Post: #1

I am arriving in Hong Kong September 2 and flying back home late at night on September 8. That means that I will be there for 7 days and 6 nights.

My main goal is to have a good time and just see as much as I can as it will be my first time in Asia ever. Also, I'd like to get my Chinese flag and my Hong Kong flag.

To the guys out there who have been to these cities:

How many days would you recommend I stay in each city? Friend have advised me to go for at least a night in Macau, maybe just do a day trip to Shenzhen and spend the rest of the time in Hong Kong.

That makes perfect sense to me from a sightseeing perspective.

However, I can imagine that Shenzhen could actually be a pretty good place to get pussy as the city has about the size of Hong Kong but girls should be less used to foreigners.

The other thing is that a 4 or 5 star hotel in Shenzhen costs about as much as a sketchy guesthouse in Hong Kong.

What is your take on this?

Post: #2

Macau isn't worth more than a day, but it will be a good day. If you go, just avoid the casinos, they're full of mainlanders and generally soul-crushingly terrible places. Go to Taipa and Coloane, which are still somewhat laid-back and full of old Portuguese buildings and interesting corners. Go eat at Fernando's.

The rest depends on your budget and what you want to do. Sightseeing in HK isn't expensive and you can have a decent time in LKF while not spending more than 150 HKD if you play it right (drink at 7 Eleven, only go to entry free club/bars or try to snag up some of the free entry vouchers being handed out on weekends). However a decent place to crash and take girls to will be important because it's still going to be hot and humid as hell in early September and the last thing you want to do after a long day of walking around in the heat is to come back to a crummy cramped guesthouse with shitty beds.

Someone else will have to chime in for Shenzhen.

Post: #3

Thanks a lot!

So you would not even spend a night in Macau? Is the party there not as legendary as some people say?

As far as accommodation is concerned, I would either:

- Go for a decent 4 star hotel and just consider it a good investment
- Get a private room at a good hostel - the upside here would be that it would be very easy to socialize

Anybody else have some more advice?

Post: #4

Macau is hilariously boring. Go there for a few hours then hightail it BACK to HONG KONG. You'll want 4 days 3 nights in HK and then the rest in SZ (minus the 2 hours you check out Macau for). In HK you should daygame in TST and Causeway Bay especially. Nights there should be in either Wanchai or LKF. For SZ, go to Coco Park, places like Viva (a bar there) are quite fun.

Post: #5

Also as this is a current issue, if you plan on going out in LKF/Wan Chai at all, book your hotel on the island and be careful with cabs in those areas, as in recent months the drivers have become notorious in LKF and Wan Chai for refusing fares if they aren't profitable enough, selling rides at extortionate unmetered prices to the highest bidder and being all around shady cunts, especially to clueless foreigners. They just recently arrested several drivers for this in a sting. So book your hotel in walking distance to LKF or use Uber instead.

Note this only applies to LKF and Wan Chai at night, in other situations cabs are still OK on the whole though unnecessary since public transportation in HK gets you almost everywhere anyway.

Regarding your question, I was at Cubic once in 2011 and it sucked. Just party in LKF, it's more fun and easier to meet people. If I was you I wouldn't do a hostel. Most of the people you'll encounter there are English teachers on visa runs and stinky backpackers, not really anyone you want to socialize with anyway, and in LKF you can easily meet people the same way just standing in front of 7-11.

Post: #6

Wow, I really did not think Macau was that boring!

Thanks for the quality advice on Hong Kong, PKerzee. I'll make sure to check these spots out when I'm there! Do you happen to know anything about Shenzhen, too?

atlant, I'd rather avoid the taxis then I think or really go for Uber. As for public transportation - are they operating pretty much around the clock or do they stop at some point?

All in all, what I am going to do now:

- Stay at a hotel in LKF for 3 nights and 4 days
- Spend the rest of the time in Shenzhen
- Do a day trip to Macau

I'll make sure to check out the spots you guys recommended.

Sounds like a solid plan to me now.

If any of you guys happens to be in the area around the same time as me, feel free to PM me!

Post: #7

(08-11-2015 04:27 AM)PBX Wrote:  I am arriving in Hong Kong September 2 and flying back home late at night on September 8. That means that I will be there for 7 days and 6 nights.

My main goal is to have a good time and just see as much as I can as it will be my first time in Asia ever. Also, I'd like to get my Chinese flag and my Hong Kong flag.

To the guys out there who have been to these cities:

How many days would you recommend I stay in each city? Friend have advised me to go for at least a night in Macau, maybe just do a day trip to Shenzhen and spend the rest of the time in Hong Kong.

That makes perfect sense to me from a sightseeing perspective.

However, I can imagine that Shenzhen could actually be a pretty good place to get pussy as the city has about the size of Hong Kong but girls should be less used to foreigners.

The other thing is that a 4 or 5 star hotel in Shenzhen costs about as much as a sketchy guesthouse in Hong Kong.

What is your take on this?

I've never lived in Shenzhen before, but I would advice against it.

As a Hongkee I can tell you that Shenzhen is a city of migrants. I.e people come from all over china to make a living. The city is rampant with prostitution.

Thread carefully.

Few questions:

1. Can you speak Mandarin/ Cantonese?
2. How much is your budget?

Macau is also rampant with prostitution fyi.

Your best bet is to pipeline online, do daygame while shopping for things you need and of course, night club game. I will be posting up a field report shortly as I am heading to Hk next week

Post: #8

Unfortunately I don't speak any Mandarin or Cantonese.

My overall budget is... about 1000 € for the whole week maybe. Including hotels, food, sightseeing, party, etc.

Looking forward to reading your field reports!

Post: #9

(08-12-2015 06:52 AM)PBX Wrote:  Unfortunately I don't speak any Mandarin or Cantonese.

My overall budget is... about 1000 € for the whole week maybe. Including hotels, food, sightseeing, party, etc.

Looking forward to reading your field reports!

1000 euros is more than enough for the week if you dont buy anything too exuberant.

I suggest you learn some simple cantonese phrases. Like how to cuss in cantonese, say youre beautiful etc...

Post: #10

As a HongKee who has never lived in Shenzhen, you're advising against him visiting. You lived a border crossing away and never stayed there for significant time,and now your providing travel advice about going there? Because there are prostitutes in SZ? Like those are the only women? They are not, by far. I lived there for two years - I'm not saying SZ is an obvious choice because I don't know much about OP, and I am not a big advocate of splitting up a short trip into multiple destinations in general, but OP better then, by your logic, stay out of Thailand and the Philippines and Jakarta. Oh, and Vegas, and Moscow and almost every other city in the world.

OP, have a look at the date sheet here, if you want to base it more on relevant recent information. And I'd say in general, many HK guys view SZ as a p4p destination and tend not to like mainlanders (some of whom behave rather badly on the streets of HK, many of whom do not)....so consider the source of anyone providing info.

(08-12-2015 06:26 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 04:27 AM)PBX Wrote:  I am arriving in Hong Kong September 2 and flying back home late at night on September 8. That means that I will be there for 7 days and 6 nights.

My main goal is to have a good time and just see as much as I can as it will be my first time in Asia ever. Also, I'd like to get my Chinese flag and my Hong Kong flag.

To the guys out there who have been to these cities:

How many days would you recommend I stay in each city? Friend have advised me to go for at least a night in Macau, maybe just do a day trip to Shenzhen and spend the rest of the time in Hong Kong.

That makes perfect sense to me from a sightseeing perspective.

However, I can imagine that Shenzhen could actually be a pretty good place to get pussy as the city has about the size of Hong Kong but girls should be less used to foreigners.

The other thing is that a 4 or 5 star hotel in Shenzhen costs about as much as a sketchy guesthouse in Hong Kong.

What is your take on this?

I've never lived in Shenzhen before, but I would advice against it.

As a Hongkee I can tell you that Shenzhen is a city of migrants. I.e people come from all over china to make a living. The city is rampant with prostitution.

Thread carefully.

Few questions:

1. Can you speak Mandarin/ Cantonese?
2. How much is your budget?

Macau is also rampant with prostitution fyi.

Your best bet is to pipeline online, do daygame while shopping for things you need and of course, night club game. I will be posting up a field report shortly as I am heading to Hk next week

Post: #11

Yes I do have a cognitive bias against mainland women, but with good reason.

Simply put it, Would you rather go to a modern, modern cosmopolitan city like hk or a backward place like sz?

We can both agree that sz is a p4p destination, like macau. Let's say hypothetically 4 in 10 women are prostitutes in sz, whilst 1 in 10 are, in hk. Not all the women are prostitutes in both countries, but taking into account these stats What would the obvious choice be ? Do take note that even though a girl might not be a prostitute, she could be working as a ktv girl or masseus giving happy endings.

I'm simply advising op to err on the side of caution; he has never been to china before, and hk would be the best choice for him because it is the most western city in china and yet retains it's oriental charm.

Yes I haven't lived in sz but I've dealt with Chinese people and women longer than you have and I know what they can be like in general.

Materialistic, poor hygiene, excessive pubic and armpit hair, poor manners, poor table manners, annoying accents.

Post: #12

I have spent very little time in HK over 2 trips, but I agree about taxi drivers being cunts. Do not rely on taxis or Uber, stay near LKF. You can find an air bnb apt for around $100/night right in the middle of the action.

Post: #13

(08-12-2015 09:56 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  I have spent very little time in HK over 2 trips, but I agree about taxi drivers being cunts. Do not rely on taxis or Uber, stay near LKF. You can find an air bnb apt for around $100/night right in the middle of the action.

If they overcharge or refuse to go to the destination of your choice, simply tell them that you want them to take you to the police station.

Fun fact: the cab drivers always go several metres past your intended destination so the metre will jump.

Post: #14

First of all, you're starting off by changing my assertion. I never said he should go to SZ instead of HK. His question was whether he should go to SZ as well, which is what I answered. So as simply as you put it, its not what he asked, nor what I answered. Perhaps your cognitive basis extends further than you think...

(08-12-2015 09:35 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  Yes I do have a cognitive bias against mainland women, but with good reason.

Simply put it, Would you rather go to a modern, modern cosmopolitan city like hk or a backward place like sz?

I didn't agree with SZ being a p4p definition. I said many HK guys see it that way. 10 million plus people are in SZ and its outskirts now, so you're telling me that if half are women, and 40 percent of those are prostitutes, that there are 2 million prostitutes in SZ. Talk about finding what you're looking for - section bias, much? SZ is the capital of the south for business, and has many industries, many normal people. You seem to be describing what Dong Guan was pre-crackdown.

(08-12-2015 09:35 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  We can both agree that sz is a p4p destination, like macau. Let's say hypothetically 4 in 10 women are prostitutes in sz, whilst 1 in 10 are, in hk. Not all the women are prostitutes in both countries, but taking into account these stats What would the obvious choice be ? Do take note that even though a girl might not be a prostitute, she could be working as a ktv girl or masseus giving happy endings.

Not disagreeing with the below, just evening the discussion out.

(08-12-2015 09:35 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  I'm simply advising op to err on the side of caution; he has never been to china before, and hk would be the best choice for him because it is the most western city in china and yet retains it's oriental charm.

Longer maybe, but perhaps not as frequently and not on as recent a basis, on their own turf, and in the manner of someone who lived in the mainland as a resident as opposed to one crossing the border for, exactly, what? What were your trips to SZ about, perhaps that will shed some light on your impressions. I'd also add that SZ is probably one of the most rapidly changing big cities in China, and an impression from 5-10 years ago is like reading the Fodor's entry which said that "Shenzhen is a scary place most foreigners give a wide berth" - not anymore, at all. Tons of people doing lots of business there, easy to get around, change money, good metro system (far superior to say, BJ/GZ), and tons of young people working in multitudes of industries, led by LED and electronics in general.

(08-12-2015 09:35 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  Yes I haven't lived in sz but I've dealt with Chinese people and women longer than you have and I know what they can be like in general.

We don't need every girl to be spectacular. I'm not aiming for average and I don't suggest you do so, either.

(08-12-2015 09:35 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  Materialistic, poor hygiene, excessive pubic and armpit hair, poor manners, poor table manners, annoying accents.

Post: #15

(08-12-2015 09:35 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  Yes I do have a cognitive bias against mainland women, but with good no good reason.

Fixed that for you.

(08-12-2015 09:35 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  Simply put it, Would you rather go to a modern, modern cosmopolitan city like hk or a backward place like sz?

You've clearly never been to Shenzhen. There are plenty of backwards places in China. Shenzhen really isn't one of them. In fact, I'd argue that it affect a more modern feel than Hong Kong.

(08-12-2015 09:35 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  We can both agree that sz is a p4p destination, like macau.

Shenzhen is many things. Dongguan is definitely a P4P destination, but it would be downright unfair to characterize Shenzhen as mainly P4P. Hong Kong has more than it's fair share of prostitution.

(08-12-2015 09:35 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  Let's say hypothetically 4 in 10 women are prostitutes in sz, whilst 1 in 10 are, in hk. Not all the women are prostitutes in both countries, but taking into account these stats What would the obvious choice be ? Do take note that even though a girl might not be a prostitute, she could be working as a ktv girl or masseus giving happy endings.

Ok, I'll bite. Show me some research or at least an anecdote that supports your theory that 40% of Shenzhen women are whores.

(08-12-2015 09:35 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  I'm simply advising op to err on the side of caution; he has never been to china before, and hk would be the best choice for him because it is the most western city in china and yet retains it's oriental charm.

Shenzhen is hardly the Wild West. By Mainland standards, it is rather civilized and the people who live there tend to be polite, friendly and laidback.

I was there in February and had a very pleasant experience. There's really no need to err on the side of caution. If OP has the ability to obtain a visa to the Mainland, it would be rather ridiculous to spend an entire week in Hong Kong and not once step foot in Shenzhen. It's so incredibly easy to see both in the same trip that it's odd to suggest not doing so.

One week in Hong Kong or any other city is hardly enough time to put down roots. And unless your game is particularly tight, even getting a lay is not guaranteed when you visit a new place for a short time.

OP's smartest move is to see as much as he can so that you can make good decisions about his next trip. I could see someone arguing that one week is two short to hit HK-SZ-GZ (and I would agree), but to recommended not visiting Shenzhen because it's best to "err on the side of caution" is rather suspect.

(08-12-2015 09:35 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  Yes I haven't lived in sz but I've dealt with Chinese people and women longer than you have and I know what they can be like in general.

Materialistic, poor hygiene, excessive pubic and armpit hair, poor manners, poor table manners, annoying accents.

I've dealt with my fair share of Mainlanders and I can assure OP that he has absolutely nothing to worry about. Shenzhen is full of women who have had exposure to Western culture and shave their pits.

The men I interacted with in Shenzhen were also pleasant and polite by any standard.

Post: #16

Timely thread. Will be in HK and Macau Nov/dec was going to ask for information on which clubs to hit up in HK. Never been to HK before, are the chicks receptive to middle eastern looking guys (no beard)??

Post: #17

Suits, global entry.

We can all agree that I and many hongkees dislike mainlanders; there's a reason for this, no one dislikes a race of people for no reason.

You'll view mainlanders a certain way and I will another. Refute what I say, but at the end of the day, the both of you are still foreigners while my roots are in hongkong; you can lean the language, immigrate here, but will you truly understand all The idiosyncrasies of the Chinese people and women?

By your standards, Mainland women are pleasant, beautiful, feminine but what yardstick are you using?

How does a Chinese persons yard stick differ from a western persons? If we had more hk/ Chinese rvf members, we could start a discussion on this.

Right now what's happening is that I'm arguing with 2 western guysabout my own country, the country I grew up in and this is counterintuitive.

regarding ops question, I don't have statistics to back up what I say, this is a known fact that all the locals know.

Everything one needs is here in hk. There's no need to cross the border waste time commuting, clearing customs, planning,just to "sample" other Chinese "goods".

If you plan to relocate there/ check out the place for relocation purposes, that's a different story altogether.

Post: #18

@chengis

The locals have a derogatory way of addressing foreigners

- Indians, Indian devil
- whites, white devil
- brown, blacks, black devil

Post: #19

Well, as someone that has lived in both the Mainland and in HK I can jump in and give my own advice as to how many days one would need in all of these places.

I do kind of agree with Agreddor that one doesn't necessarily need to cross the border simply for women, but whatever - this isn't purely a sex trip and one should definitely see Shenzhen or really Guangzhou which is worth it for the food alone.

HK can be done in 3 days, Macau can be done in 1 day (not a big fan), and then a couple of days in the surrounding Mainland areas. It can be overwhelming to get around Chinese cities, and HK is much more compact and easy to navigate than anywhere in the Mainland.

I disagree that HK's top girls won't be interested in a foreigner. They might not date us and marry us, but they certainly will fuck us. What makes it particularly useful is that Chinese mens' game consists of using their parents money to buy her expensive shit. I had no trouble in HK with rich girls, poor girls, girls with limited English. Heck, I was able to game girls with my Cantonese and I speak about as well as those kids learning English do in the Kindergarten classes. Of course, good luck getting any kind of top girl from a week-long visit.

To be completely honest, I would recommend Taiwan for this kind of trip if the sole purpose is banging Chinese-speaking girls.

Post: #20

Agreddor your posts are a joke and borderline racist diatribe. Few people have the stomach for junk like this here in the travel forum. Wanna know one of the reasons why there are not alot of Asian guys from HK/China/Taiwan on the forum backing you up? Go look up a poster named Chuslice. You could be him for all we know as well. We get a few Asian cockblockers in here from time to time. Bitter over who knows what. Well maybe I do know why, but I just don't care to discuss it.

Shenzhen is an international business city. There was a guy I have advised in the past that went there hoping it would not be like Beijing/Shanghai but more quaint, old school, and cozy like a smaller city. He was very dissapointed. The first things he told me were that too many people that speak English. Too many people are dressed in business suits. Too many westerners. Food from all over the world. Regardless of what this person's desire was, it was pretty clear to see that the city was not going to be all that much different for them experience wise than it was for when they went to Beijing, etc.

I have Chinese in-laws that live and work in SZ. Guess what. They are the only ones except my wife that speak alot of English! They have great jobs too in multinational companies as well.

Too many whores in SZ? That is a first. Honestly, there are whores in every city in China. Even in tiny ones. I cannot confirm or deny the prevalence of whores in SZ, but I will say it can't outnumber the amount in HK on a per capita level. It would be impossible. I mean, HK is the only place in China where p4p is so strong that you have websites that have photos, rates/prices, bios, and a checkout basket. Even the mainland does not have that. They would be raided in a heartbeat. In fact, most of your whores in HK actually COME FROM the Mainland!!! Those same dirty people you look down on and do not want in your city, are the same ones you are pimping and fucking!! Wanna know another reason why most of your whores have to be mainlanders? Because HK women cannot compete with the beauty. Not just in terms of sheer number, but you guys just do not have the talent. Have you ever looked at the girls listed in HK before? I have. It's ridiculous. They have a hoe for every fetish and configuration just about. Even anime looking girls. It's almost a smidge tempting to smash one to find out. Almost.

Have a need? You guys have the fix. HK has been a black market hub for thousands of years. It is hilarious to hear a Hong Konger like you get all self righteous and indignant over mainlanders.

Look, most of us China vets get it. You guys hate mainlanders (mostly countryside ones) because they spit on the streets, shit in the streets etc., fight and curse (as if HK people are not notorious for it), and all sorts of other strange or "uncivilized" stuff. We get it. We know you guys hate the CCP with a passion and want them out of HK. We understand they "ruined" Hong Kong movie production with censorship (allegedly, I really do not know). You all want the UK to take you back. Guess what, money talks, bullshit walks. They could not keep HK realistically. China's military is clearing it's throat. The South China Sea will be theirs soon and eventually their elbows will come out and some countries will get elbow in their cheeks. Hugging the nuts of NATO members is a loser's gamble. The UK was smart to let it go. The PI, Vietnam, and others are going to lose out by not getting deals now, by trying to get the USA/Europe to referee these disputes.

You should embrace your brothers, that you claim to know better than us, stronger than you are doing now. You won't have any choice later anyway.

Post: #21

I was going to leave it alone, but I can't.

(08-16-2015 07:30 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  We can all agree that I and many hongkees dislike mainlanders; there's a reason for this, no one dislikes a race of people for no reason.

Sure that's the case. Just like the bomb going off in Chit Lom this morning - no doubt those separatists thought the folks going to worship deserved it for some reason...

Like this guy, I am sure he'd have some good reason to dislike you. Oh, and by the way, "Race" - aren't you the same race? Debating about "your own country" with "two foreigners" - you're all over the place, man. One sentence you're distinguishing yourself from them and then the next, claiming they're a race to be disliked for good reason. Whatever suits your debate at that particular moment, I guess.

(08-16-2015 07:30 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  You'll view mainlanders a certain way and I will another. Refute what I say, but at the end of the day, the both of you are still foreigners while my roots are in hongkong; you can lean the language, immigrate here, but will you truly understand all The idiosyncrasies of the Chinese people and women?

You've gone to great lengths to distinguish your city and your culture from that of the mainland, but yet you claim to have this true understanding of mainlanders and their culture? Why, because certain mainlanders (by no means a cross-section of Mainlanders representative of the billion plus people to the north) cross the border and you've superficially interacted with them in your neighborhood? Do you measure all Brits/Aussies/Yanks by the ones you see in HK?

And further, you talk as if they're a uniform group, rather than a collection of somewhat disparate cultures spread over a huge landmass. That itself belies a rampant misunderstanding of the "culture" of Han Chinese.

(08-16-2015 07:30 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  Right now what's happening is that I'm arguing with 2 western guysabout my own country, the country I grew up in and this is counterintuitive.

Two guys who have spent far more time in the mainland. I agree its counterintuitive and I was going to stop - but your race baiting sent me on one more rant.

What we started discussing before you derailed this thread is whether OP should take a trip into SZ during his week of HK. No one is debating whether HK is worth a visit. I don't think anything you've said here would provide a strong argument for OP not visiting - and of course, the best thing is for him to see for himself, judge for himself. None of us can replicate that experience for him, no matter how much we debate the merits of the population and culture.

Post: #22

(08-16-2015 07:30 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  Suits, global entry.

We can all agree that I and many hongkees dislike mainlanders; there's a reason for this, no one dislikes a race of people for no reason.

That's a different conversation. It's not news that there is tension between HK and the Mainland. However, you are claiming that Hong Kong is so much better, and Shenzhen is so bad that it's not even worth OP's time to mail away for a visa and spend two hours crossing into Shenzhen. That's a bold claim to make and on this forum, there is a burden of proof when members make bold claims, especially when they run against the grain in respect to what established members have stated.

Quote:You'll view mainlanders a certain way and I will another.

If you've read my posts on this forum you'd know that I'm hardly one to argue the positives about Mainlanders. I'm simply responding to your bold claim that Shenzhen is so terrible and Hong Kong so superior, that OP shouldn't bother having a look for himself.

Quote:Refute what I say, but at the end of the day, the both of you are still foreigners while my roots are in hongkong; you can lean the language, immigrate here, but will you truly understand all The idiosyncrasies of the Chinese people and women?

This tired old argument isn't even worth responding to.

Quote:By your standards, Mainland women are pleasant, beautiful, feminine but what yardstick are you using?

You are putting words in my mouth. I've never said any of that. The closest I've come to that is stating that people in Shenzhen were generally pleasant and that Shenzhen is home to some of the most beautiful women in China (given that the city tends to attract top talent from around the country). But I've never stated that Mainland women are specifically pleasant, beautiful and feminine. In fact, I've always responded with criticism when anyone of the forum has tried to generalize about all the women in a country with a population of 1.6 billion.

Quote:How does a Chinese persons yard stick differ from a western persons?

Unless OP is a Chinese man, I'd suggest that my measure stick would be far more useful for his purposes than yours.

Quote:Right now what's happening is that I'm arguing with 2 western guys about my own country, the country I grew up in and this is counterintuitive.

How much time have you actually spent on the Mainland?

Since you claim to be from Hong Kong, a region with a radically different culture than the Mainland, I'd be interested to hear how you came to be so in tune with an entirely different culture, that to the best of knowledge, you did not grow up in.

Quote:regarding ops question, I don't have statistics to back up what I say, this is a known fact that all the locals know.

Appeals to authority do not carry any weight here.

Quote:Everything one needs is here in hk. There's no need to cross the border waste time commuting, clearing customs, planning,just to "sample" other Chinese "goods".

OP, I suggest that you disregard Agreddor's suggestions in this department. Shenzhen is definitely worth the trip, assuming that you've already secured a mainland visa or are in the process of doing so. To be honest, checking out at least two Chinese cities will be far more valuable than seeing just one, as it will give you a useful point of reference.

I was relatively bored with Shenzhen when I visited for a week and definitely prefer Hong Kong, but I certainly don't regret visiting Shenzhen and now have one more useful reference point that will serve me well in the future. Also, we have at least one forum member in Shenzhen (there was no one to meet when I was there) and I would argue that if he's up for a meet up, it would be worth crossing into Shenzhen for that reason alone.

Post: #23

Way before I ever met any people from mainland China, in UK I studied with people from Hong Kong. Almost all of them talked shit about mainland Chinese. I kept on hearing about how dirty they are, and their filthy habits.

From what I’ve seen Hong Kong people on the whole do not like mainland Chinese. I work at an American firm in Los Angeles and I remember having lunch with a visiting colleague from HK. It blew his mind when I told him that my company had mainland Chinese managers working in the US. He thought of mainlander as simpletons and corrupt thieves who got lucky and made money.

I’ve been to Hong Kong, Shenzhen and Dongguan (full disclosure - only a few days). From what I've seen the quality of women in Shenzhen is way higher than Hong Kong because the women there are from all over China. I remember walking around HK for a couple of hours with 2 American guys and wondering out loud when the hot women were going to appear...

There’s a shit load of whores in Hong Kong too. Many of the foot massage places massage more than just your feet...! I also noticed around some of the main market areas there were stairways with signs saying stuff like “Russian Model” or “Chinese girl” – I don’t think they’re offering language lessons behind those doors…

On a personal level I much prefer the company of mainland Chinese women. They seem to be a lot more down to earth and sweeter than HK women.

(08-16-2015 07:56 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  @chengis

The locals have a derogatory way of addressing foreigners

- Indians, Indian devil
- whites, white devil
- brown, blacks, black devil

Indian – A cha
White – gweilo
Black – hei gwei

I guess some of them talk shit about foreigners but want their old rulers back? I find it hilarious when I see Hong Kongers waving British colonial flags:



Newsflash – the British don’t give a fuck about Hong Kong anymore!

Post: #24

We have different opinions about china and Chinese women, cool.

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(08-17-2015 03:15 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  I guess some of them talk shit about foreigners but want their old rulers back? I find it hilarious when I see Hong Kongers waving British colonial flags:



Newsflash – the British don’t give a fuck about Hong Kong anymore!

This is frequently misunderstood and not so much about "wanting the old rulers back" but more a gesture of disobedience to piss China off ("We hate you so much we'd rather go back to being second class colonial citizens than being ruled by you"). Looking at the current situation it is a very understandable sentiment.

While I generally also disagree with Agreddor's prejudiced views regarding the mainland, at the same time I often notice that expats who have spent significant time on the mainland (but not in HK) somehow feel the need to "defend" the "poor mainlanders" from arrogant, prejudiced HKers who somehow "deserve" the current situation, when in reality they understand as little about HK as many HKers understand about the mainland. In the end, ABCs and expats on both sides can always go back to their respective countries when push comes to shove. The average HKer does not have that option.

Anyway, this is not the place to discuss politics, but I'll add that at least in Taiwan and HK it's not common to see hot women out during the day, which isn't really relevant nor representativei since the hot women all come out at night.