Post: #1

I cannot think of a single dating site that gives men power over women. Tinder, Happn, Bumble (what a shit idea) are completely biased towards women.

Is it possible to build a dating website that would give power to men. Or would the very notion of such a site stop women from joining because of the sheer self-entitlement of most women in 2015?

Post: #2

If you mean the average man then no, of course not.

What do you mean by biased towards women?

Post: #3

There is no reason for one to exist. Attractive men often use dating sites. Attractive women don't.

A site more on the side of men would produce only the bottom of the barrel in terms of women if it even catches on.

This is a case where it's not a complex anti-patriarchy type deal. Just like in most situations, there is already an easy way which makes sense. Women are the main commodity. There is more demand than supply. It wouldn't make sense for the distributor to cater specifically to the demand when there's already so much for a limited supply.

Post: #4

A dating site that favors men?



All dating websites are good for '69ing' though.

Making 6's think they are 9s.

Post: #5

I see your points. There has to be a way of doing it though! Maybe signing women up without them knowing it, oh wait I think that might have already been done...

Post: #6

Ironically the way to design a site that favored men would be to leave no option for men to initiate contact with women. The question would then be, will all women simply shun this site, or would it serve as an effective filter for women who were a) honest about their desire to join one or more alpha harems and/or b) honest (relatively speaking of course—we're still talking about women here) about the kind of man they can reasonably expect to get a romantic involvement with. Either way there's no ego fluffing for the girls and no humiliating waste of time for the boys. Would it work? Someone else will have to establish it and see. I hate all this online dating crap too badly.

Post: #7

... Seeking Arrangement ?

Post: #8

I don't think this will ever exist. I mean, how are women going to be drawn to it, if they can't attention whore? Even LinkedIn is turning into a thirst machine.

Eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap. Online dating makes this even more obvious.

This girl i was banging (an 8 looks-wise) once showed me all her Facebook and Instagram messages.

I almost fainted, seriously. For an 18-year old girl next-door type from a small European country. She had more than 2.000 new and different dudes messaging her EVERY DAY. Even dudes from America, Australia and even bloody Liberia ! I wouldn't even want to imagine what her online dating profiles would look like.

That experience taught me that with actual real life Game i can put myself at an advantage and bang high quality girls. With online dating or social media, not. And i'm a very decent looking bloke.

I'm pretty damn sure that if i became a part of the mediocre masses and put in my penis solicitation through a screen instead of gaming her at the smoothie shop, i wouldn't have gotten her.

So i don't think this will ever change, with the internet dating, the power will always be in a woman's hands, thanks to the thirsty orbirters.

Post: #9

(07-03-2015 07:53 PM)civpro Wrote:  ... Seeking Arrangement ?

Beat me to it. See the thread here on the site. For older guys, your best bet is probably shoring: offering the potential promise of a decent sized allowance if the girl is good in bed. Then just don't pay her.

Other option for younger guys who are better looking: offer an arrangement where you pay them no allowance but let them share your lifestyle: restaurants, wine tasting, theater, opera, etc. Take them on fun dates and bang them. The only problem is that I am finding more and more the girls say they are ok with this arrangement but then they meet up and say they really want a cash allowance...

Post: #10

(07-03-2015 11:55 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 07:53 PM)civpro Wrote:  ... Seeking Arrangement ?

Beat me to it. See the thread here on the site. For older guys, your best bet is probably shoring: offering the potential promise of a decent sized allowance if the girl is good in bed. Then just don't pay her.

Other option for younger guys who are better looking: offer an arrangement where you pay them no allowance but let them share your lifestyle: restaurants, wine tasting, theater, opera, etc. Take them on fun dates and bang them. The only problem is that I am finding more and more the girls say they are ok with this arrangement but then they meet up and say they really want a cash allowance...

Nailed it on the head eradicator. I too am seeing very slowly diminishing marginal returns on SA, more and more of these girls despite being new are extremely insistent on allowances and being entitled to ridiculous shit for "internet" arrangements or purely nonphysical ones...

I think right now I'm still treading water because of my relative youth and strong frame setup, which is a huge plus for these girls that get propositioned for weird ass stuff by really old and/or desperate guys. I can only pray to whatever god is out there that I am out of this country before this gig collapses and the site turns entirely p4p.

On a more philosophical level, yes, I'll be that guy to say it, but the world needs a serious depopulation of dudes. Biology naturally favors a slight numerical advantage in men to account for shorter lifespan due to war. However, we haven't had a huge war in a long time, and this is coupled with the fact that many cultures, such as China and India, actively seek to exacerbate it further for societal reasons. If there were some hypothetical war and men were either away at the front lines or dead, the sudden disappearance of orbiters and attention would whip girls into shape. That said, I see neither of those happening any time soon.

Post: #11

Depends where in the world you are. If you are outside of North America, then it starts to favour you as a man more. It's all about supply and demand. If the market is flooded, no matter how you rig or code it, those in demand can always call the shots.

Post: #12

Simple solution: be a better man.

Isn't that one of the things we are all trying to do, and encouraging others here to do?

Doesn't matter if you're in a long term relationship, married, having a harem, racking up notches; you need to make yourself a better man.

Post: #13

An online dating site which gives men an advantage over women will never be a viable thing. Let me explain why...

As soon as a woman realises that a particular dating site favours men over her, she will avoid using it and just go to one of the many competitors out there which are favourable to women.

When there are no women on a dating site, there are no men. When there are neither women nor men on a dating site, there is no advertisement revenue coming in. When there is no ad revenue coming in, the site is not profitable.

Post: #14

It's not strictly a dating website, but I use a website that offers a variety of services and features, including a personals section. I would say that these personals definitely favours men.

I can put up one ad and get dozens of response from bang able women. I don't need to even seek them out.

Still have to take them out on one or two dates and game them before I get bangs out of it, but I do not need to spend hours and hours copying a pasting openers.

I'd say that I bang about 50% of the women that I meet.

Post: #15

(07-04-2015 03:24 AM)Biologist Wrote:  As soon as a woman realises that a particular dating site favours men over her, she will avoid using it and just go to one of the many competitors out there which are favourable to women.

Why can't men do the same thing. Then you would have like dating site warfare.

Post: #16

(07-03-2015 07:09 PM)The_Wonder Wrote:  I cannot think of a single dating site that gives men power over women. Tinder, Happn, Bumble (what a shit idea) are completely biased towards women.

Is it possible to build a dating website that would give power to men. Or would the very notion of such a site stop women from joining because of the sheer self-entitlement of most women in 2015?

The only dating site that favors men is Grindr. There are none for heterosexuals.

The site doesn't do anything: Make a fake female profile and you'll get 50 messages a week. Create a profile with male model pictures and you'll get like 5 a month. The thirst creates the entitlement your speaking of.

Most of the guys on these sites substitute online for day game and send boilerplate: "hey beautiful" messages which like Dusty said makes girls think they're the shit.

I don't think it's possible (imagine a bar letting in men free until 12AM, it will be a sausagefest till closing).

Post: #17

(07-04-2015 04:11 AM)Suits Wrote:  It's not strictly a dating website, but I use a website that offers a variety of services and features, including a personals section. I would say that these personals definitely favours men.

I can put up one ad and get dozens of response from bang able women. I don't need to even seek them out.

Still have to take them out on one or two dates and game them before I get bangs out of it, but I do not need to spend hours and hours copying a pasting openers.

I'd say that I bang about 50% of the women that I meet.

Really? I doubt it's in America, but what site is this that you're using?

Post: #18

All dating sites favor men.

They aggregate single women in your geographic region, show you their pictures, interests, and even give you a way to contact them directly.

What more could you ask for?

(07-03-2015 07:09 PM)The_Wonder Wrote:  Bumble (what a shit idea)

Some of the finest girls I've banged this year have been from
Bumble.

(07-03-2015 07:09 PM)The_Wonder Wrote:  because of the sheer self-entitlement of most women in 2015?

Sounds like the issue here is your attitude more than it is about the dating sites.

RVF can help you increase your skills with online dating, but an attitude change will have to come from within yourself.

Post: #19

(07-04-2015 11:59 AM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  All dating sites favor men.

They aggregate single women in your geographic region, show you their pictures, interests, and even give you a way to contact them directly.

What more could you ask for?

(07-03-2015 07:09 PM)The_Wonder Wrote:  Bumble (what a shit idea)

Some of the finest girls I've banged this year have been from
Bumble.

(07-03-2015 07:09 PM)The_Wonder Wrote:  because of the sheer self-entitlement of most women in 2015?

Sounds like the issue here is your attitude more than it is about the dating sites.

RVF can help you increase your skills with online dating, but an attitude change will have to come from within yourself.

Agree with all of this.

The rise of dating apps makes right now the best time in world history be a single man looking for sex. Maybe this isn't the best time in history to find an honest, non-promiscuous wife but if you've got decent looks and good text game then Tinder is your best friend for meeting and sleeping with girls.

An average middle class man with slightly above average game can now have the sex life that was previously only available to elites.

If this hasn't been your experience with Tinder, you might want to work on your text game. And maybe your pics.

Post: #20

(07-03-2015 11:55 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 07:53 PM)civpro Wrote:  ... Seeking Arrangement ?

Beat me to it. See the thread here on the site. For older guys, your best bet is probably shoring: offering the potential promise of a decent sized allowance if the girl is good in bed. Then just don't pay her.

Other option for younger guys who are better looking: offer an arrangement where you pay them no allowance but let them share your lifestyle: restaurants, wine tasting, theater, opera, etc. Take them on fun dates and bang them. The only problem is that I am finding more and more the girls say they are ok with this arrangement but then they meet up and say they really want a cash allowance...

Agreed. SA is a fucking goldmine, I knew about it 3 years ago but didn't take advantage of it until now.

I'm a guy in his early 20s yet bitches think I'm some guy making 8X what I actually make and with a net worth in the millions. I lie to them and say I'm in my mid 30s, when they ask how I look so young...."eating healthy, working out, and being rich help keep you young".

That phrase hits them home, every single time.

It's just standard internet game. Open, go for their phone, text game, meet them, make them laugh, escalate, bang.

Y'all homies are right though. I've been encountering more trannies, fatties, and flakes on there. Especially "500 per meet" or "300 before we meet" or "text only" shit more frequently. The good thing is that they're upfront and I just next them.

I've switched my meet ups from drinks to starbucks to fend off the bitches whose car broke down, mom got sick, or rent is due all of the sudden in the same evening and now need 200-600 bucks. It helps me reduce my risk, from 30 in drinks to 10 bucks in starbucks.

Edit: I'm an asshole to SA chicks, when they text me for the first time I ask for a pic. They complain about "ugh, you probably do this to everyone" to which I reply "yeah, there's 8girls for every guy. I'm not going to sweat over any female".

Post: #21

(07-04-2015 08:12 AM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 04:11 AM)Suits Wrote:  It's not strictly a dating website, but I use a website that offers a variety of services and features, including a personals section. I would say that these personals definitely favours men.

I can put up one ad and get dozens of response from bang able women. I don't need to even seek them out.

Still have to take them out on one or two dates and game them before I get bangs out of it, but I do not need to spend hours and hours copying a pasting openers.

I'd say that I bang about 50% of the women that I meet.

Really? I doubt it's in America...

It's not.

Post: #22

You have a 50% close rate? Those would be damn near hall of fame numbers in the USA. Do you attribute this to the white God factor?

Post: #23

(07-04-2015 07:28 PM)eradicator Wrote:  You have a 50% close rate? Those would be damn near hall of fame numbers in the USA. Do you attribute this to the white God factor?

What's a good close rate in the United States? In my brief experience with online dating, all in the United States, I'm at one-third, and my percentages for everything, seem to be higher, maybe much higher than those of most other guys.

Post: #24

Maybe gay dating sites?

Post: #25

(07-04-2015 07:28 PM)eradicator Wrote:  You have a 50% close rate? Those would be damn near hall of fame numbers in the USA. Do you attribute this to the white God factor?

White God factor certainly can't hurt. But I think that there's more too it than that. While I know for a fact that there are other guys who do very well here (I'm not sure what their ROI is), I'm also confident that there are a lot of white guys who are a whole lot less successful.

a) I'm 29. There are plenty of white English teachers here in China, but I earn 3x a typical English teacher's income. It's very rare for a Chinese person my age to have the money I have. So, my competition is a lot poorer. I'm banging girls under 30 and unless that are supremely attractive or have good family/social connections, they are not going to have much access to Chinese guys (or Western guys) with my income. I don't make quite as much as your rich expat stereotype, but I'm way ahead of the Chinese guys and the white guys in my dating pool.

I don't say this to suggest that money gets me laid, but it did does give me the ability to create a very comfortable lifestyle for these girls to participate in.

When they come to visit me at my apartment, it's going to be much, much nicer than where they are living.

Suffice to say, my lifestyle is attractive to these girls, far more than your typical white guy with White God Factor. I'm sure there are English teachers living in substandard housing that still do better than me, but they'd have to have tight game.

Game can definitely make up for a lack of money, but there's clearly an advantage anywhere in the world to being able to promote yourself by offering access to a lifestyle that your target women could never afford/access on their own.

My appearance and conversational threads are congruent with this lifestyle experience. You'll never see me wearing a t-shirt. In fact, I have trouble finding one when girls sleep over and want to borrow one.

Except for the summer months, you won't see me leave home without the minimum of a sports jacket and I'm often suited up. When I meet girls, its nice shoes, tailored suit jacket, jeans and a carefully selected matching shirt. I've found a nice balance between over-dressed and looking like an English teacher. When I tell girls that I run my own company, they believe me.

b) My logistics are extremely solid. Chinese girls commonly exhibit a lot of LMR and ASD. They also usually go to bed early.

I pay out the ass to have a 100 square meter apartment a 10 minute walk from San Li Tun, the main expat area. It's fairly central in Beijing, right in the middle of Chaoyang district, which is where 90% of the women who are responding to my personals ads are living. Therefore, it's not too much to ask for them to meet me in this area.

I'll insist on meeting in this neighborhood and use a particular restaurant being my favourite or the one I always go to on Thursday nights to guarantee that we meet in this area.

This allows me to run Tuth's first date bang recipe. I don't always get the girls home after dinner, but I do it far more often than I would if I was living somewhere else. If a girl wants to be in bed and is more than an hour away from her home when she meets me (not unusually in Beijing, especially if you aren't meeting somewhere central), she's going to be much less likely to go back to my place after dinner.

However, if she is only a twenty minute taxi ride from home, she can spare an hour and still expect to get home in decent time.

It does take two dates to get the bang, but have rock solid logistics never hurts and makes it easier to line up that second date inside my apartment.

c) I have solid specialist game for Chinese and for Beijing.

I'd be the last guy to claim to be some sort of game expert. I've barely even done any cold-approaching in North America and until recently, hadn't done any in Beijing. I'd had some success in Hong Kong, but that was because I felt more confident there because of the high number of local women who converse comfortably in English.

Recently, my Chinese conversational ability and confident reached a level where I am able to flirt and joke with women in Chinese. I can be very entertaining in Chinese, which opens the door to gaming virtually any woman in this city.

I recently met some guys for the first time who wanted to game together. One guy (a white guy, dressed in a t-shirt and shorts) approached a girl.

His opener: "Hi, how are you?'

The girl completely blew him off, wouldn't even look at him.

Later, after seeing me confidently approach some other, less attractive women, he challenged me to re-approach the woman who he had failed with. I didn't want to (I'm a bit of a pussy), but he pressured me into it.

I walked up to her, sat down next to her and her friends, and proceeded to ridicule them in Chinese for wordlessly using their phones. My opener: "Did you come all the way here just to use your cell phones?"

I wasn't a jerk, but I was entertaining. This girl and her friends did not speak English, so it would have been a hard sell if I didn't speak a decent level of Chinese.

For first dates off of the website I'm using, the girls all speak English, usually well. But that doesn't stop me from using my Chinese skills to demonstrate higher value.

I have the rare condition of being funnier in Chinese than in English, so it's no trouble to make them laugh. If this doesn't make a Chinese girl's vagina tingle, then I don't know what will.

I recently took a girl to dinner (off of a street approach) and she up to this point had acted like she didn't know a word of English (even though she actually had very good English), so all of our communication up to this point had been in Chinese. When we sat down, she insisted on sitting with her back to the wall.

I busted her balls, accusing her of wanting to sit where she could see all of the good looking men in the restaurant. Not only did she laugh, but the Chinese guy sitting to our left cracked up so hard that he spit his food across the table at his date.

When girl meet me, it's a very rare experience for them. Even if they've dating other white men (and they usually have), they've rarely met one who as comfortable in Chinese as I am or knows Beijing as well as I do.

If you dropped me in Bangkok, I'd probably have a lot less success (at least in the beginning), because despite being white in Asia, I wouldn't have the same ability to demonstrate higher value.

d) I'm not just white, I have blue eyes and I dye my hair blonde. Some super sluts here are just really into that look, which gives me an edge in some situations.

e) There's a lot of Chinese girls looking to date foreign men in Beijing and not that many attractive men by comparison. The ratio is very skewed to the men's advantage.

It's not really that these girls prefer white men in most cases. They've simply realized that they may be able to marry better with a foreign man than with a Chinese man. Some girls have a look that foreigners prefer but Chinese men don't like. They get far more attention from white men as a result, even if they don't have a preference either way.

For some girls, from certain backgrounds, marrying a Chinese man with any money is very unlikely. But even a lowly foreign teacher makes enough money to be considered an ideal target for these peasant girls.

There girls have nothing wrong with them and are often hard-working, but they won't be seriously considered by urban Chinese men, just because of there background. It's a great market for foreign men to target.

Therefore, due to this demand, I don't have time to meet all the girls who message me. This allows me to narrow it down to the best options and therefore I only meet the girls who seem the most eager and enthusiastic for my dick. This definitely helps my ratio.



Please note that while I've been happy with my results in Beijing recently, I don't want to try to sell myself as a seasoned player. I'm not banging 8's. I do OK here, but would definitely struggle to replicate my success outside of China. In fact, my success is more recent. My bread and butter last winter were women over 34, as I hadn't tried online dating yet and still hadn't invested into learning approach game, something I got serious about in March.

If anyone is curious about the quality I'm banging, I've got some pictures I can share to repped members, but won't post publicly.

Also, in case anyone is wondering, my ROI on approach game here in Beijing is about 1/8. For every 3 approaches I do, I usually get two numbers. For every 4 numbers I get, I get 3 responses and I'll usually bang one of those three numbers. Generally these bangs are 6's, as I'll pretty much approach anything that isn't hideous.