and was falling for me. After about 4 months I really caught some feelings and decided to be more "myself" and actually act how I wanted to and be that sweet genuine guy - try to see her more often, be more accommodating, and cater to her concerns about me and our relationship. It blew up in my face and she gradually faded away until she went dark.

The relationship only works if you give less of a shit about her than she does for you. Remember that. Aways remember that.

I've had the same experience with relationships. On the subject of foreign women....does the same apply?

I've heard "good man game" works better with foreign women better. ie, just being yourself.

Or, in the experience of those here....must you also run the "aloof , I care less than you care" game always even on foreign chicks or they'll dry up to?

I guess I'm wondering if it's a biological thing or a 'western woman' thing.

Post: #7

Moral of the story wearing a clown suit until you literally become a clown blows.

Post: #8

(12-23-2014 03:57 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  Isn't it tiring to have to put up a front, so to speak, all the time though?

I do not think this is the right mindset.

It's important to realize that the game is already rigged against us, and if we want anything out of it, expect to put in work and expect a lot of BS.

That, and you have to earn the pleasures you want with women. You have to earn the right to be yourself.

In what world can a man just relax, "be himself", not put in any work and expect to have a beautiful and pleasant woman? Our ancestors might have had more domestic wives, but that's because they were the sole breadwinners and they had to deal with a world a lot tougher and dangerous than today. Violence was more common, society had a clear hierarchy, you pissed off the wrong man and you are dead, diseases were abundant and life expectancy was low, and there's military draft to fight wars you don't give a fuck about. The men who couldn't provide a stable home back at the times were just as miserable as the beta today.

In tribal societies young men need to pass rites of manhood before they can be considered true men, and this can easily get you killed.

The whole "I should just be myself and get a decent girl" is very detrimental to red-pill thinking and it's exactly the kind of hamsterization you find in hot girls. They just need to show up and people worship the ground they walk on. Are you a 20 years young (white) female, 8-9 in looks with a decent sense of style and an acceptable IQ? No? Then stop expecting things to be handed over to you on a silver plate.

Women can be wonderful creatures to be around but in order to earn that pleasant company you first have to become the man who deserves it. If you are bad at math, do you say "I should just keep being bad at math and people should give me a job at MIT/NASA"?

Nowadays we no longer live in the physically dangerous world of old, so in order to keeps the power balance we have to develop game because that's what women look for in a man today.

Once you have put in the hard work by going through hell and back, then yes you deserve the wonderful women or more importantly you automatically weed out all the un-pleasant ones. And game becomes second-nature to you, you don't even realize you are running it. Suddenly you "be yourself" and pussies rain on you from the golden sky. Look at top tier athletes. Do you ask Micheal Jordan "isn't it tiring to always have to make such a great throw?"

Then you can sleep with your game on.

Post: #9

I don't think you should even have to put up a front, put on a suit, or catch yourself.

This should all be from inner-game, knowing your self worth, the push-pull/neg thing should just be you after awhile.

All these things ingrained into you won't be a front...it's called the learning experience. Everything we learn on here should be programmed into your auto-pilot that way it's automatic.

I notice I STILL act the same way I did on Day 1 with a main HB of mine and I get the same results, sex when I want it, her calling me daddy, her getting wet at things I say and do.

It's not clown game anymore, I've always been the cocky/sarcastic/asshole guy my entire life. (of course RVF and the gents here help bring it to another level). I focused entirely on myself and watching what I do and learning from mistakes (a never ending process). Sometimes I can't believe the things that come out of my mouth without even thinking.

The only thing I find myself doing is keeping my feelings in check. I haven't put pussy on the pedestal in a long time, in the recent month, my games took a blow to the ego, but I always remind myself of where I'm at.

LTR game does NOT have to be a pain in the ass if you aren't one to get comfortable, what also helps is supplemental side pussy, it's always been my view that a man needs to hunt, no matter if in a LTR, Marriage, or single.

Post: #10

(12-23-2014 12:19 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 03:57 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  Isn't it tiring to have to put up a front, so to speak, all the time though?

I do not think this is the right mindset.

Agreed.

You don't ask the guy with a ripped physique, "Isn't it tiring going to the gym on the regular and preparing/seeking out healthy meals?"

He wanted it, he's willing to do what it takes to get it and that BECOMES his modus operandi and seems totally normal. Yes, it's sacrifice and hard work initially, but the more you do it, the less it's work and more it's who you are...which was the goal in the first place, right? To be who you want and not who you are (getting laid/solid LTR versus not getting laid/non-solid LTR)?

Post: #11

My thing is don't be in an LTR where you feel you need to put in a bunch of work into clowning. Bang them and leave them. It won't last.

Not sure what country you are in.

If I was in an LTR I would honestly test them by dropping some much weaker or relaxed game for a few weeks or months and see how they respond. If they respond negatively drop them. They aren't ride or die bitches. They are just a bitch like any other in that case.

Shit happens in life you can't always be at your best game. You don't want a life partner that is a fucking entertainment leech. Bang and drop in that case.

Post: #12

Guys put their guard down and get to comfortable in a relationship not thinking things through, important to not let that happen.

Post: #13

(12-23-2014 03:57 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  Isn't it tiring to have to put up a front, so to speak, all the time though?

If you want to stay fit, you have to keep eating right and working out.

WIA

Post: #14

I think you miss the point Agreddor about this front thing. The whole point of this game is to know how to become attractive and stay that way. In other words it's about becoming that "front" and just being it 24/7. Not turning it on and off.

It's not even front per se it's just set of certain behaviors that are new to those of us who have never been that way before. That's the reason some of us get soft and weak after we get the girl. We tend to go back to our chode selves that we used to be. It's unacceptable.

The only way to be is to stay sharp and listen to our instinct/gut instead of trying to be good well mannered boys.

Post: #15

(12-23-2014 11:17 AM)gusfring Wrote:  I just think the whole "learning from failure" or "success through failure" argument is a huge pile of bs. Personally all I want to do (naturally) is forget everything about a blown opp./interaction. Have been better off by simply focusing on lessons from successes, partly because its easier to remember and savor

Dont take this the wrong way but there is a big gap between your statement and reality.

Im guessing everything you do in life is a success, and everything else that you fail at doesnt have lessons to be learned from in your eyes? That might be the most counter-productive approach to life I have yet hear.

It would be nice to only look back on your successes in life and learn from that, but any successful person in this world whether its in game or business or sports will tell you he got to that point by making mistakes and learning from them.

" I have failed over and over and over again in my life and that is why I succeed"
-Michael Jordan

Post: #16

There are a lot of great points made here. I haven't been around since I posted this thread a few days ago, but I've kept it in the back of my mind.

The biggest thing that I have thought about is that women should never be your number one priority. You need to have something else that consumes you to the point where you are naturally aloof. It has been said enough times before, girls go nuts over a dude with some legitimate passion for something.

Set yourself up so that she will never be number one.

I think it still comes down to women wanting a provider. The world we live in is frivolous. Every girl knows instinctively that if she is your number one priority you won't be able to provide, or that you don't have any other worthwhile pursuits. She knows that she shouldn't be your number one.

Of course if you don't have game it doesn't really matter.

By the way, I ran some Hank Moody game on that girl I went to see at the end of my original post. I just wanted to see if it would work. My LTR was my Karen. I literally told her the whole story, from the point I met her up until the present day. I rambled on incessantly about all kinds of shit, then pulled out the futon and went to work.

I am definitely going to experiment more with taken guy game.

Post: #17

This is my first post, but I think this thread rings more true than any other when it comes to my recent experiences in the game.

Full disclosure, I'm 28 and was having the most success I've ever had with women earlier this year in terms of quantity and quality. There were weeks where I was meeting up with a new girl each night. I had spent months and months improving myself and simply got into a groove.

Then, of course, I met this one girl that I really clicked with. She had the total package and was genuinely an interesting person. So we dated for a couple of months and then settled into a "relationship." We traveled, we did cool stuff, and everything was going well through the summer. We had a trip to Spain planned and a bunch of other fun shit.

Then after 10 months, it's as if a switch flipped. She became cold right after Thanksgiving and the slow fade began. She still texts occasionally as if nothing ever happened (probably because she still has a ton of valuable shit at my house), but makes no effort at all to see me.

Why? Because I stopped being the guy that attracted her in the first place. I got comfortable and my value instantly dropped because I was investing more time in her than I was investing in myself. She became my top priority day in and day out, and looking back, it was absolutely pathetic.

I allowed comfort and putting one woman above everything else to completely suck every bit of game out of me. And now I'm having to find that groove that I had earlier this year all over again.

It's easy to think about where I'd be at this point had I continued doing what I was doing and getting numbers/dates at will. But now, all I can do is learn from this mistake and go back to the basics. Because I can tell that the most important thing I've learned from this is that game is really all about the basics.

Don't get comfortable. Build yourself into a person of value. Show, don't tell. Stop giving a fuck. These are the things that gave me the most success when I was rolling along.

The most seasoned players know this, but for those that are easing into a LTR and feel their game starting to slide a bit, snap out of it. Because the title of this thread says it all: "Don't forget the game that got you the girl."

I did just that. And now I have to learn from my mistakes to reach that next level once again.

Post: #18

I just got out of a LTR because I did exactly what Mayhem cautioned against earlier. My girl went from someone who bought me shit, let me use her house, do all the sexual favors willingly, into a whining bitch for 1 week and after that she wanted to broke up.

I would also add that the reason you need to keep up your game is because your girl will definitely have orbiters (if she doesn't that mean you went into a LTR with a 6 WTF niggas?) so the moment she gets bored is the moment she starts looking left and right. Nothing is more dangerous than a bored girlfriend.

I think your game also needs to change up. LTR progresses so game will inevitably incorporate changes, but certainly do not stop gaming her. You might not need to run the EXACT game but keep your shirt on.

Post: #19

(12-28-2014 08:04 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I just got out of a LTR because I did exactly what Mayhem cautioned against earlier. My girl went from someone who bought me shit, let me use her house, do all the sexual favors willingly, into a whining bitch for 1 week and after that she wanted to broke up.

I would also add that the reason you need to keep up your game is because your girl will definitely have orbiters (if she doesn't that mean you went into a LTR with a 6 WTF niggas?) so the moment she gets bored is the moment she starts looking left and right. Nothing is more dangerous than a bored girlfriend.

I think your game also needs to change up. LTR progresses so game will inevitably incorporate changes, but certainly do not stop gaming her. You might not need to run the EXACT game but keep your shirt on.

I think we've all been there at some point man. It's almost a right of passage. Most guys will never understand. Thankfully we are the type of guys smart enough to learn from our mistakes.

I don't want noobs to read my advice and think that they will forever have to sleep with one eye open. My original post was pretty intense, but hopefully people get the idea.

In my opinion the whole point of life/game is to build yourself and your lifestyle so that good habits and tight game is natural.

Post: #20

(12-23-2014 01:57 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  My thing is don't be in an LTR where you feel you need to put in a bunch of work into clowning. Bang them and leave them. It won't last.

Not sure what country you are in.

If I was in an LTR I would honestly test them by dropping some much weaker or relaxed game for a few weeks or months and see how they respond. If they respond negatively drop them. They aren't ride or die bitches. They are just a bitch like any other in that case.

Shit happens in life you can't always be at your best game. You don't want a life partner that is a fucking entertainment leech. Bang and drop in that case.

Agree with this.

I'm 30, fucked over 100+ girls, but have only had 2 LTRs.

I'm not going to get into a legit LTR with a girl unless I can be myself.

I'm also not extremely needy or beta so I don't have to worry about that much, but I'm not going to LTR a girl if I feel I have to always put on a show and act differently than I want to while I'm around her.

If I have to do that to keep a girl, then it's better I let her go, because we aren't compatible enough to be together in a LTR anyways. If you have to do that you have oneitis for the girl. Otherwise you'd just let her fade away while you worked on other chicks who you are more compatible with.

Post: #21

(12-29-2014 08:26 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Agree with this.

I'm 30, fucked over 100+ girls, but have only had 2 LTRs.

I'm not going to get into a legit LTR with a girl unless I can be myself.

I'm also not extremely needy or beta so I don't have to worry about that much, but I'm not going to LTR a girl if I feel I have to always put on a show and act differently than I want to while I'm around her.

If I have to do that to keep a girl, then it's better I let her go, because we aren't compatible enough to be together in a LTR anyways. If you have to do that you have oneitis for the girl. Otherwise you'd just let her fade away while you worked on other chicks who you are more compatible with.

Completely agree. I've tried this in a couple of LTR's and it becomes absolutely exhausting. It's just like oneitis since you are putting on a show to keep this one girl happy. Your skills diminish because you're always trying to find that next way to entertain her instead of just being yourself.

Like Travesty444 said, shit happens in life and even if you are the most experienced dude ever with women, there are going to be times where you aren't at your best. If you have to put on some ridiculous show to make up for that just so she's entertained, it's a waste of time.