Post: #1

I realize this question probably gets asked a lot around here, but I've been a lurker around these forums for a couple of years and never really took game seriously until now. Been reading this thread and looked really objectively at my LTR:

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I'm a 27 year old guy, 6'2" and in good shape. I've got a solid job in a big city with my whole life ahead of me, but in an LTR it feels like it's a little soul sucking sometimes.

I'm in a pretty good LTR. She's a solid 7.5 with a great body. Good cooking skills, very feminine, and generally in a pretty good mood for a girl. Never denies me sex. Been with her for over a year and things are good - that amount of time definitely factors into my decision.

Problem is I just have this itching feeling there are hotter girls I can bang. And I just love the freedom of being single I've been in a couple of LTRs in my life and there is NOTHING like the feeling of freedom when you can come home and do anything with no one texting you. It also comes with the accountability that if I go home drunk and alone at closing time, it's my fault - but if I go home with a girl, it's my doing and I can feel some pride in who I've become.

That being said, it's pretty simple to get some on the side, and I don't have much guilt in doing it. The temptation is that I could get MORE girls if I had more time and less sneaking around.

Can anyone comment who has gone from an LTR to being single? Was it worth the strange pussy?

Post: #2

Whatsoever you do wrap it up.

Post: #3

Factor in how old the LTR is. If she's 27 or 28, and you're not serious about her, you might waste her few valuable hot years leading her on.

If she's 21 or 22 and you play her for a year it's not as much a disaster for her.

Post: #4

It is if it's a genuinely doomed for failure LTR, yes, you'll enjoy being free and playing the field again, but it doesn't sound like you're in that situation. Sounds like you might have a great girl with a lot of glue to hold you to her, you've just got an urge to mess around and you want to feel what it's like to bang a model. My married friends tell me the lust to fuck lots of women never truly, fully goes away. That said, if you've got a very fine woman that you think could be your wife and mother of your children and are 27yo, chances are you'll wake up one morning in a couple years wishing you had held onto that woman. Only hardcore, confirmed players who have no desire for relationship/family/children never tire of pussy, 95+% of the rest of us are designed to want a family, hence we eventually get tired of banging random whores. Some guys get tired after 2-3 girls, some after 20-30 girls, but most everyone gets tired of the work you have to put in to live such a lifestyle. You're at an age where you could enjoy that lifestyle for at least the next few years, after that you'll be into your 30s and may very well still have the itch to fuck around, but will have conflicting interests (Read: Roosh's recent article "When Do Men Peak?"). I'm 34 and still have some desire to serial fuck, but I have those conflicting interests, plus I desire family if that's still possible for me and I would not pass on an opportunity to be with a woman that I would have highly favorable odds of succeeding with at that goal. Think it over.

Post: #5

(11-30-2015 11:38 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  It is if it's a genuinely doomed for failure LTR, yes, you'll enjoy being free and playing the field again, but it doesn't sound like you're in that situation. Sounds like you might have a great girl with a lot of glue to hold you to her, you've just got an urge to mess around and you want to feel what it's like to bang a model. My married friends tell me the lust to fuck lots of women never truly, fully goes away. That said, if you've got a very fine woman that you think could be your wife and mother of your children and are 27yo, chances are you'll wake up one morning in a couple years wishing you had held onto that woman. Only hardcore, confirmed players who have no desire for relationship/family/children never tire of pussy, 95+% of the rest of us are designed to want a family, hence we eventually get tired of banging random whores. Some guys get tired after 2-3 girls, some after 20-30 girls, but most everyone gets tired of the work you have to put in to live such a lifestyle. You're at an age where you could enjoy that lifestyle for at least the next few years, after that you'll be into your 30s and may very well still have the itch to fuck around, but will have conflicting interests (Read: Roosh's recent article "When Do Men Peak?"). I'm 34 and still have some desire to serial fuck, but I have those conflicting interests, plus I desire family if that's still possible for me and I would not pass on an opportunity to be with a woman that I would have highly favorable odds of succeeding with at that goal. Think it over.

Pretty much this.

Finding a legit woman is not easy in America; not what I deem to be LTR worthy at least. If you have that, I would think carefully about fucking it up. Women like the one you described are not very common in the US.

For example: One mid 20's chick I was seeing could barely cook but harped often about how she wanted to be a mother/housewife in the near future. She also thought the man after working all day should help her with the cooking and other domestic duties. Another mid 20's chick couldn't cook at all and pretty much ate PBJ sandwiches everyday; she at least hated the idea of having kids and didn't want them. --- This is just a tiny sample of the fairly common bizarre and entitled attitudes you will see if you try dating women in 2015 USA. And that's just on the cooking front; don't get me started on other shit.

That all said, if you have been with this woman for over a year, you should be able or very close to being able to decide if she is Mother of Your Children (MOYC) material at this point (you need to live with each other for a bit to be absolutely sure). Doesn't mean you need to do it right now but I believe LTRs are largely a waste of time unless you see yourself having kids with a chick. Why spend all the time and energy investing in an LTR if family/kids aren't the endgame?

Understand that finding MOYC quality women is exceptionally difficult in the US. Regardless of game, these sort of women do not come about often. They simply don't exist in significant numbers where you can reliably pull a new one after dumping the old one without enduring a large gap of time. Could be months. Could be years. You'll get pussy no problem but another MOYC chick? Could be a long wait.

Even assuming this chick is MOYC material however, it might be the wrong time for you to pump kids out in the near future. At 27, it likely is. If you are new to game, you might need to pump and dump some chicks using newfound game skills to really appreciate what you got. Depends where you are mentally when it comes to women and what you expect in the future.

Don't get me wrong, the itch never totally goes away but having a relationship with a chick who treats you well, cooks you nice meals, has a banging body, makes you feel cherish/number one in her life and passes the MOYC test is a special thing and should not be destroyed without careful examination of what you truly value and what's really at stake.

Post: #6

(11-30-2015 11:14 PM)apoclater Wrote:  I'm in a pretty good LTR. She's a solid 7.5 with a great body. Good cooking skills, very feminine, and generally in a pretty good mood for a girl. Never denies me sex. Been with her for over a year and things are good - that amount of time definitely factors into my decision.

The only thing you are going to learn if you dump this chick and chase others, is that you were foolish. You already have what we are all trying to find.

You are going to be very, very dissapointed with other women.

Post: #7

Do what I do:

I have an LTR of 2 years with an 8, in her mid twenties, her face is a smoke show, she's model skinny, doesn't have big tits or an ass, but has the model body.

She wants kids, she's close to her father, good relationship with her mother, however she is a bartender (works at restaurant bar, not club/regular bar).

I've been constantly banging on the side, I also spin plates, and had 2 other mini LTR's.

If you don't see this girl as wifey or mother material, then it might be time to next her.

You need to figure out if you're just "comfortable" with her (read: safe) OR there is potential to build a family with her.

If you decide there is no future between you two, then do the fadeway from the relationship and then end it.

If you decide she's worthy of a far reaching LTR - then keep her, bang on the side and have a few solid plates so you don't have to go chasing girls constantly.

A few things that might complicate this:
-She lives local to you.
-She lives with you.
-You're very close to her parents.

I know how you feel, there ARE hotter girls you can bang out there, BUT, are they worthy of anything but a fuck ? More than likely the answer is a resounding no.

Yes, you might get bored with the sex with her, get rock hard thinking of another girl, but a whatever erection with your LTR. You fantasize about banging other girls.

Get it out of your system, go out and bang other girls, keep your game tight and your phone on lock. You'll soon find out, that these sluts mostly can't compare to your quality girl, BUT they're fun to fuck.

If you do find another girl that's better than the one you have looks and quality wise, then it might not be a bad idea to dump the girl you have now for the next one.

In the end, it's your decision to make.

Post: #8

(11-30-2015 11:14 PM)apoclater Wrote:  I'm in a pretty good LTR. She's a solid 7.5 with a great body. Good cooking skills, very feminine, and generally in a pretty good mood for a girl. Never denies me sex. Been with her for over a year and things are good - that amount of time definitely factors into my decision.

Being a divorced guy who's mostly sworn off marriage I'm probably the last person to give advice about this but here's my two cents. By all accounts you have the ultimate wife material, almost a unicorn. If you're beyond a shadow of a doubt ok with the fact that you may never meet another woman like her then sure, do whatever you want. But if you're at all contemplating starting a family I would think long and hard before throwing this situation away.

Post: #9

Sounds like a difficult decision. Not sure what i would do. but if shes hot enough to be regularly fucked over such a long time, why stop?
Ready to risk a dry-spell?

Story: I see a girl for some months (4-5 maybe).
She's 10 years younger(30), fitnesscoach & feminine.
A 7 for me. No stress. Sex is good.
I enjoy life/her and keep my eyes open.
Positive-predator-lifestyle.

Work/everday life, city/transport - I see & meet lots of hot women. My job/district is full of them.
Challenges & opportunities everywhere.
"Dump-her" on my mind.

But I can f her 24/7, she's on her toes, gives great head.

Now the christmas-partys arrive. And its like being
a raw-fish-lover at the sushi-circle. Why leave when the fish is good?

Post: #10

Try out some strange asses, but on the side. Then decide what you want to do (or not) with your LTR.

Post: #11

A lot of guys are going to disagree with me. I am not trying to take the moral high-ground here and come off like a dick.

But cheating is not acceptable under any circumstances! I can tell you possess moral fibre since most guys would not have asked this question in the first place and just gone ahead with cheating on their girl.

If you have thoroughly screened this girl and deem her as wifey material who could be a good mother to your kids then set everything aside and behave.
Don't see that happening? Then let her go easy and proceed to fuck other chicks.

A lot of men on the 'sphere go lament the fact that girls cheat or pursue an Alpha fucks/Beta bucks strategy. Then they resort to doing the same.

Your will to bang other girls will never go away just like her instinct to fuck guys who are better than you will always be there. It's all about being a man with self-control and not acting upon those urges just like you would expect your partner to. Be honest with yourself and your girl.

Keep her and stay loyal or let her go immediately.

Post: #12

Think like a hot chick, only drop her after you've upgraded.

Post: #13

Kaotic Wrote:If you decide she's worthy of a far reaching LTR - then keep her, bang on the side and have a few solid plates so you don't have to go chasing girls constantly.

For me, I couldn't roll like that. Being worthy of a far reaching LTR, to me, means I'm going to be just as loyal as I demand she is. Otherwise, what is the incentive for any woman to have the traits that most us here demand and desire? She's doing everything right, you reward good behavior. If you're still going to need to ride the pussy parade, then and LTR isn't for you. In fact I'd say what you describe isn't even an 'LTR', it's making her live in one world, while reality is a different one in which only you benefit.

Every man has to decide what he can and cannot live with, and that is up to himself alone. Saying that, it does 'man' in general no favors when we demand the respect and loyalty of women but do not provide any in return, if that's the game we signed up for.

If we're all playing by the same rules, if it's not a committed relationship, then obviously everything is fair game.

OP, for a girl like you describe, you reward the good behavior or you break it off if you sill want different flavors. There's no reason to stick around if she's doing everything right yet you're not satisfied. You're wasting her time and yours.

What you may find after a period of pussy go round is that it's ultimately not fulfilling.

Post: #14

(12-01-2015 05:16 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Kaotic Wrote:If you decide she's worthy of a far reaching LTR - then keep her, bang on the side and have a few solid plates so you don't have to go chasing girls constantly.

For me, I couldn't roll like that. Being worthy of a far reaching LTR, to me, means I'm going to be just as loyal as I demand she is. Otherwise, what is the incentive for any woman to have the traits that most us here demand and desire? She's doing everything right, you reward good behavior. If you're still going to need to ride the pussy parade, then and LTR isn't for you. In fact I'd say what you describe isn't even an 'LTR', it's making her live in one world, while reality is a different one in which only you benefit.

GM then the men who commit to one woman in a relationship are more honorable then men.

That's a fair observation and I respect any man who commits to one woman, as I've reiterated on here before.

For me, right now, that's just not me. This is the game I live by, it keeps the pussy off the pedestal, keeps me from falling super hard.

I believe it is capable of loving one woman, and just fucking another. Men are capable are keeping physical interaction and emotion separate.

I love my LTR, I do different things with her, my emotions are different.

I enjoy being around my plates, but they know the score, we're just banging and having fun.

IMHO we shouldn't be shoved in one box or another, we should be hybrids, being able to adapt to the modern relationship and marriage. We don't play by the same rules, that's why we discovered and use game, to get an advantage.

I can live with my choices.

Not just locked down to one girl, or just multiple women. There's plenty of players on here who have LTR's yet bang on the side.

I respect your view GM, but we just see things differently here. It doesn't go to say you aren't right, to which a certain extent, you are.

Maybe you're the better man than I am.

Post: #15

Cheat until you get caught and watch how it unfolds it will teach you a lesson on how women really are.

Post: #16

(12-01-2015 05:55 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Cheat until you get caught and watch how it unfolds it will teach you a lesson on how women really are.

I've witnessed this, first hand and as a 3rd party.

Women can flip their emotional switch with a snap of a finger, and go from a loving caring woman to an enraged vengeful cunt in 0-100 real quick.

Post: #17

(12-01-2015 04:33 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  A lot of guys are going to disagree with me. I am not trying to take the moral high-ground here and come off like a dick.

But cheating is not acceptable under any circumstances! I can tell you possess moral fibre since most guys would not have asked this question in the first place and just gone ahead with cheating on their girl.

If you have thoroughly screened this girl and deem her as wifey material who could be a good mother to your kids then set everything aside and behave.
Don't see that happening? Then let her go easy and proceed to fuck other chicks.

A lot of men on the 'sphere go lament the fact that girls cheat or pursue an Alpha fucks/Beta bucks strategy. Then they resort to doing the same.

Your will to bang other girls will never go away just like her instinct to fuck guys who are better than you will always be there. It's all about being a man with self-control and not acting upon those urges just like you would expect your partner to. Be honest with yourself and your girl.

Keep her and stay loyal or let her go immediately.

That my friend is the advice that you should fallow in your case, but it's also the hardest. Giving up on guaranteed quality pussy to go play the Game is not an easy decision to make. Sorry to brake it down to you like this, but no matter what you choose to do, it will be hard.

You've always been a LTR kinda guy, so you never went through that frivolous time when you just have fun and Bang left and Right! If you want to go through that period of being frivolous, you have to respect your Girl and drop her and tell her why.

This game ain't easy, but if you want to be part of it, then be part of it for real and be single all the way. When you'll get the frivolous out, then you can go back to being in a LTR without a shadow of a doubt that you'll be faithful all the way. Another option is doing 3some with your girl, but I've got a feeling that you're not that kind of guy.

We're always the first one to bash on these Bitches that cheat on their man and all, so we have to hold ourselves to the same standard. Don't be the guy that gets side pussy in his Girl's back. I call that playing the Game with a safety Jacket on, having pussy on deck... just in case if... Nah Brah! If you ain't pulling...then you ain't eating! That's playing the Game!

Post: #18

A couple months ago i went through this.. I'm 27, had an LTR for over 1 year, she was great. The only issue was that she was already 30 (looked like she was 21 though since she's Asian). The itch to bang new girls was too powerful so I broke up with her. It was hard at first but I'm very glad I did it. Now I'm meeting lots of new girls that I wouldn't have met otherwise. None of the girls I've been with since my ex were as good as her in terms of looks or personality, but it's only a matter of time until I meet a younger, cooler girl than her. Definitely break up with her if you're not ready for it. I see my mid 30's as being my prime years. I'd hate to be in my prime and stuck with a girl who is already old... nothing beats teenage pussy.

Post: #19

(12-01-2015 06:25 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 05:55 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Cheat until you get caught and watch how it unfolds it will teach you a lesson on how women really are.

I've witnessed this, first hand and as a 3rd party.

Women can flip their emotional switch with a snap of a finger, and go from a loving caring woman to an enraged vengeful cunt in 0-100 real quick.

And then turn around real fast. Why? Who here has experience?

Post: #20

Ya see what you think is not what is. You need to be in these life experiments to learn and understand which some may call red pill.
You may think your girl could freak out but she's in most cases wanting to freak and start dishing better tail on your ass for many different reasons.

As a man you need to see this unfold. It may get ugly but stand tall no fucks givin.

Post: #21

Cheat. If you do it right she'll never find out.

Post: #22

(12-01-2015 10:57 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 06:25 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 05:55 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Cheat until you get caught and watch how it unfolds it will teach you a lesson on how women really are.

I've witnessed this, first hand and as a 3rd party.

Women can flip their emotional switch with a snap of a finger, and go from a loving caring woman to an enraged vengeful cunt in 0-100 real quick.

And then turn around real fast. Why? Who here has experience?

Because they crave drama, they crave attention, they want to be on an emotional rollercoaster.

One minute they love, one minute they hate you, the other minute they're begging for you back.

Bitches-are-fucking-CRAZY.

Post: #23

I had the same thoughts as you in the past.
A real man can't be with only one woman the whole time.

Tell her that you probably gonna cheat on her in the future and she should accept that if she wants a happy family.

If she accepts that then keep her, if she goes nuts dump her.

Post: #24

@OP,

Like a couple others said above: been there drowned like that.

First, don't feel bad about this tough decision.
It's a common dilemma in the awakening process and a sign of your recent healthy mental push to greater awareness & happiness. You're on the way to an informed tough decision which may or may not end well but at least you are the one to decide. Remember you're the ONLY captain of the ship. You can co-captain her or drop her. That's immense power there so start feeling good about it!

The essential issue is that you're already in a verbal/assumed contract set by society's norms.
You have to be loving, caring, understanding, straightforward (should you decide to pursue greener pussies) and honest - till death do you apart.
Recent ADDENDUM (sweeteners) made deal even better: now you get to come back home and help with cooking cleaning or any other dream chore you can imagine. Equal partners after all.

Bound by gentleman's code you are also obliged to make your intention NOT to co-pilot her in a timely manner so that she can make alternative arrangements with a competitor airline if necessary.
You are NOT to insunate silent co-pilotting and cheekily eject her over the Atlantic. There is a probability she might not survive the hard impact. There are also documented cases of ejected girl coming back boomerang style and destroying the main engine seriously harming the pilot.

Look at you.

27.
City life.
Healthy.
Gainfully employed -- lol phrase
Game aware - enough to pull 7.5 and just beginning with the awakening!

Wow man!

You have immense potential to bang a thousand chicks in the next 30 years.

Or you can bang one.

Two almost equally enticing choices, don't you think?

NO, NOT EVEN CLOSE. Otherwise you wouldn't be here now would you?

As shit gets real... You're beginning to realise the norm and the assumed contract you're bound by is giving you some but in return expect you to give some back.

What you give back is a lot.
You don't want to give back.
We know that and we understand it's common!
It's also against your nature on a physiological level: you are a bee designed to seed many flowers.
You wanna fuck a single flower sure the more flowers for us.
But there's another way - how's this for a suggestion: Don't give some back. Take it all.

It ain't easy and sure ain't for everybody.
When it's for you, it's not forever either.
But today, it is for you. That's the urge made you post anyway.

Heed your early warning system dear pilot.
Eject her over at an appropriate location and altitude along with a parachute. Help her land soft.

Legal notice:
10 years later if and when you bump into her in a shopping center with your latest 10 in your arm you won't feel bad seeing her with her kid, right? You got the ten dude!

Post: #25

(11-30-2015 11:14 PM)apoclater Wrote:  I realize this question probably gets asked a lot around here, but I've been a lurker around these forums for a couple of years and never really took game seriously until now. Been reading this thread and looked really objectively at my LTR:

/thread-52003.html

I'm a 27 year old guy, 6'2" and in good shape. I've got a solid job in a big city with my whole life ahead of me, but in an LTR it feels like it's a little soul sucking sometimes.

I'm in a pretty good LTR. She's a solid 7.5 with a great body. Good cooking skills, very feminine, and generally in a pretty good mood for a girl. Never denies me sex. Been with her for over a year and things are good - that amount of time definitely factors into my decision.

Problem is I just have this itching feeling there are hotter girls I can bang. And I just love the freedom of being single I've been in a couple of LTRs in my life and there is NOTHING like the feeling of freedom when you can come home and do anything with no one texting you. It also comes with the accountability that if I go home drunk and alone at closing time, it's my fault - but if I go home with a girl, it's my doing and I can feel some pride in who I've become.

That being said, it's pretty simple to get some on the side, and I don't have much guilt in doing it. The temptation is that I could get MORE girls if I had more time and less sneaking around.

Can anyone comment who has gone from an LTR to being single? Was it worth the strange pussy?

If you're 27 then your future wife is between about 5-10 yo right now