Post: #1

About me: Ethnically Jamaican with mixed heritage. I'm in graduate school now after a few years of getting my BA. I've been complimented on my looks quite a bit, and haven't really had to work too hard at my game. I just got out of a 3 year relationship, and am back in the game. My abilities have decreased dramatically. I'm far too analytical, polite, and the opposite of entertaining. During my four years of undergrad, I've attempted to procure one of the Asian females on campus to no avail, but I've had successes with all others.

About a week ago, I met a freshman Chinese girl on the bus, she started chatting me up, and I ended up getting her number once we got to our destination. According to Roosh’s scale 1-10, she’s a 7. She was born in China, but moved here when she was 8. She's very social, and passive. Since then, we've been talking, and have gone out twice. The first time out to lunch at a restaurant, the second time to a haunted house. She's been highly consist with her text messaging, but I'm completely unable to read her. She's very different than any girl that I've ever tried gaming before, and I'm not sure what the social cues are to hint that she likes me or that I can make the next step. E.g. At the haunted house, I would try to position/brsuh my hand near/against hers to hold it, and she didn't pick up. At this point in time, she's enthusiastic about hanging out with me when I ask her to, but she doesn't initiate contact without a prompt. I've told her I liked her, and that I had trouble reading her, but she only told me that she was an open book, and that I could read her. Since then, she's held a conversation with me without much effort on my part, but now that the conversation has died, I don't think she'll initiate contact again without me prompting her. She seems to be more tomboyish than the typical female, that or it’s her Asianness. Anyone have any advice on the best way to proceed?

Post: #2

-You took her to lunch - not the greatest move.
-Haunted house - very light kino - no leading her through the haunted house I imagine or holding her.
-She's not "different" than other girls - like you said, you're being too analytical here.

You're over 21 I'm assuming since you're in graduate school. Why haven't you taken her out for a drink ? Get some more 1 on 1 time.

Pull back on the texts unless you know you'll have free time and the logistics to hangout with her. Invite her over, make drinks and dinner, throw on a movie.

Whatever the next date you set - you have to sack up and make a move on her. More kino - go for the makeout.


You aren't making her gina' tingle right now - you gotta excite her. Even you sense her conversation is dying - bad sign.

Invite her out, do something fun and exciting - make some moves on her.


You'll 2 responses
- she'll reject you and say "you're moving too fast" or friend zone you.
-she'll reciprocate what you're doing (kissing) and go from there.

Either way it's a win/win - you know she's attracted to you or you stop wasting time on her.

Post: #3

(10-21-2015 11:26 PM)kaotic Wrote:  -You took her to lunch - not the greatest move.
-Haunted house - very light kino - no leading her through the haunted house I imagine or holding her.
-She's not "different" than other girls - like you said, you're being too analytical here.

You're over 21 I'm assuming since you're in graduate school. Why haven't you taken her out for a drink ? Get some more 1 on 1 time.

Pull back on the texts unless you know you'll have free time and the logistics to hangout with her. Invite her over, make drinks and dinner, throw on a movie.

Whatever the next date you set - you have to sack up and make a move on her. More kino - go for the makeout.


You aren't making her gina' tingle right now - you gotta excite her. Even you sense her conversation is dying - bad sign.

Invite her out, do something fun and exciting - make some moves on her.


You'll 2 responses
- she'll reject you and say "you're moving too fast" or friend zone you.
-she'll reciprocate what you're doing (kissing) and go from there.

Either way it's a win/win - you know she's attracted to you or you stop wasting time on her.

A lot of this. You're bored and you are seeing her as bored, maybe this is your projecting or she's actually bored. It could be that her family's helped her build up some walls as a side effect of their preserving or building an identity in the new land.

In grad school the way to keep your sanity is partying at other campuses, and reciprocating with the friends who host you. In the new hyper safe space campus environment as a grad student the safe ways to get your dick wet consist of grad students in other departments, townies, and undergrads on completely different campuses. Godspeed, because that shit is hell.

It sounds like you are kinda hung up on this girl. You can keep inviting her out and play the kino game until you get the chance to go for the makeout in a place where she has a polite out to take if she wants it. As a grad student moving on a potentially interested undergrad, an out for her isn't enough, the out she can take has to save face for you both. You also have to remember that depending on the length of your program and hers you could be looking at 9 semester in the future where you gotta pray she isn't in a class you TA lest this particular move bite you.

If you really want yellow on your rainbow you can spend the summer chasing Chinoys in the Phillipines, or with winter coming you can get a solid snow shovel and a fuckton of rocksalt. There's prolly a 6/10 Chinese grad student who friendzoned a male who was on her plane that would be happy to spend some time with a man who can work.

Post: #4

One thing stands out about your message..and that's a lack of abundance mentality.

You seem to ALWAYS initiate the texts. That needs to stop asap. Let her text you next time. Let her wonder.

In the mean time, hit on other girls. She's not yet your girlfriend.

Post: #5

I definitely want to know how this plays out. I always thought that Asian women only went for either men of their own race or white men. Good luck to you.

Post: #6

(10-22-2015 09:33 AM)rw95 Wrote:  I definitely want to know how this plays out. I always thought that Asian women only went for either men of their own race or white men. Good luck to you.

It's not about race dude, it's about how you GAME then.

Do you know how many cats on here of different ethnicities have banged Asian girls ?

Do a search on here and you'll find it to be true.

Having assumptions are things you need to remove, don't "always think" that something is a given unspoken rule. Keep an open mind.

Post: #7

No, I think rw95 is right, Asian women are more of an uphill climb for a black man, whereas white women are getting ever easier and more receptive to black men.

I'm white, raised in W. Europe, well-groomed with good manners, I lived on the west coast and had a lot of success with Asian women (too bad I never got yellow fever). I think they tend to go for that more than the bad boy types.

Post: #8

With girls here in China (I can't speak for FOB in USA), 100% of the time if I don't bang in two dates, I never bang (or only bang after considerable effort that takes 6 months to one year).

To respond to this, I have a system. The first date is dinner followed by second venue cocktails. If I get to a hook point, I'll attempt to transport them home (I always meet for dates within walking distance of my home).

If I don't get to a strong hook point or logistics don't allow for a first date bang, I invite them over for the dinner at my place on the second date. If she isn't open to this, she isn't into me and I'm not going to get the bang anyway. At that point, I can safely conclude that she's more interest in being seen in public than in me specifically and I won't further pursue.

Post: #9

(11-01-2015 06:34 PM)Suits Wrote:  With girls here in China (I can't speak for FOB in USA), 100% of the time if I don't bang in two dates, I never bang (or only bang after considerable effort that takes 6 months to one year).

To respond to this, I have a system. The first date is dinner followed by second venue cocktails. If I get to a hook point, I'll attempt to transport them home (I always meet for dates within walking distance of my home).

If I don't get to a strong hook point or logistics don't allow for a first date bang, I invite them over for the dinner at my place on the second date. If she isn't open to this, she isn't into me and I'm not going to get the bang anyway. At that point, I can safely conclude that she's more interest in being seen in public than in me specifically and I won't further pursue.

Our approach to dating in China is strikingly similar.
I don´t even know what to add. That´s how I did it.

Post: #10

Cool thanks guys. Reading your responses helped me to put things into perspective.

So here are the changes that I'm going to make: 1) Isolate and go for the make out (planned for this weekend), see where I can take it from there. 2) Get out a bit, and spread my game out so I'm not too focused on her.

I'll update the thread once I'm either rejected or successful per rw95's request.

Again, thanks for the feedback.

Post: #11

(11-01-2015 06:41 PM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  [quote='Suits' pid='1140640' dateline='1446420862']
With girls here in China (I can't speak for FOB in USA), 100% of the time if I don't bang in two dates, I never bang (or only bang after considerable effort that takes 6 months to one year).

To respond to this, I have a system. The first date is dinner followed by second venue cocktails. If I get to a hook point, I'll attempt to transport them home (I always meet for dates within walking distance of my home).

If I don't get to a strong hook point or logistics don't allow for a first date bang, I invite them over for the dinner at my place on the second date. If she isn't open to this, she isn't into me and I'm not going to get the bang anyway. At that point, I can safely conclude that she's more interest in being seen in public than in me specifically and I won't further pursue.

Do you mean dinner on first date at a restaurant? that would be expensive. ALso the cocktail would be expensive too at a bar.

I would think one should use cheaper methods.

Post: #12

(10-22-2015 09:33 AM)rw95 Wrote:  I definitely want to know how this plays out. I always thought that Asian women only went for either men of their own race or white men. Good luck to you.

Rejected.

Either she was never into me, or we got too high. Nevertheless, number deleted from phone. On to engineering my poosy paradise.

Post: #13

After the first date you should have invited her over to your house. If she's giving you the time of day there's no reason you shouldn't have been able to score. Chinese women are somewhat passive/indirect and the fact that you're a person of color means that you had a real chance. She may not introduce you to her parents but she would definitely be in your bed with her feet trying to touch the ceiling.

Post: #14

(11-10-2015 05:02 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  After the first date you should have invited her over to your house. If she's giving you the time of day there's no reason you shouldn't have been able to score. Chinese women are somewhat passive/indirect and the fact that you're a person of color means that you had a real chance. She may not introduce you to her parents but she would definitely be in your bed with her feet trying to touch the ceiling.

I forgot to mention, the final scene went down like this:

She ended up coming to my house for the weekend. This is after the initial post. I had her secluded. We hung out, watched a movie, got high. There was a little kino. I went for the kiss, she said, "No" about 3 times, and walked out of the room. Then she started acting funny, and then went home. It was the weirdest experience in my entire life. But she hasn't contacted me, nor I her.

Post: #15

(11-11-2015 04:45 PM)AccF428 Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 05:02 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  After the first date you should have invited her over to your house. If she's giving you the time of day there's no reason you shouldn't have been able to score. Chinese women are somewhat passive/indirect and the fact that you're a person of color means that you had a real chance. She may not introduce you to her parents but she would definitely be in your bed with her feet trying to touch the ceiling.

I forgot to mention, the final scene went down like this:

She ended up coming to my house for the weekend. This is after the initial post. I had her secluded. We hung out, watched a movie, got high. There was a little kino. I went for the kiss, she said, "No" about 3 times, and walked out of the room. Then she started acting funny, and then went home. It was the weirdest experience in my entire life. But she hasn't contacted me, nor I her.

The term 'crazy' gets thrown around a lot but sometimes a chick is just that, crazy, and there's no rhyme or reason. The underlying theme of many on this forum is to escalate as far as you can and she's either going to go along with your escalation or leave. You did just that and she chose door number two. I wouldn't devote another second to trying to figure her out. Delete her number and on to the next.

Post: #16

Ah man.

A haunted house is one of the greatest places to just caveman a girl you're with. The whole set up just demands physical contact.

You gotta be more dominant my man.

Post: #17

(11-03-2015 01:13 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

(11-01-2015 06:34 PM)Suits Wrote:  With girls here in China (I can't speak for FOB in USA), 100% of the time if I don't bang in two dates, I never bang (or only bang after considerable effort that takes 6 months to one year).

To respond to this, I have a system. The first date is dinner followed by second venue cocktails. If I get to a hook point, I'll attempt to transport them home (I always meet for dates within walking distance of my home).

If I don't get to a strong hook point or logistics don't allow for a first date bang, I invite them over for the dinner at my place on the second date. If she isn't open to this, she isn't into me and I'm not going to get the bang anyway. At that point, I can safely conclude that she's more interest in being seen in public than in me specifically and I won't further pursue.

Do you mean dinner on first date at a restaurant? that would be expensive. ALso the cocktail would be expensive too at a bar.

I would think one should use cheaper methods.

For the dinner date, I take them to the same place every time. Monday-Thursday that have 50% deals on something every night. I usually do Thursday night for dates because the chicken, steak and ribs are all half-off. I'll tell them to order from that page of the menu and I usually order ice water. They'll order water too because Chinese girls are awesome like that.

Dinner adds up to $15 for two people. She'll usually offer to pay for her meal and I'll tell her no, she can buy the drinks at the next place.

I take her to the drinks venue where it's still happy hour. A limited menu of cocktails is $8 USD a pop. The whole night adds up to about $30...if I pay for everything. However, unless the girl is a simple attention whore who is never going to sleep with me anyway, she usually pays for the drinks, so my total outlay for the evening is about $15. My hourly rate for the work I do is $50.