Post: #1

Okay guys, here is the deal. I really don't know how to approach this upcoming meeting tomorrow.

I've been dating this girl for like 2 months now. She's my main girl where I live. I went traveling for 2 weeks recently and obviously notched up girls on that travel. She doesn't know about my adventures (not telling her) while traveling but got emotionally detached from me. She met a beta provider who doesn't know how to escalate but it seems like he managed to get into her pants in the end by being persistent while I was away. I know it and got upset. I appreciated her values since she told me she's not the girl who sleeps around, but apparently do not respect her on that anymore. We're going to meet up to talk about that matter in person. She said she would miss having conversations with me if we just end it up immediately (I'm normally pretty dominant and have inspiring conversations with her). I already made clear that I'm not the guy just settling on a friendship without benefits with her which she asked for. She still seems pretty open to anything though if I set the right frame. But how do I overcome that mental detachment which she experienced during the time I was away? How do I properly blame her without being rude so she feels terribly guilty and unconsciously persuade her to never meet that beta again?
Should I just run standard game like in the beginning even if it might feel awkward? I have to mention though that there are not logistics for the bang this time. I don't want this meetup result in a comforting beta-conversational matter, I do not want to meet her expectations.

How the hell do girls get detached within 2 weeks even though I was a dominant alpha to her presumably unlike any other guy she has ever been dating before?

RedGuard

Post: #2

Sorry to say but the only way you can win this one (or regain power) is if you end it.

1. You already told her you won't do FWB, so that option is out.
2. You were upset when you found out that she slept with someone else while you were away. You definitely won't be ok with it if it happens again, and it will if you take her back.
3. That leaves the 3rd option - end it, say your goodbyes, and move on.

Post: #3

So she cheated on you while you were traveling and you're trying to patch things up?

Tell her to fuck off and you won't be wasting time with her skeezer ass in person.

Post: #4

Thanks for the replies. It seems like there are misunderstandings though.
I told her I won't be her friend who doesn't fuck her. Therefore FWB is an option for me.
Technically she didn't cheat on me, we were in a mini-relationship but we never agreed on exclusivity. She said multiple times that she doesn't sleep around and her values are very important to her. Furthermore she said she wouldn't sleep with anyone else as long as we're together like that.
I don't know when it's considered cheating and when not, but I definitely don't respect her on that matter anymore.
I do "cheat" from time to time but I keep my mouth shut and can control my emotions.
All I really want is to fuck that girl's brain out and don't give her the conversational comfort she's looking for to punish her.

Post: #5

Yeah so do what I said.

Post: #6

(08-30-2015 05:25 PM)RedGuard Wrote:  I told her I won't be her friend who doesn't fuck her. Therefore FWB is an option for me.

Oops, I misread your first post... I stand corrected. But the end result is the same. You cannot regain power by staying with her.

Post: #7

Say you'll forgive her if you have a threesome with her. After it happens, then end it.

Post: #8

You obviously know what you're doing game wise as you get many different Bangs, but you cannot expect a woman to be loyal to you longterm unless you made a significant commitment to her. At the end of the Day, women absolutely must get something out of their twat, at least the smart ones realize it.

I remember a successful PUA named David X that said that no matter how tight your game is, when you have a lot of girls like that they will always leave you when they must secure something, weather it's a marriage, a baby or moving in together with another man. The Beta that you referenced seems to be willing to secure something for her so he got to her while your charming ways were not around.

Even though you lost respect for her because of her actions, she didn't really lie to you, she lied to herself and women are all a bunch of prime Tom Brady's when it comes to that. The security of her twat is the ultimate thing that matters to her, so she'll tell you that she changed from the time she told you she would not mess around with anybody.

She didn't really changed, she just lied to herself when she told you that. Be emotionally ready my friend because most probably this chick will let you know that things are likely over since it's time for her twat to secure something real and Beta boy seems ready to do that. Nothing you can do about it my friend it's part of the game and men like us all know that sometimes it's a tough Game to be part of. You just got to take a few hours to feel bad about it and then you get back to it and get some new leads and game on! I'm sure you already knew all of this but just needed a small reminder. Sometimes we all do!!

Post: #9

Good encouragement guys! Thanks.

I wouldn't be all upset and worried if I live in a pussy paradise. The thing is, the country I live in is the worst ever for PUA. During the summer is the best time. Still I had to invest a whole lot of energy and time to get some decent leads though. That's the reason why I was traveling as well.

But it's getting autumn, the chicks stay in, the weather gets nasty...
I thought I could secure that chick for autumn when I'm gonna be busy otherwise and game-wise there's not much action going on. But I guess I should never take anything for granted...

Post: #10

Chicks stay inside? Move to online game.

Post: #11

(08-30-2015 08:53 PM)Indy Wrote:  Chicks stay inside? Move to online game.

Online game is dead here.

Post: #12

(08-30-2015 05:13 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  So she cheated on you while you were traveling and you're trying to patch things up?

Tell her to fuck off and you won't be wasting time with her skeezer ass in person.

This. Screw that cheating bitch.

The fact that you're even contemplating staying with this chick after she screwed around on you is crazy. For men that is top level disrespect and insulting to the nth degree - you would be insane to put up with her for a second longer. Find a nice girl who treats you like a king because with this current girl you'll just end up as...

Quote:Thanks for the replies. It seems like there are misunderstandings though.
I told her I won't be her friend who doesn't fuck her. Therefore FWB is an option for me.
Technically she didn't cheat on me, we were in a mini-relationship but we never agreed on exclusivity. She said multiple times that she doesn't sleep around and her values are very important to her. Furthermore she said she wouldn't sleep with anyone else as long as we're together like that.
I don't know when it's considered cheating and when not, but I definitely don't respect her on that matter anymore.
I do "cheat" from time to time but I keep my mouth shut and can control my emotions.
All I really want is to fuck that girl's brain out and don't give her the conversational comfort she's looking for to punish her.

Hey man, here's some real talk. Women lie. Don't ever believe a thing a woman says. Take it all with a grain of salt and focus on how she acts, which in this case is extremely poorly. You are way too into this girl and that is the main issue here. Drop her and chalk it up to the game.

Lastly, if you think you are a PUA you will only ever be just a "PUA." This forum and its members teach men to be men. Getting women is just part of that lifestyle.

Post: #13

She lied to you, directly in your face

She fucked some loser whilst you were away for 2weeks.

She tried to actively friend-zone you.

She's gotta go.

You're too hung up on her & it shows by the fact you wanna hang onto the sex (& thus her)

This experience has gotten to you, you admitted that you were upset.
I don't forsee that you can maintain frame, the moment when you're with her, she'll have you're heart.

You're abundance mentality is lacking if you still want those left overs.
I geddit you wanna bang her out & leave on a high.

Its more likely she fucks someone again & things end messily, without sex.
She keeps orbiters around for this exact reason, & there are probably more in the wing.

2months is about the average lifespan of a mini relationship.
The pussy is never yours, its just your turn.

Don't be angry with your turn.
Get back on the bike.

You'll need a better supplement than Online Game.
The Game giveth & The Game taketh away.

After some new notches & a short amount of time, you'll wonder why you even posted this as thread topic.

1026.

Post: #14

Iv been in a similar situation.

If you do meet again the only way to turn this around is to aim for anal and blow your load in her mouth. Let her call you back. However you should actively be looking for her replacement.

Once that barrier has been broken of being the girl who doesn't sleep around she will likely do it again. Hanging on to that image is one of the only things holding them back. She doesn't have that going on with you anymore.

Sounds like you have some hints of oneitus. If you do get on banging terms again then I'd avoid doing anything with her that could strengthen your emotional connection to her. Staying the night with her and doing things outside of fucking are bad for this.

Post: #15

What would concern me if I were you is the fact that she told you at all.

What do you think that says about how she views you? And subsequently, do you still think you were a "dominant alpha"?

Things to ponder, my friend.

Post: #16

I know this is old, but I think you should have just anonymously let the beta know she was effin you still. Let him dump her, which he would do, before it got serious. She would run back to you and you would act completely disinterested and make her beg and grovel for any type of attention, slowly rewarding her for sex until she had learned her place... but never let her win it back... let her know about one of the other plates your spinning (or maybe just always mention the other girl) so that she never feels comfortable or like she got back to where she was with you before... then she won't do it again for fear of losing what she did get back.

Post: #17

My abundance mentality might very well be lacking. Since I discovered this community I was trying hard to set up such a mentality. But still I often get hung up on one girl who I'm having fun with and don't bother about regularly dating other girls at the same time because I'm kinda satisfied.

She's trying to justify herself with an assumption. She assumed that I was going to meet other girls on my travels anyway (Officially I didn't). Based on her assumptions she wanted to take revenge or make me jealous I reckon.

She's the one investing a lot in texting now, she's begging me to meet up. I agreed but made it clear she has to play upon my rules.

Here are the options how this talk is gonna end.

- Listen to her justifications, blame her anyways, tell her to fuck off.
- Listen to her, blame her, be dominant and aggressive, make her obey, escalate all the way to the bang and leave.
- Tell her to dump that beta, play along with my rules so she might get a second chance to be regularly banging me.

I know most senior forum members would for sure prefer option 1 or not even meeting her up. But I kinda like to make a challenge out of it, not sure whether I go for option 2. Option 3 is definitely the most beta way to go I guess.

RedGuard

Post: #18

(08-31-2015 12:13 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  What would concern me if I were you is the fact that she told you at all.

What do you think that says about how she views you? And subsequently, do you still think you were a "dominant alpha"?

Things to ponder, my friend.

Well, I gotta admit I got a bit soft in the end. If a girl is sweet to me (she was indeed before) I'm being nice too. I thought it was enough that I banged her properly (she was always screaming "you fuck me so well!" during sex) and was craving for more.

Post: #19

(08-30-2015 04:51 PM)RedGuard Wrote:   She met a beta provider who doesn't know how to escalate but it seems like he managed to get into her pants in the end by being persistent while I was away. I know it and got upset.

How exactly did you come to know this? Did she tell you?

(08-30-2015 04:51 PM)RedGuard Wrote:  I appreciated her values since she told me she's not the girl who sleeps around, but apparently do not respect her on that anymore. We're going to meet up to talk about that matter in person. She said she would miss having conversations with me if we just end it up immediately (I'm normally pretty dominant and have inspiring conversations with her).

Obviously her word means nothing to her.

Obviously your words "entertain" her and that's the only value she cares about

(08-30-2015 04:51 PM)RedGuard Wrote:  I already made clear that I'm not the guy just settling on a friendship without benefits with her which she asked for. She still seems pretty open to anything though if I set the right frame. But how do I overcome that mental detachment which she experienced during the time I was away? How do I properly blame her without being rude so she feels terribly guilty and unconsciously persuade her to never meet that beta again?
Should I just run standard game like in the beginning even if it might feel awkward? I have to mention though that there are not logistics for the bang this time. I don't want this meetup result in a comforting beta-conversational matter, I do not want to meet her expectations.

Do not meet her in person for some platonic chit chat. You may as well say "Hi I'm a fag...lets' be friends" Metaphorically speaking

You need to go dark on her and ONLY hit her up for booty calls. Once the "tingles" the other beta chode is providing wear off she MIGHT come back around.

(08-30-2015 04:51 PM)RedGuard Wrote:  How the hell do girls get detached within 2 weeks even though I was a dominant alpha to her presumably unlike any other guy she has ever been dating before?

Look at this as a wake up call. Dont go back to sleep

EDIT: "If you learn one thing here tonight let it be this: The power in a relationship lies with whoever cares least" Uncle Wayne (Michael Douglas, GHOSTS OF GIRlFRIENDS PAST

No truer words have ever been spoken even if its from a movie

Post: #20

I finally managed to dump her.
I kind of got hung up on her for a while, for too long.

Post: #21

Well done, sir.

Post: #22

Break case scenario was to walk away

It can be extremely difficult to change her perceptions of you after the die has been cast

Next time just remember the way you come in, is the exact way you go out with most girls

Post: #23

(09-18-2015 11:22 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Next time just remember the way you come in, is the exact way you go out with most girls

Can you elaborate on that?

Post: #24

@RedGuard: what DP meant is, the frame with which you enter a relationship (of any kind) with a woman, will rule the rest of it.

If you entered with an alpha-lover frame, any detour from it will damage your power over her.

If you were dumb to enter with a beta-ish frame, you will rarely if ever be able to move it towards a more dominant frame (just had a recent experience of this).