Post: #1

Hey, I'm 22 Y\O from Israel.
My story is a very unique and strange one, please bare with me, it's 100% real. It's the first time im telling it anywhere.

I was born in Eastern Europe, and moved to Israel as baby. (Speaking Hebrew, Russian fluently), I have VERY high IQ (Top 0.05%).

My family are from Jerusalem and whats called "Haredim"\Hasidic:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...ooklyn.jpg

For me it meant:
-Only boys in my school
-No interent connection (avoiding "temptation")
-Almost no Math or English in school, 80% Bible learning.
-No real life expirience (girls, alcohol, parties)

BREAK POINT: I was supposed to agree to an arranged marriage with a girl i didn't want to + Didn't like to live the way i "suppose to".

Long story short: Moved out, stopped dressing like a clown, got a job at a SEO company (minimum wage), Got passioned about web developing (PHP) and SEM (adwords/facebook ads), Saved about 4k$, quit my job, stated a new business online, first 8 months = 0 revenue (Actually i lost about 6$k), made 200k$ few months ago.
I still make 4-8k$ passive with google adsense.
I'm able to help my parents financially which kinda cooled down the situation bwtween (I'm the only 1 our of 6 that "betray god") + coverend their mortgage.

Money was priority #1 for me, and i feel im at a very good place right now. I thought that'll "fix me". I was wrong.
But there's one thing that driving me crazy right now: LACK OF REAL LIFE EXPIRIENCE, especially with girls. Money cany buy it for me.

I never even kissed a girl, barely had interactions with girls.
I'd say Im a very good looking guy, but my lack of expirience is stopping me.
I had a chance with a girl from work but my lack of expirience in bed, or even kissing, freeze me, im afraid of making a joke of myself. I'm "cold" to people because of that. I have 0 confidence when its coming to being intimate with somebody.

I've neve been with a girl, never drank alcohol, never been in a party, never traveled, never had normal friends (only people im in contact with are people from my "previous" lifestyle).

It's hard for me to go out, i dont have anybody to go out with, end even there, im a 22 y\o with 0 expirience in that scene.

I have no obligations, I'm location-indepentdent. Yet i just feel "stuck" inside myself.

Seriously...
I even thought of ordering a hooker here in my town, to get it out of my system, but I'm too embarrassed.

I'm asking for advice because i have no idea what else to do.

Should I travel somewhere? Should i force myself doing things that are frightening to me?

I would really appriciate a real advice guys. Thank you.

Post: #2

Post: #3

Go to a co ed university and learn about people through experience.

Post: #4

You sound insecure about your lack of experience with women. Don't start off with hookers, it will only reinforce your negative image of yourself. You might get into the mindset that a woman would only sleep with you if you pay her, don't get in that rut. Women will pick up on your insecurity and it will be harder for you to attract them.

I think your main focus should be on being happy with yourself. Your happiness should come from within, and you shouldn't feel the need to compare yourself to other guys to judge how you're doing. Once you've found your backbone, the rest will follow.

I would focus on doing things that improve how you see yourself and build your confidence first. The easiest place to start is the gym. Find a good program, like starting strength and stick to it. There are lots of threads here regarding this. Within 2 weeks you'll notice improvements. Now when you look in the mirror, you'll see a body that women find sexy, and it will have multiple positive effects. It's good for your health and increases your attractiveness. Your testosterone will increase, improving your confidence and satisfaction. It's easy to make improvements, and you will get both psychological and physiological benefits. The improvements you see will give you momentum to make the other changes. All you have to do is show up and do the work.

Next find advice on improving your self confidence. Search the forums for related threads. BeyondBorders has posted a lot of good information on this. Some of the advice may sound new agey, but it may work. Can't hurt to try at least. Look up how to walk with swagger, and have masculine posture. Don't slouch, be upright, keep your shoulders back. Be aware of it and keep doing it until it's natural. It will feel awkward and uncomfortable at first, but eventually it'll stick. Having high self confidence will translate into all your social interactions and make everything better.

Once you feel that you've got a high opinion of yourself, focus on meeting people and talking to women. Now you can start learning about the mechanics and logistics of getting women into your bed. Do you like Asian women? Southeast Asia, especially the Philippines is the easiest place to attract women. It's been described as playing the game on easy. There are lots of threads on this, again you can search the forums for more info. If you are a young, in shape guy with a modicum of social ability, you should have no problem attracting women there.

Once you've been able to attract a handful of women, your self confidence should skyrocket. Don't be surprised if you have a difficult time building a connection with the women there. The average IQ in PI is 85 so the IQ gap will be quite large. You can always go other places afterwards. Once you've seen how easy it can be and had some positive experiences with women, it'll translate into all your future interactions with women. You'll know that you have options, and you don't have to beg for it.

From there, the sky is pretty much the limit. With your passive income, you are already ahead of a lot of us here. I have to give you respect for having the willpower to do that on your own.

Post: #5

(12-09-2015 08:50 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

no.

(12-09-2015 08:57 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Go to a co ed university and learn about people through experience.

I thought about it, but I think university is a waste of time for me. A long process. I have the time and money to escalate that for me.

(12-09-2015 09:00 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  You sound insecure about your lack of experience with women. Don't start off with hookers, it will only reinforce your negative image of yourself. You might get into the mindset that a woman would only sleep with you if you pay her, don't get in that rut. Women will pick up on your insecurity and it will be harder for you to attract them.

I think your main focus should be on being happy with yourself. Your happiness should come from within, and you shouldn't feel the need to compare yourself to other guys to judge how you're doing. Once you've found your backbone, the rest will follow.


I am pretty happy with myself, really. I know how to be honest with myself, If i was'nt happy with myself I'd know i have to deal with it. I love my "looks", love my "wits", i love my achievments in life, I really started from the bottom with banks not giving me a looan to extend my rent, to a point im no longer worried about money. I did everything by my own and took some really hard "punches" a long the way but i was determined to keep going. Which makes me proud.

It's only my "starting point" which is little bit make me insecure. It's the "first step" that hard for me to take, because i may have the money and the wil power, but i dont have expirience or even friends. I dont compare myself to others. In fact, I'm really happy with my pregoress in the last 2 years. Most people my age going to university\working in a job they hate. Mostly I'm feeling like "Mowgli moving from the jungle to the city"

I would focus on doing things that improve how you see yourself and build your confidence first. The easiest place to start is the gym. Find a good program, like starting strength and stick to it. There are lots of threads here regarding this. Within 2 weeks you'll notice improvements. Now when you look in the mirror, you'll see a body that women find sexy, and it will have multiple positive effects. It's good for your health and increases your attractiveness. Your testosterone will increase, improving your confidence and satisfaction. It's easy to make improvements, and you will get both psychological and physiological benefits. The improvements you see will give you momentum to make the other changes. All you have to do is show up and do the work.

Forgot to mention, I'm going to the gym for 2 months already (after reading here). I love seeing the progress. It defently gives you a confidence boost, but i think i already have "that" kinda confidence.

Next find advice on improving your self confidence. Search the forums for related threads. BeyondBorders has posted a lot of good information on this. Some of the advice may sound new agey, but it may work. Can't hurt to try at least. Look up how to walk with swagger, and have masculine posture. Don't slouch, be upright, keep your shoulders back. Be aware of it and keep doing it until it's natural. It will feel awkward and uncomfortable at first, but eventually it'll stick. Having high self confidence will translate into all your social interactions and make everything better.

Once you feel that you've got a high opinion of yourself, focus on meeting people and talking to women. Now you can start learning about the mechanics and logistics of getting women into your bed. Do you like Asian women? Southeast Asia, especially the Philippines is the easiest place to attract women. It's been described as playing the game on easy. There are lots of threads on this, again you can search the forums for more info. If you are a young, in shape guy with a modicum of social ability, you should have no problem attracting women there.

Once you've been able to attract a handful of women, your self confidence should skyrocket. Don't be surprised if you have a difficult time building a connection with the women there. The average IQ in PI is 85 so the IQ gap will be quite large. You can always go other places afterwards. Once you've seen how easy it can be and had some positive experiences with women, it'll translate into all your future interactions with women. You'll know that you have options, and you don't have to beg for it.

From there, the sky is pretty much the limit. With your passive income, you are already ahead of a lot of us here. I have to give you respect for having the willpower to do that on your own.

Thanks, I also considered Thailand from what i read here.

Post: #6

it's hard to resist temptation. I guess you know why they forbid you access the Internet - this shit does bring it really so i'm gonna say: sorry but no won't "bare" with you. it's only for girls
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/bare-or-bear-with-me/

you rejected the claim above however that's a fact you do look like trolling, maybe not your fault, just like any seriously out of normal distribution story is... but let's give you benefit of doubt, worst comes to worst, the next rich but purity level inexperienced genious Hasidic guy around here can benefit from this advice I suppose. I estimate we get one at every Halley's Comet visit....

on topic:
I would suggest actually having some sex ASAP (tomorrow night) as you put it "to get it out ouf your system". you know yourself, if you're weak in resisting temptation, don't do it though, it might get a bit addictive. once it's out of system (this weekend) go out from early morning, have breakfast/lunch/dinner out and have coffee, beer, whatever all day long out. go to bookstore. talk to as many peolpe as you can. sex is the end of a normally long journey. you need to start somewhere and guess where all journeys begin. yup. with the first step, which can be a HELLO.
you need to get good at opening (stopping people without getting slapped/punched) and making conversation.
you won't be able to do this unless you start practising - a lot.

get some audiobooks and listen all day long as you have breakfast/lunch/dinner, coffee/beer/whatever. you want information overload and a matching activity overload. for every minute you invest in reading/listening/watching "game" material, you should be out investing a corresponding minute to actually practising it (to avoid Einstein-like monkey syndrome who knows it all but can't do sht).

when leaving the house (this coming Saturday 0900) tell yourself I am gonna be rejected so many times today (even when you say "hi how is it going" - they might just walk away making a face -- full of dbags and mentally challenged people out there) and it's a good thing. every rejection is a strangers tip to your Game knowledge box. learn what you can, and move on. open the tipbox the next day. don't stand in the middle of street trying to open your tipbox getting upset if it's just a penny in there. you never know, a tip you get today might help you 2 years down the line with a difficult situation. build experience, as much as you can, as fast as you can. talk to one hundred day on Saturday if you can. push it, reach your physical limits.

suggestions a.k.a. criticism on another matter: make your 1st post above the last time you post/mention you are 1. rich 2. super intelligent.
#1 will make people want to milk you.
#2 will make people less friendly to you.
understand intelligence comes in domains. taking your word, you might indeed be genius enough to be one of the 4029 big brains in Israel BUT you're probably one of the last 4029 in other domains so drop the subject. let your intelligence turn to wisdom at astonishing speed (should be easy enough for you) and then impress people in its new form.

Post: #7

(12-09-2015 08:29 AM)ceowannabe Wrote:  Should i force myself doing things that are frightening to me?

Yes.

The only way to get over your fears and to begin is to take action.

A long time ago when I first got into game, read all the books out there, one of the first times I approached a girl I didn't do much 'right', but I approached- with confidence. Turns out thats 90% of the battle.

And guess what? Turned out she was 18, she liked to be choked, and to be banged in various public places. Is that going to happen with the first girl you approach? Probably not, but if you never try you'll never have a chance to find out. If I didn't give it shot I wouldn't have banged an extremely hot piece of ass:



Use that as motivation to approach.

Post: #8

(12-09-2015 08:29 AM)ceowannabe Wrote:  Hey, I'm 22 Y\O from Israel.
My story is a very unique and strange one, please bare with me, it's 100% real. It's the first time im telling it anywhere.

I was born in Eastern Europe, and moved to Israel as baby. (Speaking Hebrew, Russian fluently), I have VERY high IQ (Top 0.05%).

My family are from Jerusalem and whats called "Haredim"\Hasidic:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...ooklyn.jpg

For me it meant:
-Only boys in my school
-No interent connection (avoiding "temptation")
-Almost no Math or English in school, 80% Bible learning.
-No real life expirience (girls, alcohol, parties)

BREAK POINT: I was supposed to agree to an arranged marriage with a girl i didn't want to + Didn't like to live the way i "suppose to".

Long story short: Moved out, stopped dressing like a clown, got a job at a SEO company (minimum wage), Got passioned about web developing (PHP) and SEM (adwords/facebook ads), Saved about 4k$, quit my job, stated a new business online, first 8 months = 0 revenue (Actually i lost about 6$k), made 200k$ few months ago.
I still make 4-8k$ passive with google adsense.
I'm able to help my parents financially which kinda cooled down the situation bwtween (I'm the only 1 our of 6 that "betray god") + coverend their mortgage.

Money was priority #1 for me, and i feel im at a very good place right now. I thought that'll "fix me". I was wrong.
But there's one thing that driving me crazy right now: LACK OF REAL LIFE EXPIRIENCE, especially with girls. Money cany buy it for me.

I never even kissed a girl, barely had interactions with girls.
I'd say Im a very good looking guy, but my lack of expirience is stopping me.
I had a chance with a girl from work but my lack of expirience in bed, or even kissing, freeze me, im afraid of making a joke of myself. I'm "cold" to people because of that. I have 0 confidence when its coming to being intimate with somebody.

I've neve been with a girl, never drank alcohol, never been in a party, never traveled, never had normal friends (only people im in contact with are people from my "previous" lifestyle).

It's hard for me to go out, i dont have anybody to go out with, end even there, im a 22 y\o with 0 expirience in that scene.

I have no obligations, I'm location-indepentdent. Yet i just feel "stuck" inside myself.

Seriously...
I even thought of ordering a hooker here in my town, to get it out of my system, but I'm too embarrassed.

I'm asking for advice because i have no idea what else to do.

Should I travel somewhere? Should i force myself doing things that are frightening to me?

I would really appriciate a real advice guys. Thank you.

OP, congratulations on breaking free from the life your parents had in mind for you, that won't have been easy.
I have to start with advising you to not mention you're in the top 0.05% highest IQ, it makes you sound like you have Asperger Syndrome (if you do, I'm not trying to make fun of you), or you're trying to impress us. I'll assume it's just your way of giving us full info to understand your background and problem.

In principle here's nothing wrong with with being a 22 yr virgin.
There are plenty of guys that were fucking hotties when they were 21 but now wake up to some bitching woman that gained 20 kilos in the past 5 years. I'd say you came to the right place (RVF) at the right time. The best is yet to come!

I strongly advise you not to go to a prostitute for your first time. Not that I think prostitution is wrong, or that I think it's damaging to get your first time there. But because I think your problem isn't the sex (or maybe even escalating to sex). I think your problem is the (basic) interaction that gets you into a position where you can escalate. Sleeping with a prostitute could make you less nervous about the sex, but I doubt it would do you any good next time you see a girl you want to connect with. Also this urge to have sex can be a powerful drive to start gaming.

You're on the right track with working out, I don't work out (much) myself, but I'm a strong believer in working out and staying fit. Apart from the obvious reasons, when we are physically active our body makes hormones/chemicals that make us feel better, sleep better, more balanced and confident.
Some Roman writer: Mens sana in corpore sano (a healthy mind in a healthy body).

As others mentioned you need to start approaching women. I don't care if it's out in a bar, supermarket, street, party, or even online. But you need to start to interact with girls. I understand you might have to force yourself a bit, and you will get turned down, but you'll learn (use the forum to get feedback about your approaches and interaction) and improve. Try to keep it fun and light.

Since you mention you lack male friends, and don't go out, never drank etc. It would be great if you could get a wingman/buddy. Some of my fondest memories of being 22 were with my friends. And you could learn a lot from seeing another guy and getting direct feedback/tips. Sometimes you'll get a kiss/bang by proxy (with the friend of the girl your wingman is hooking up with)

About travel or not.
Being 22 and having location independent income there's a whole world for you to discover. Southeast Asia is great fun. Apart from the usual (thailand), I wonder how you would like Singapore and the women there, they speak proper English, and I remember meeting some girls there that were both very cute and intelligent.

Brazil is also great, and speaking Russian you have lot's of options. Israeli's can't go to Muslim countries, right? Apart from Indonesia and Malaysia, you're probably not missing much. Which leaves pretty much everywhere else (although some might say don't go to USA/UK/Canada).

Post: #9

I hate to say this but your quickest route from zero to hero might be a dating coach. Check out james Marshall natural seduction. You have the cash so just pay someone to sort your shit out...

Post: #10

Quote:BREAK POINT: I was supposed to agree to an arranged marriage with a girl i didn't want to + Didn't like to live the way i "suppose to".

What was wrong with this girl?

Post: #11

You need to work on improving yourself:
1) Hit the gym.
2) Buy some good clothes. Check out the latest trends and you can copy guys who you can see are banging the hot women.
3) Life experience. This is massive go travelling somewhere. I suggest you go travelling for a month (if not 3) to Thailand and gain experience in meeting new people and trying to bang women.
4) Read this forum religously. I would recommend some books such as Roosh Bang and Day Bang and No More Mr Nice Guy. Watch the free content on Youtube such as from RSD they have some good stuff on inner game.
5) Develop a social circle in Tel Aviv or wherever you live. I hear it's pretty easy to get laid over there.
6) Sign up to online platforms such as Tinder to at least gain experience in talking to women even on a virtual level. It will help tremendously on text game which is vital for any player.
7) Make a habit out of this and you will be successful. It will feel like shit initially but it will be worth it in the long run. You are only 22, you have plenty of time.
8) Banging a whore will make you better at sex as in you'll know what to do better and be less nervous. I'm in two minds of whether to recommend it or not I would lean towards no.

Post: #12

(12-13-2015 02:24 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  You need to work on improving yourself:
5) Develop a social circle in Tel Aviv or wherever you live. I hear it's pretty easy to get laid over there.

Thanks man but this my 1# problem, I didnt go to school with any "normal" dudes. I didn't serve in the army like all Israelis. I was raised away from that. The only time im kinda interacting with "normal" dudes is in the gym, small talk.
I just dont know how\where can i develop more deep relationship than. Like.. it feels weird to ask someone "Wanna go to XYZ wih me?" (Especially with me not being anywhere interesting in my life basically)

(12-13-2015 12:39 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

Quote:BREAK POINT: I was supposed to agree to an arranged marriage with a girl i didn't want to + Didn't like to live the way i "suppose to".

What was wrong with this girl?

Its not about her. I just didn't want to be poor sheep, dressed with same clown clothes, have 85694 poor kids and pray 58645694 times a day.


Thanks guys.
Only reason i mentioned im very intellegent is to make it logical to you on how i made such a big progress money-wise. I didnt want to cous on that.

I feel like in business, i need to approach it the way i usually approach things:logically: Make a to do list --> organize it -> based on the list, start hustling.

I'm not sure on where to go first.. Phillippines or Thailand? the advantage of Phillippines is they speak English and it will be much easier to communicate with a girl, I read in Thailand its rare for girls to speak English.

After Asia i plan maybe go to Ukraine as i speak Russian fluently and hopefully will have more confidence after being in Asia.

Post: #13

(12-09-2015 08:29 AM)ceowannabe Wrote:  I've neve been with a girl, never drank alcohol, never been in a party, never traveled, never had normal friends (only people im in contact with are people from my "previous" lifestyle).

(12-09-2015 09:28 AM)ceowannabe Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 08:57 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Go to a co ed university and learn about people through experience.

I thought about it, but I think university is a waste of time for me. A long process. I have the time and money to escalate that for me.

I agree with WIA. You need to immerse yourself in an environment where you are surrounded by other people your age. If you don't want to go to university then move next to one, live with students, get a membership to the university's gym, do everything you can to be part of the university without taking classes.

Post: #14

Why not go to both? You're young and you have passive income, so you've got the option to explore where you want. If you go someplace and find it not to your liking, you can go somewhere else. You can make your own rules now.

If you're new to travel and decide to go to the Philippines, you may want to read some of the early posts in Roccker's newbie trip thread in the travel section regarding safety.

If you have good self esteem, a good opinion of yourself, and enough confidence, then you may want to focus on providing value to others next. This will help you build a social circle, build comfort with women, and develop friendships. Lots of threads on the forum you can search for on that topic.

Post: #15

(12-09-2015 08:57 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Go to a co ed university and learn about people through experience.

I second that. You're 22. Take university classes that attract a lot of women (sociology, artsy classes, psychology, etc NOT math/engineering.) Among classes with women, choose classes that interest you (you may hate sociology and love art history,or vice versa.) You need not become a full time student,part time is ok. And live close to the university. A room in an apartment shared with other students will be of much help socially, musch more helpful than your own apartment (which you can afford.)

Focus on making friends (male and female,popular, unpopular, fat, ugly,thin,handsome, beautiful.) Making male friends will be easier, and you will meet females through them. Also by focusing on being friendly with everyone you avoid coming across someone who just pursues "hot" women.

You need not compromise your values by consuming alcohol. It will make no difference to others, as long as you don't preach ormake a big deal about it. May even help to be the "designated driver."