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The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
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This just happened 5 miles near ferguson at a Mobil gas station. The victim pulled a gun on a cop and was shot. And there was minor rioting after it happened. Here we go again?

The hashtag #antoniomartin is quite active.
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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
I guess people just want cops to die. The guy pulled a gun on the cop, what do you want him to do? Get shot & killed?

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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
Heard about this on the radio. Pretty stupid to pull a gun on a cop unless you want to die.

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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
I just watched the police press conference. The guy was a master, struck the right tone of frankness. They have learned to be transparent.

The video of the riot at the gas station afterwards showed admirable police restraint.
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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
I have an awesome idea on how to make money off all this race hysteria. The question is simply do I want to stoop that low?

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Can't be any lower than what the media's already stooped to. There are no standards anymore.

Get in on the hustle.

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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
Seriously, what is going on in America with this cop shit? Is it grossly exaggerated or is it really racist cops running around beating minorities?

Don't debate me.
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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
(12-24-2014 09:47 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Seriously, what is going on in America with this cop shit? Is it grossly exaggerated or is it really racist cops running around beating minorities?

It's not a cop problem.

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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
Police are militarized. Cops can often be mistaken for an occupying army instead of officers of the peace which is their actual purpose.
Everyone loses because of this.

The media however, constantly makes it about race to get cheap clicks and views because it works.

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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
Al Sharpton should be coming soon. *sigh*
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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
Well, at least this one seems prompted. If you pull a gun, you're going to get shot.

Several of the other cases have been completely unjustified.
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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
Look, I'm your typical urban white collar white guy. I've been arrested a few times in my day and have had more then my fair share of run ins with the cops. Nothing overly serious, some alcohol related and/or driving stuff. If you think that the cops come strolling up to a guy like me because I am white and say "howdy there fine sir has is your evening going?" you're nuts. If you talk shit to cops and antagonize them they will make your life miserable whether you are white or black. If you physically threaten them you will get your ass kicked. If you put their life in danger you very well might get killed, whether you are a white frat boy or black thug. If you pull guns on them, or try and take their guns, you might get shot. If you dont want to get shot, don't to those things, whether you are white or black. Its pretty much that simple and ignorant to not realize that.
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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
(12-24-2014 09:44 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  I have an awesome idea on how to make money off all this race hysteria. The question is simply do I want to stoop that low?

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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
(12-24-2014 09:47 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Seriously, what is going on in America with this cop shit? Is it grossly exaggerated or is it really racist cops running around beating minorities?


I'm not going to say that this Antonio Brown guy was innocent because obviously if you pull a gun out on a cop, chances are that you're going to get shot. I'm also not going to say that the verdict of the Michael Brown case was wrong since I'm not that studied well enough in the case to come to that conclusion. Although I do believe Eric Garner was murdered because of what I saw from the tape. But the jury has spoken.

To answer your question, America has had a history of police brutality and police aggressiveness towards minorities. Its not so much that cops go around beating minorities up, it has more to do with them being extra aggressive and racially profiling minorities which leads to incidents of this sort. From experience living in Chicago I do tend to notice that cops are way more aggressive and way more nasty and vile when it comes to dealing with minorities in economically deprived neighborhoods where many minorities live, its as if they are angry. They go into peoples houses without warrants and its just a bad environment of cops altogether. When I go to downtown Chicago, the cops there seem completely different in temperament and very nice.

Of course, I'm not saying all cops are bad, the majority of them aren't but there are some bad apples like with everything else. This is just based off my own experience having growing up in a Latino neighborhood.
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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
Considering you have an entire race grievance industry and tons of SJW posers drooling at the prospect of finding police brutality, it is telling that their most publicized cases involve thugs with long criminal records injured/killed while resisting arrest. It leads me to believe that the cops must be doing an acceptable job if the SJW types can't even fabricate a better case for their cause in a country of 300 million. If cops are just out shooting blacks for fun, where are the honor roll students walking home from school and the soccer moms gunned down by racist cops?
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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
Maybe I'm just paranoid.

But have any of you guys thought why he pulled his gun out?

Why would he pull his gun out if he didn't fear for his life.

If I think there a chance I might die anyways, I'm going to go out blasting!

Of course the cops are going to twist the story in their favor.
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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
(12-24-2014 11:25 AM)JoyStick Wrote:  Maybe I'm just paranoid.

But have any of you guys thought why he pulled his gun out?

Why would he pull his gun out if he didn't fear for his life.

If I think there a chance I might die anyways, I'm going to go out blasting!

Of course the cops are going to twist the story in their favor.

Some people are thugs and murderers. There was a surveillance video that showed the criminal raising his gun. If I had to guess, the reason he pulled his gun was that he was a complete moron with low impulse control.

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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
You pull a gun out on a cop its a suicide wish. You don't have the balls to do the deed yourself so you let the cops do it for you. Some dude in Buffalo tried the same shit on the border. He had a fake gun and drove up on Canadian police, they wouldn't shoot at him, so he drove to the USA BPS and they tried to pump him full of lead almost instantly. I think he survived though.
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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
(12-24-2014 11:25 AM)JoyStick Wrote:  Maybe I'm just paranoid.

But have any of you guys thought why he pulled his gun out?

Why would he pull his gun out if he didn't fear for his life.

If I think there a chance I might die anyways, I'm going to go out blasting!

Of course the cops are going to twist the story in their favor.

The difference is that in this case, there's a surveillance video of the incident:

LINK TO YOUTUBE

A little tough to see; apparently the cop had a body camera (but not on him) and had his dashboard cam turned off. Despite that level of idiocy, he was saved by this camera...

...and there were STILL protests...

If concrete, video evidence of what happened isn't enough for some people, I'm not sure what the solution is, outside of letting both sides "have at it" once and for all, Highlander-style...

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I can't see anything in that video
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(12-24-2014 11:11 AM)MidWest Wrote:  
(12-24-2014 09:47 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Seriously, what is going on in America with this cop shit? Is it grossly exaggerated or is it really racist cops running around beating minorities?


I'm not going to say that this Antonio Brown guy was innocent because obviously if you pull a gun out on a cop, chances are that you're going to get shot. I'm also not going to say that the verdict of the Michael Brown case was wrong since I'm not that studied well enough in the case to come to that conclusion. Although I do believe Eric Garner was murdered because of what I saw from the tape. But the jury has spoken.

To answer your question, America has had a history of police brutality and police aggressiveness towards minorities. Its not so much that cops go around beating minorities up, it has more to do with them being extra aggressive and racially profiling minorities which leads to incidents of this sort. From experience living in Chicago I do tend to notice that cops are way more aggressive and way more nasty and vile when it comes to dealing with minorities in economically deprived neighborhoods where many minorities live, its as if they are angry. They go into peoples houses without warrants and its just a bad environment of cops altogether. When I go to downtown Chicago, the cops there seem completely different in temperament and very nice.

Of course, I'm not saying all cops are bad, the majority of them aren't but there are some bad apples like with everything else. This is just based off my own experience having growing up in a Latino neighborhood.

Do you know why the cops profile? Because statistics prove that minorities, especially in poor areas, or much much more likely to commit a violent crime then an affluent white person. Its hard to blame anyone when they are just doing what is statistically proven to be accurate. I'm a tall white dude. If tall white dudes were blowing up planes would I get mad at TSA for giving me extra scrutiny every time I went through airport security? No, they would just be doing what is logical. I'd have to get mad at other tall white dudes who kept blowing up the damn planes.
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(12-24-2014 11:32 AM)Vigo_the_Carpathian Wrote:  
(12-24-2014 11:25 AM)JoyStick Wrote:  Maybe I'm just paranoid.

But have any of you guys thought why he pulled his gun out?

Why would he pull his gun out if he didn't fear for his life.

If I think there a chance I might die anyways, I'm going to go out blasting!

Of course the cops are going to twist the story in their favor.

The difference is that in this case, there's a surveillance video of the incident:

LINK TO YOUTUBE

A little tough to see; apparently the cop had a body camera (but not on him) and had his dashboard cam turned off. Despite that level of idiocy, he was saved by this camera...

...and there were STILL protests...

If concrete, video evidence of what happened isn't enough for some people, I'm not sure what the solution is, outside of letting both sides "have at it" once and for all, Highlander-style...

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You dont even have to let both sides have at it. Just pull the police from the ghettos and see how long before a Mad Max style society exists without them. Its like Charles Barkley said - you dont realize how dangerous some of those neighborhoods are, and the police are the only things keeping the situation from anarchy.
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These protesters and especially these rogue gunmen are riding the fence on terrorism. If they want to take it that far, they will deserve what that deathwish will provide. The downside is that it will make cops even more nervous around decent people. No one wins when terrorism is involved. 9-11 and our airport security proved that.

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I respect and appreciates everybody responses, but I must have bad vision because I have no idea what was going on in that video. I just want to remind you guys we are just hearing one side of the story and not to jump to conclusions.
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RE: The death of Antonio Martin by a cop, five miles from ferguson
I find it funny how the SJWs call the cops racist. They need to have a re-read of the definition of racist- i.e. hate or discrimination against an entire race. Funny how no black guys who have jobs and their own families ever get shot isn't it...
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