Post: #1

Rules of Money and Game

Thankfully, God hath blessed your buddy Hank, and he has a couple dollars. When I first got into game, I figured that alone would set me apart. To my surprise, having money isn't all that helpful. In fact, when done wrong, it can inhibit your game.

Nowadays I run mostly social circle game. I keep two main groups of friends - my "professional" friends, and my "degenerate" friends. Surprisingly, my degenerate friends tend to get laid a lot more by way hotter girls. I still find myself learning game from them.

It's my professional friends who are usually coming to me with questions like "Hank, how do you score so much poon? You just get laid all the time because you have money!" Nothing could be further from the truth.

These are generally my rules of engagement when it comes to money and women:

1. Only take women who you've already banged out to a nice dinner or on vacations. Not to impress them, but because you feel like having a nice dinner or going on vacation. It's not beta to want a steak and some company to enjoy it with. I'll pick up the tab because I know she can't afford it, and I'm dying for a good steak. That said, fancy dinners do not get you laid. They do drain your wallet.

2. Do not ever lead with money, especially early in the relationship. Some cool chick on OkCupid responded to your message and agreed to a date? You look like the biggest fucking dork by making reservations at the City's finest restaurant, getting a bottle of fancy champaign, and blowing $500. When you start throwing cash at her, it sends the message that you're such a dork that you have nothing else to offer than your wallet. Take her to a dive bar near your house or a coffee shop. I don't care how much money you have.

3. You do not need money to get laid. Plenty of bartenders, servers, tattoo artists, skateboarders, "I don't have a job", and generally lovable degenerates consistently score top notch poon. There are many women who will spend the evening eating steak with you, and then spend the night over at the bartender's house. If you're broke, don't let that stop you from gaming chicks even for a second. My most broke buddies get laid all the time. "Hank, I banged that hot chick last night." "Bro, nice!" "Um, dude, can I borrow your car? Mine ran out of gas..."

4. Life isn't fair. I know, you went to school for a million years and worked hard for that six figure career. Women should be throwing themselves at you, your BMW, and your cool house. Instead she's still dating that guy who kinda sorta has a job. Well, guess what? If you're only as cool as your possessions, chances are she sees that. Having a few dollars and being professionally successful does not directly translate into bangs. It just doesn't.

5. Women have no respect for a guy who indulges their every whim. She wants a Coach bag? Tiffany jewelry? Vacation to the Bahamas? Great, she can get a real career and buy it for herself. If you're trying to "buy her love", chances are you're overpaying for what the bartender gets for a few shots of Fireball and some laconic humor. If she likes your BMW, but not you, expect to be cheated on. Any idiot can buy a BMW.

6. Money can actually inhibit your game. One of the biggest mistakes I see with my professional friends is this - on the inside, they're dorks, so they try and make up for it by throwing around cash. While they think it makes them look cool, it actually makes them look dorkier. They take average looking women out to fine dinners, buy them jewelry, and even take them on vacations. Sometimes prior to even getting the bang. Oddly, one of the biggest ways to turn off women is to throw money at them. Take them out to lavish dinners, buy them presents, etc. If you're throwing money at women, it sends the message that their time is so valuable that you're willing to pay for it. Are you that big of a loser that you need to throw cash at 7s just to keep their attention? Instead, focus on getting in shape and learning game. Otherwise you're overpaying for poon.

7. Women are ruthless. True story - I'm on a trip to Vegas with some hot lady friends. We go into a bar, and some guys bring them into VIP, bottle service, all that jazz. These dudes must have dropped $1k, at least. The girls enjoy their drinks, have a great time, and then leave with the guys they came with. Case in point - women have no scruples about enjoying that steak dinner or bottle service and giving up nothing in return. As far as they're concerned, they're entitled to presents and free drinks from men willing to foot the bill for it. Are you that guy?

8. White Knighting. Her phone is going to get shut off, electric is going off, and her car is going to get repossessed. If only some masculine male would step up and "do the right thing" by helping her out from her own bad decisions. He would be a savior! Just... no. Paying a woman's bills just makes you a giant blubbering vagina. Do not ever do this under any circumstances ever for any reason ever. If you want to throw money away, donate it to the RVF (an actual good use of your money). Paying a loser women's bills isn't a ticket to get laid. Chances are she will enjoy your money while banging the baby daddy who put her there in the first place.

9. Three date maximum. "Hank, bro, I've taken this girl out on ten dates, and I've paid for everything. Do you think I should move in for the kiss?" If you haven't banged a girl after three dates maximum, you're DOA. She's either attracted to you, or she's not. First or second date should result in a kiss, third a bang. Anything more and you're wasting time and money. Sorry. I've seen my professional friends take girls on dozens of dates with nothing but a peck on the cheek. Stop wasting your money.

10. Your money is for you. Got cash? Buy that AR-15, new set of speakers, or a motorcycle. Better yet, save it and invest it. Once you've got game, women are a replaceable commodity. They're not worth throwing a lot of cash it, nor is it necessary. Instead, use money to enrich your life. You can get laid with a few shots of Fireball, just like your bartender buddy. Women are simply not worth throwing cash at.

Post: #2

Excellent thread... I just gave you a rep point.

I live in a place with tons of super rich people. Almost always, the guys who use money to get women end up with dominant, gold digging, wenches who push them around and add nothing of value besides their looks.

Post: #3

Another money vs game thread is it?

There's alot of contradictions/mis-information floating around here regarding the relationship of money to game. Lets me put it this way:

Game = Salesmanship

Money = Passive value

There's also a point "diminishing returns" on game. Game will only do so much for a guy who's 5'5, has buck teeth and lives with his mom. Also, you're simply not AMOG'ing a guy with $100+ million (think some guy named AnonBosch said that), it's true. These are guys who can throw around cash like it's 1999 all over again, in case you have'nt noticed, bitches love that, and it leads to virtuous cycles (see Dan Bilzerian). Hard to compete with that my friend. But a guy with game and swag could easily AMOG a dude with 1-10 mil. The good news there aren't many guys who have 100+ mil. But I digress.

Money, if you have it, shouldn't be "bragged" about, only implied. It's passive value. Let the chick connect the dots. They love that.

My friend has 5-10 mil, not super long money but good. Chicks probe him when they see his house or learn he's a landlord. But he keeps a low profile. Drives a Toyota. I remember standing out in front of his $2 mil house in SF and catching lots of "looks" from random chicks passing by, definitely interested. Rich by association lol. He's in his 60's and dates women half his age. He knows how to leverage his wealth. First, by not talking about it, but implying it, which is much more powerful.

Post: #4

(12-30-2015 08:09 AM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  Also, you're simply not AMOG'ing a guy with $100+ million (think some guy named AnonBosch said that), it's true.

I agree with the rest of your post except this part. Normally you're right. I don't know how many times my group of friends have laughed their ass off watching guys try to AMOG me. But if the girl is very drunk and not the brightest, I've had it happen. It's funny the next day when my phone lights up when she figures out what happened. Once a girl gets the tingles, her brain shuts off.

As everyone says, work on your game and don't show off your wealth in front of women. It doesn't help it only hurts. Showing off your wealth can put you into the beta bucks category (as well as looking try-hard) and also make it harder to hookup since they'll try to play you for the marriage bucks. There is nothing worse than a wealthy guy with no game. If you're looking for ways to use your wealth: travel, learn game, take up hobbies, do things that make you happy.

Post: #5

Funny.

Post: #6

Alright, story time...

A few months ago a solid 9 dialed me up. She wanted to attend a concert at a venue where I have box seats. I take the bait, knowing what I'm getting into. Since it's MAH BOX, we've got bottle service and the 9s. Complete VIP treatment. I do work for the venue so they treat me like an executive. I know better than to throw cash at chicks usually, but I really want this bang.

We're up there drinking, flirting, kino, and my game is solid. At some point she's like "Hank, is it cool if my friend comes up?" Against my better judgment, I'm like "The more the merrier!" You know, I'm that cool guy Hank Moody. At the same time, I know I'm on the fence with this one. She's admittedly in high demand. Tight little body, artist, young, etc. etc.

Dude is a young guy, good looking, comedian. He's better looking and taller than I am. I make fun of him - "You tell jokes for a living? That's pretty funny." He knows I have a better job and more money, but it doesn't phase him even a little bit.

His game is tight. She's about 23 years old. I'm in my mid 30s. He plays it cool in my box and runs some solid game.

We leave the venue and dude ends up snatching my beef at the end of the night.

The next morning she texts me:

"Hank! I had SUCH a great time last night! Thank you so much! We should totally chill again!"

No response from me. (because I'm lazy, not angry)

I say this as a guy with money. Sometimes looks and game outweigh simply having cash.

As a general rule, I probably get more poon than the comedian dude. I have a vast array of chicks I can call who are hot. But I definitely got AMOG'd in this situation.

Throwing cash around is not a good way to get poon. It's a way to look like a dork and go broke.

Post: #7

Great post and so true. I live inside my box and have done very well per my friends. Anyway I learned thru the years that perception is reality.
A chick who is not in my circle meets me and one of her friends behind the scenes tells her about me...bam instant chick magnet and its so obvious.
Years ago I met a woman who was killer looking dis bared attorney...perscription drug issue straight outta betty ford. Anyway when we met we talked freely as I had no intention of doing anything with her.
She says to me blah all this is yours??? Im like yep she says your not married and no kids..right how??? Lol lol.
Now same chick shows up at 8am the next sunday morn with a glass of wine in her hand while im drinking coffee. We talked for like an hour about things and she says to me ..no bs I came here to fuck you....you show me yours I will show you mine. We had sex for like 2 hrs all while her average bf was like a mile away watching bull riding on tv. She was such a traitor to her kind I thought. Nope she was the first version 1.0 of todays show me the money chicks.

Post: #8

(12-30-2015 10:38 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Throwing cash around is not a good way to get poon. It's a way to look like a dork and go broke.

Couldn't agree more. We've all had the same thing happen to us when we lead with money instead of game. Hell, the entire romance novel industry revolves around the story of a girl with a wealthy older man that hooks up with the young, poor "hunk".

I'll share a story, but with a different ending than yours. I flew a group of us out to Vegas for a party. It was a mix of my friends and their +1s. The second night there one of the girls gets drunk and hooks up with some random at the club. My friend gets pissed and leaves.

We get back to the hotel around 8am I think. His girl is walking aimlessly around the first floor casino. He changed the key card to his room and went to sleep. Her hookup must have kicked her out afterward. She was begging to fly back with us when we left. I told her he's my friend and if he doesn't invite you, find a commercial flight back.

The "happy" ending is that she begged and he finally let her hang with our group. He moved her to a plate after that. Just to show you that owners tables and VIP treatment don't get/keep the girl.

Post: #9

(12-30-2015 11:44 AM)Gringuito Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 10:38 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Throwing cash around is not a good way to get poon. It's a way to look like a dork and go broke.

Couldn't agree more. We've all had the same thing happen to us when we lead with money instead of game. Hell, the entire romance novel industry revolves around the story of a girl with a wealthy older man that hooks up with the young, poor "hunk".

I'll share a story, but with a different ending than yours. I flew a group of us out to Vegas for a party. It was a mix of my friends and their +1s. The second night there one of the girls gets drunk and hooks up with some random at the club. My friend gets pissed and leaves.

We get back to the hotel around 8am I think. His girl is walking aimlessly around the first floor casino. He changed the key card to his room and went to sleep. Her hookup must have kicked her out afterward. She was begging to fly back with us when we left. I told her he's my friend and if he doesn't invite you, find a commercial flight back.

The "happy" ending is that she begged and he finally let her hang with our group. He moved her to a plate after that. Just to show you that owners tables and VIP treatment don't get/keep the girl.

Solid comeback... girl sounds like she has a disturbingly bad sense of judgment.

Post: #10

Just to add my own anecdote, I was sitting in a coffee shop the other morning working and there were two women, one younger, one older, sitting at a table gabbing on. The younger one seemed to be in her mid to late 20s, and maybe a "6" on a good day.

She was regaling the older one with a tale of how she and her girlfriends went out to a bar over the holidays, and she was telling her about how this guy was a roughneck from the Yukon territory, who worked in the oil industry in some capacity doing emergency repairs on pipelines during the wintertime. From her description he actually sounded like an interesting person, the kind of guy I would have liked to meet and have a beer with.

But then she goes "Well yeah, he was buying us rounds of drinks. It was sweet of him, but yeah he was sort of eh you know..." As she trailed off and left it hanging, with the implication that she either found him unattractive or he had weak game.

So there you go. You can be the most interesting man in the world, and buy her all the drinks you like, but if she's not feeling your looks/game all you'll end up as is a quaint little story for some SWPL yoga pant chick to tell over coffee on a Monday morning to an old bag in Starbucks.

Post: #11

(12-30-2015 11:44 AM)Gringuito Wrote:  Couldn't agree more. We've all had the same thing happen to us when we lead with money instead of game. Hell, the entire romance novel industry revolves around the story of a girl with a wealthy older man that hooks up with the young, poor "hunk".

It's also the plot of dozens of operas going back hundreds of years. I had a FB years ago who was a trained opera vocalist, and the old joke was that the plot of every classical opera tragedy was that a baritone (wealthy older man) was getting between the soprano (girl) hooking up with the tenor.

And banging an opera singer should probably be somewhere on every man's 'game goals' list, just sayin'.

Post: #12

(12-30-2015 09:51 AM)Gringuito Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 08:09 AM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  Also, you're simply not AMOG'ing a guy with $100+ million (think some guy named AnonBosch said that), it's true.

I agree with the rest of your post except this part. Normally you're right. I don't know how many times my group of friends have laughed their ass off watching guys try to AMOG me. But if the girl is very drunk and not the brightest, I've had it happen. It's funny the next day when my phone lights up when she figures out what happened. Once a girl gets the tingles, her brain shuts off.

As everyone says, work on your game and don't show off your wealth in front of women. It doesn't help it only hurts. Showing off your wealth can put you into the beta bucks category (as well as looking try-hard) and also make it harder to hookup since they'll try to play you for the marriage bucks. There is nothing worse than a wealthy guy with no game. If you're looking for ways to use your wealth: travel, learn game, take up hobbies, do things that make you happy.

I wonder how money game worked out for you in Colombia. I am sure that in the US having money may not make such a huge difference in terms of getting laid but in a place like Colombia, how did it work out for you?

Post: #13

(12-30-2015 01:52 PM)pitt Wrote:  I wonder how money game worked out for you in Colombia. I am sure that in the US having money may not make such a huge difference in terms of getting laid but in a place like Colombia, how did it work out for you?

What I like about Colombia is that all of us foreigners are treated the same. The girls don't have any idea what I own. It levels the playing field. lol, they think we're all equally rich...

Quote:And banging an opera singer should probably be somewhere on every man's 'game goals' list, just sayin'.

Yes it should...

Post: #14

(12-30-2015 02:00 PM)Gringuito Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 01:52 PM)pitt Wrote:  I wonder how money game worked out for you in Colombia. I am sure that in the US having money may not make such a huge difference in terms of getting laid but in a place like Colombia, how did it work out for you?

What I like about Colombia is that all of us foreigners are treated the same. The girls don't have any idea what I own. It levels the playing field. lol, they think we're all equally rich...

Quote:And banging an opera singer should probably be somewhere on every man's 'game goals' list, just sayin'.

Yes it should...

Rent an expensive car while you are there, go to the local universities and talk to lots of girls and you will see how money is truly influential over there.

I think many are underestimating how game rules change when you are outside of the western world.

Post: #15

(12-30-2015 02:17 PM)pitt Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 02:00 PM)Gringuito Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 01:52 PM)pitt Wrote:  I wonder how money game worked out for you in Colombia. I am sure that in the US having money may not make such a huge difference in terms of getting laid but in a place like Colombia, how did it work out for you?

What I like about Colombia is that all of us foreigners are treated the same. The girls don't have any idea what I own. It levels the playing field. lol, they think we're all equally rich...

Quote:And banging an opera singer should probably be somewhere on every man's 'game goals' list, just sayin'.

Yes it should...

Rent an expensive car while you are there, go to the local universities and talk to lots of girls and you will see how money is truly influential over there.

I think many are underestimating how game rules change when you are outside of the western world.

Pitt, I own a penthouse there and car/SUV as well.

Post: #16

(12-30-2015 10:38 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Alright, story time...

A few months ago a solid 9 dialed me up. She wanted to attend a concert at a venue where I have box seats. I take the bait, knowing what I'm getting into. Since it's MAH BOX, we've got bottle service and the 9s. Complete VIP treatment. I do work for the venue so they treat me like an executive. I know better than to throw cash at chicks usually, but I really want this bang.

We're up there drinking, flirting, kino, and my game is solid. At some point she's like "Hank, is it cool if my friend comes up?" Against my better judgment, I'm like "The more the merrier!" You know, I'm that cool guy Hank Moody. At the same time, I know I'm on the fence with this one. She's admittedly in high demand. Tight little body, artist, young, etc. etc.

Dude is a young guy, good looking, comedian. He's better looking and taller than I am. I make fun of him - "You tell jokes for a living? That's pretty funny." He knows I have a better job and more money, but it doesn't phase him even a little bit.

His game is tight. She's about 23 years old. I'm in my mid 30s. He plays it cool in my box and runs some solid game.

We leave the venue and dude ends up snatching my beef at the end of the night.

The next morning she texts me:

"Hank! I had SUCH a great time last night! Thank you so much! We should totally chill again!"

No response from me. (because I'm lazy, not angry)

I say this as a guy with money. Sometimes looks and game outweigh simply having cash.

As a general rule, I probably get more poon than the comedian dude. I have a vast array of chicks I can call who are hot. But I definitely got AMOG'd in this situation.

Throwing cash around is not a good way to get poon. It's a way to look like a dork and go broke.

When she asked if a friend could come, I would have asked if this friend has a Y chromosome. If yes, then no.



I have no qualms about shutting down this kind of manipulative bullshit.

Post: #17

(12-30-2015 04:44 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Rules of Money and Game

10. Your money is for you. Got cash? Buy that AR-15, new set of speakers, or a motorcycle. Better yet, save it and invest it. Once you've got game, women are a replaceable commodity. They're not worth throwing a lot of cash it, nor is it necessary. Instead, use money to enrich your life. You can get laid with a few shots of Fireball, just like your bartender buddy. Women are simply not worth throwing cash at.

Just want to get your take on a situation where I started dating a girl who was 21 y.o. in Phils. I'm 40. She's kind of poor.

I was dating her awhile and she was buying me stuff at first, taking turns paying for lunch, etc.

Then later, I started to help her out a little. Maybe give her a couple hundred dollars once every couple months for spending money.

Seems ok to me, considering it's no big deal to me, and it helps her out a ton. She does pretty much whatever I ask her, and I'm allowed to travel, and even date other girls. She's only dating me.

Post: #18

(12-30-2015 02:49 PM)esalen1 Wrote:  Maybe give her a couple hundred dollars once every couple months for spending money.

Seems ok to me, considering it's no big deal to me, and it helps her out a ton. She does pretty much whatever I ask her, and I'm allowed to travel, and even date other girls. She's only dating me.

All relationships between the sexes are transactional to a greater or lesser degree.

It just depends on what level of transaction you're willing to put up with.

Post: #19

Totally 100 percent true. Like Robert Plant (above), I also gave Mr. Moody a rep point for this. I've lived these scenarios and know them to be true.

I wish I'd known this at 19, because I assumed great things would happen with women "someday, when I'm successful." I sort of slunk away from some women, thinking the older 30-year-old guys with cars would swoop them away so why bother? Wrong.

In retrospect, I did better when I was not only penniless, but in an in-debt college student delivering pizza. Having not just money, but success is nice, but it's far from necessary.

In fact, the experience that usually comes with both often makes you cynical and joyless -- and these qualities are definite game killers. Being funny and driving a clunker car that constantly needed water for its bad radiator was a better combo.* Who knew this at the time, though?

Every bullet point here is on-the-mark. Shame I had to learn some of this the hard way. But you all don't.

Post: #20

I see money and game a little differently....

We all know that money, by itself, has no intrinsic value...
it has value, just not intrinsic value that people have.

So when you use money to try to increase your value, women already know
that there is a clear difference between you and your money...

Looks, personality, creativity, humor, resourcefulness, athleticism,
strength, character...these all have high intrinsic value that money does not.

So the way that you use money is not to impress a girl but rather
to get social access to many women...and then use actual game to win.

It's just like basketball. Kobe Bryant is one of the best players in the NBA
Take away all of his money and he still will be one of the best players in history.

His money has no bearing on his abilities. Now they can help him indirectly
through training, better gear, a nice lifestyle etc...however on the court during
a championship game he still has to demonstrate his real skills and abilities to win.

An expensive Iphone, a custom tailored suit and a porsche just aren't going to help him
on the court.

Post: #21

(12-30-2015 02:49 PM)esalen1 Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 04:44 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Rules of Money and Game

10. Your money is for you. Got cash? Buy that AR-15, new set of speakers, or a motorcycle. Better yet, save it and invest it. Once you've got game, women are a replaceable commodity. They're not worth throwing a lot of cash it, nor is it necessary. Instead, use money to enrich your life. You can get laid with a few shots of Fireball, just like your bartender buddy. Women are simply not worth throwing cash at.

Just want to get your take on a situation where I started dating a girl who was 21 y.o. in Phils. I'm 40. She's kind of poor.

I was dating her awhile and she was buying me stuff at first, taking turns paying for lunch, etc.

Then later, I started to help her out a little. Maybe give her a couple hundred dollars once every couple months for spending money.

Seems ok to me, considering it's no big deal to me, and it helps her out a ton. She does pretty much whatever I ask her, and I'm allowed to travel, and even date other girls. She's only dating me.

I honestly don't know enough about chicks in the Phils to take a stab at this.

I will say this - generally girls who "let" you date other chicks usually happen to be dating other dudes, and lying about it. Didn't pick up the phone last night? She fell asleep on her sister's couch, or was helping ducks cross the street. Surely she wasn't sucking cock.

When I date chicks with no money I pay for everything, but it's because I don't want their poor financial decisions to impact my lifestyle. We're not eating at Applebees because that place sucks, and I'd rather spend time elsewhere. If that means having to pay for it, fine.

However, I've never straight up given a chick money for their utilities. But if this arrangement works for you, more power to ya. Every relationship is different. It's all about what makes you happy, not what anyone else thinks.

Post: #22

To all, if you had Sheikh money, would you be dropping Dubai deuces on double dees?

WIA

Post: #23

^ Money amplifies your state. If you're a jackass when you're broke, you're still gonna be jackass when you're rich.

Post: #24

(12-30-2015 10:38 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Throwing cash around is not a good way to get poon. It's a way to look like a dork and go broke.

Ok, but what if you were to do the opposite? Being broke is definitely not a good way to get poon. It confers no survival value to women. Saying money is not a good way to get poon is actually misleading. Whole industries are based on it. It's more accurate to say "Throwing money around stupidly doesn't get women". You will just be exploited. This is common sense. But there are studies that show "throwing money around" properly does work. Furthermore studies that show women rate guys higher when they drive exotic cars.

The guys you listed (bartenders, comedians, DJ's etc) don't have money but they have a type of status. Money and status are not necessarily the same thing. You can have one without the other and get chicks in both cases. Both are attractive to women and always have been, in every country.

Status is based off off 1) positioning 2) scarcity. It's where the "exotic factor" comes from. Your "look" is scarce thus raising your status. Now if you said the guy was a truck driver, I'd say it was good game, but you need to recognize the difference between game and status. Overall those were poor examples to illustrate your point.

Post: #25

(12-30-2015 07:39 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 10:38 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Throwing cash around is not a good way to get poon. It's a way to look like a dork and go broke.

Ok, but what if you were to do the opposite? Being broke is definitely not a good way to get poon. It confers no survival value to women. Saying money is not a good way to get poon is actually misleading. Whole industries are based on it. It's more accurate to say "Throwing money around stupidly doesn't get women". You will just be exploited. This is common sense. But there are studies that show "throwing money around" properly does work. Furthermore studies that show women rate guys higher when they drive exotic cars.

The guys you listed (bartenders, comedians, DJ's etc) don't have money but they have a type of status. Money and status are not necessarily the same thing. You can have one without the other and get chicks in both cases. Both are attractive to women and always have been, in every country.

Status is based off off 1) positioning 2) scarcity. It's where the "exotic factor" comes from. Your "look" is scarce thus raising your status. Now if you said the guy was a truck driver, I'd say it was good game, but you need to recognize the difference between game and status. Overall those were poor examples to illustrate your point.

There you go thinking with logic...



All I can say is i got more pussy when I was living on a friends couch than when I upgraded to a room.