Post: #1

I'm 30. No kids. Never married.

I just started flipping houses and the first one went well. I plan to repeat this process infinitely to put my income well over $200,000/year. I plan to buy a used exotic car so that I can display my wealth everywhere I go. I realize that would attract gold diggers, but I'm not sure what other angles to work.

I'm 5'7", skinny, and white.

Last time I went out, I was dressed really nice and got approached by two hot girls in different bars and still didn't know what to say. My game is really weak. I almost completely lack the ability to start or maintain a conversation, which is probably why I have to rely on money to give me some sort of value to make up for this seeming lack of personality.

I'm also on MGTOW forums. I never want to get married. I might want to have kids, but I don't want to be celibate.

Is this even enough info to allow anyone to help me with my game? I am anything but a natural. When I go out, I am usually silent, and if not, then I'm socially awkward at best. I have social anxiety even to make an approach despite the fact that I'm 30 years old and have been through tons of shit in my life.

I had a girl that I had been talking to for about 4 months, but I stopped talking to her today because she kept nagging me about emotional shit. Like one day she would say I'm not affectionate enough to her, then she would say I'm acting awkward when she talks about her feelings, then the next day she would tell me that I'm being distant and I would try to see her side and say "okay I'll work on that," but she says that I never actually changed anything, but honestly I think she was just spouting a bunch of bullshit nonsense in the first place. So today when she tried to bring it up again, I said "you are not worth my time. Have a good life," and that was it. So now I'm back to square one of having no females in my life. Just me and my hand, and the occasional escort, which I should totally stop unless I want to die of HIV some day.

Post: #2

Less posting and start reading.

Money is not going to fix the problems that you have. You'll get a gold-digger who is going to play you out of all that wealth you are starting to accumulate and lose everything in the process.

Post: #3

Get a friend who has game , try to develop a new hobby and be more outgoing to people try to develop something you can brag about yourself , knowing new people and being outgoing is the first step to learning I guess.Money is not the key if you want to be truly happy you would be willing to work hard on your personality ,interactions, its not easy. Like the comment on top said start reading more maybe ? I know there r lots of ppl in the forum with more knowledge they could help you. And know that money can make it really easier and is important but u cant put money as the main trait.

Post: #4

These guys who say money isn't everything, don't have any.
If you're good at flipping houses. Flip more and make big money.
You are focusing on what you don't have instead of what you do have.
Real Estate is extremely competitive. You might have beginner's luck with this flipping thing...

110% of your efforts should be towards your career. When your career starts to get going, access to chicks appear.

Money for myself is a means to an end.
Money can gain you access to places none of these forum guys could ever dream of.
All you need to do is stop downing yourself and enjoy what you have today.
It may sound corny. But, from what I read you are really too hard on yourself.

Girls can be and will be predatory to guys who beat themselves up because they are such easy marks.
Gold Diggers can be some of the easiest lays around. Just have sex with them and don't give them any of your money.
You should use your money to take care of yourself. Take a spa day or something.
You should also use your money to join paid, reputable Real Estate clubs and make valuable connections....

Networking is the best way to meet chicks. Hands down. Cold approach is for broke men.

PS: Trying using your flipping skills on chicks. Money and Women are the same thing.

Post: #5

What's being said about focusing on game - learning what to say and when to say it - is right.

As for money, spend it on building a life that is fun for you and that women want to be included in. Do not get sucked into spending it building a life that is fun for women in the hopes that you will be included out of gratitude, because you won't. People are bad at keeping score and every woman who is impressed the first time you take her out to dinner will, given enough time to get used to it, just come to expect it and be angry with you if you don't.

Keep that shit special, and only for rewarding good behavior.

Post: #6

(06-12-2017 07:20 AM)crdr Wrote:  These guys who say money isn't everything, don't have any.
If you're good at flipping houses. Flip more and make big money.
You are focusing on what you don't have instead of what you do have.
Real Estate is extremely competitive. You might have beginner's luck with this flipping thing...

110% of your efforts should be towards your career. When your career starts to get going, access to chicks appear.

Money for myself is a means to an end.
Money can gain you access to places none of these forum guys could ever dream of.
All you need to do is stop downing yourself and enjoy what you have today.
It may sound corny. But, from what I read you are really too hard on yourself.

Girls can be and will be predatory to guys who beat themselves up because they are such easy marks.
Gold Diggers can be some of the easiest lays around. Just have sex with them and don't give them any of your money.
You should use your money to take care of yourself. Take a spa day or something.
You should also use your money to join paid, reputable Real Estate clubs and make valuable connections....

Networking is the best way to meet chicks. Hands down. Cold approach is for broke men.

PS: Trying using your flipping skills on chicks. Money and Women are the same thing.

Great post. Especially true as you get older.

Post: #7

A confused millennial usually unplugs and gives up in this day and age it's great your keeping bizzy and plugged in

You've sorted out marriage (being what it isn't anymore in the west) and kids. (unless you wear a condom all your life chicks are very good at getting knocked up).....i'll go further and say if you like sex and confused about relationships a girl will make your mind up for you at some point....especially if you have money

Marriage today is prostitution (escorts is just upfront about it)...but the old adage's still apply:
For women
1) You married well (money basically prostitution...I mean a provider)

For Men
2) You got lucky (no comment required)

Also...with a good woman a man can go anywhere.....a bad woman a man will go nowhere. SO basically RichardtheFrog by taking a step back and carefully thinking about women....gives you the time to go anywhere or nowhere.

Relax stop being uptight/rigid....that day you dressed up and felt confident and good about yourself was the day you got lucky....no need to have the game of a player or good at verbal diarrhea.....more than 50 percent of communication is body language.

You'll get females in your life to answer the question (unavoidable if your open to it) it's just what type and where

Post: #8

Clothes. Car. Chequebook. Crib. Cellphone. Clique.

Post: #9

Stanfield you forgot a "C"...Country...but good sum up

Country could be important for RichardtheFrog or anyone (depending on age/health/cash/commitments)

What fantasy is RichardtheFrog chasing?

1) Traditionalist......this type forgets that marriage for life use to mean maybe 30-40 years but it could be 60 years of agony now....have kids raise them maybe retire but probably die on the job. The traditionalist is usually in EE (old countries) or Ozark mountains of Kentucky

2) Progressive...this type knows good long term serial relationships is the reality of today with an ample supply of people around to have relationships/friends with...this type is in SE asia or latin america

3) Delusional....This type lives in a fake world, fake economy, fake life,fake job/career and met his partner on World of Warcraft or internet date site and both think getting a lap-adoodle is a big step into adulthood (which they cringe at)

Thinking for the future is crucial ...the confused like RichardtheFrog may not want to be in a western country sitting at McDonald's with the rest of the seniors having a morning Mc-muffin/coffee wondering how life fuked up so bad

Post: #10

Yea I just rejoined Seeking Arrangement.com and I'm flooded with hot girls wanting to fuck. Obviously, I would go broke doing this every day, but it's preferable to having one long-term prostitute in the form of a marriage who will start withholding sex as soon as the papers are signed.

Post: #11

I don't see myself falling into any of those three categories.

Post: #12

You need to spend some time on real estate forums and learn more about the business. It sounds like you make a good score on your first flip and think you have a recipe for making $200k a year. Yes you can make a lot of money flipping houses and playing the long term land lord game. Whatever you do don't drop your bank roll into a car, build that thing up until you can pay cash for your flips, as your roll builds you'll be able to undertake more than 1 to 2 flips at a time and then you'll have money rolling in. The thing that breaks every flipper is they take out loans which have high carrying costs and a note with them, this will work when it's a seller's market which is what is happening in most major metro areas right now.

Take it slow and you'll go far. If you want to see how it's done go down to your court house and watch people buying houses for cash. These are the whales, a lot of time the whales have agents who buy for them. See if you can latch onto a couple of the old timers who may need a GC for a project or two and have them mentor you on the entire show.


As far as buying an exotic used car, are you fucking insane? You need to look at the tax code and talk to a professional or spend a lot of time learning the class C write offs and deductions. Your much better off buying a newer 6klb vehicle and using the small business write off.

http://www.section179.org/section_179_ve...tions.html

Have you sat down with an accountant and went over your business plan and tax implications for next year? The last thing you want is the IRS to put a size 15 shoe up your ass, you will not get a real estate loan if you owe back taxes to the feds..

Also how much are you setting back for retirement?

Look it's one of my first posts on here, I am 46 years old, but I have a lot of time in the real estate game, have my license and land lord. I own 4 properties outright and rent 3 of them out, all 3 of these are in the Keller TX D within the DFW metro & another condo in NJ which I break even on after expenses, which I plan to sell next year. I flipped two houses and don't have the time or the inclination to do another. I am happy where I am at in life where I work 8 to 4:30 from home and collect my monthly rent checks.

As far as the SA game goes, it's a great site for meeting girls who are after $$'s, I spend about 2k to 3k a month going out with girls on the site and gaming them and other females. Just remember most are only after either $$ for sugar or a lifestyle for sugar. I sell them on the lifestyle and only pay to play for 8's plus, and they have to follow my rules.

Post: #13

An old exotic car will destroy your wealth, do not get one.

If you are skinny, get in shape.

You had two girls approach you, so you must look decent.

Work on your social skills, talk to more people when you go out. Talk to strangers and come out of your shell.

Even with Seeking Arrangement, you need game to deal with those money chasers. There is a great SA thread in the private section, you need more posts before you can access it.

Learn about game and come off those MGTOW forums, far too negative.

Post: #14

My advise would be to read thoroughly the Dave Carnegie book who to win friends and influence people, then take the class.

http://www.dalecarnegie.com/events/dale_...ity=Dallas

The book and class will help you a lot in learning how to game. A lot of game is learning how to listen to women and keep the conversation going, remember men and women are wired differently. Men release dopamine in completing tasks and achieving goals in their lives. Women release dopamine from conversation, dopamine makes them feel good, which will make you feel good later.

http://www.scienceofpeople.com/1-turn-people/

Post: #15

Don't improve your game.

Let game improve you.

Post: #16

You sound like an extreme extrovert and cynic. While being told to just up your social skills is the correct advice, it is not as easy for some as it is for others. If you have social anxiety then you live a lot of your life in your head so I agree with Kirdiesel that your best option is to read.

I recommend Get The Girl by Mehow. He is not an attractive guy at all and is virtually as you describe yourself to be. Even if you do not have game, PUAs like this can give you routines that you can act out yourself straight out of the book. The confidence and stuff will come naturally after enough attempts. As for using money, that is fine but putting money before game is suicidal. There are girls out there that are pros at playing men and even if you go in with your eyes open, one will dupe you and you will pay for it. Game with money only is also hollow and all you will be doing is subsidizing the other guys with game who are smashing for free. I have converted a friend recently who is 32 and had the same self-esteem problems. Go read. The stuff works and once you sort yourself out you'll be in disbelief of how easy it all really is.

Money is an amplifier and should be used as such, NOT as the foundation of your interactions with women. Otherwise you might as well stick with the escort service as that is the same thing dressed differently.

Post: #17

Two cents...

In my early 20s I tried the "people will love me for me and will get me somewhere. Broke flat Broke." game.
That's great for Status Quo Living and Results... Took that strategy behind the barn real quick.

Money is a key card to where you want to go in life.
These PUAs will give you the Kanye shrug when their advice falls short.

I don't know you, this is just blanket advice. Strengthen your mind. (Lincoln is right with reading part.) The body will follow what you believe you are.

I don't get this phenomenon of guys with the pursuit of money and girls with no self esteem...
This is supposed to SOLIDIFY your self-esteem!

You cannot have game if your mind isn't right. You can't get your mind right if you don't have game. You will not get what you want if you don't have $$$.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Post: #18

Noone is saying money DOESN'T MATTER. You need money for quality and fashionable clothes, hygiene, centrally located apartment, decent car, travel, instagram... etc etc etc

I am only saying its only 50% of the puzzle. He should 100% keep pumping business if he's got something good going.

Money will help you get you the attention girls you want but game will keep them (and keep them in check too.)

The higher end and socially calibrated girls will notice that he doesn't have game and exploit this to their advantage. There is such a thing as girl game you know.

When that hot ass 9 you picked up with the Lambo figures out you are a simp and sneaks around on you with that broke ass mofo living in a basement you'll come to understand. Better get BOTH your money and game together.. They go hand in hand.

Post: #19

Quote:When that hot ass 9 you picked up with the Lambo figures out you are a simp and sneaks around on you with that broke ass mofo living in a basement you'll come to understand. Better get BOTH your money and game together.. They go hand in hand.

I have yet to see 9's skipping out with broke dudes living in basements. That simply doesn't happen. Not even if the dude is a cool musician/artist. Trust me they know their worth.

People on this forum need to stop making up scenarios that don't really happen in real life.

Post: #20

A lot of game denialism in this thread.

Here is a tip for new guys. When guys are giving game advice - click on their rep points and see how many RVF guys they've met. There is a very clear correlation between bad advice and guys who haven't met anyone.

I'm not saying that a guy who has met a lot of RVF guys will always give good advice. There is still bad advice, guys who over-estimate their knowledge, guys who exaggerate their success, etc. However, there is some accountability and guys who have met several RVF guys are much less likely to give bad advice or give advice that is based solely on their very limited experience.

Nobody is saying that you should stop making money. We are just saying that money is only a small part of game.

Also, having a lot of money and no game is a great recipe for attracting women that can ruin your life.

Post: #21

(06-12-2017 01:48 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  A lot of game denialism in this thread.

Here is a tip for new guys. When guys are giving game advice - click on their rep points and see how many RVF guys they've met. There is a very clear correlation between bad advice and guys who haven't met anyone.

I'm not saying that a guy who has met a lot of RVF guys will always give good advice. There is still bad advice, guys who over-estimate their knowledge, guys who exaggerate their success, etc. However, there is some accountability and guys who have met several RVF guys are much less likely to give bad advice or give advice that is based solely on their very limited experience.

Nobody is saying that you should stop making money. We are just saying that money is only a small part of game.

Also, having a lot of money and no game is a great recipe for attracting women that can ruin your life.

God bless your heart.

Post: #22

(06-12-2017 07:20 AM)crdr Wrote:  Networking is the best way to meet chicks. Hands down. Cold approach is for broke men.

Tripe. In the past, comments like this would earn a ban.

Post: #23

(06-12-2017 01:59 PM)churros Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 07:20 AM)crdr Wrote:  Networking is the best way to meet chicks. Hands down. Cold approach is for broke men.

Tripe. In the past, comments like this would earn a ban.

Yeah, partying is an awful place to meet chicks... I tutor you guys how to make money all day.

Post: #24

(06-12-2017 12:46 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  I have yet to see 9's skipping out with broke dudes living in basements. That simply doesn't happen. Not even if the dude is a cool musician/artist. Trust me they know their worth.

People on this forum need to stop making up scenarios that don't really happen in real life.

No, people on this forum need to get off their computers and expand their social networks a bit, and they'll then see that shit like this does in fact happen. Kirdiesel is on the money, but it looks like you need to live a bit before you see these sorts of things happen IRL.

Of course, no one in their right mind would say something like "it happens all the time", but the extreme position you're taking - i.e., "it simply doesn't happen", is naive at best and plain dumb at worst.

I've been good friends with guys who were near broke and could still pull solid 8s and 9s every now and then. The one thing they *did* have in common, was above-average looks, solid confidence around women, and yes, being broke or near-broke.

For the longest time I used to think just like you, ie, 8s+ were strictly for the super good looking, super rich etc etc. Then I got my ass over to NYC, made some new friends, began hitting up bars and seeing them in action, and my eyes were opened. I've mentioned these stories before in other threads, but to quickly recap, some examples of what I witnessed over the years I hung out with these cats:

1) Stoner ex-roommate walking into a bar in the LES here in NYC, and the hottest girl there, a solid Russian 9, literally comes up and starts hitting on him. This guy was broke because at 19 he knocked some girl up, got divorced, and had been paying child support ever since. The chic in question obviously didn't give a fuck and could easily land some iBanker by hangin out at any number of spots in NYC, yet here she was at some local joint, throwing herself at my stoner buddy.

2) Another one of my friends - in his mid 30s was barely making rent, living in some dumpy apartment in Brooklyn, struggling to get by as a writer. Yet, he'd still pick up early 20s knockouts at cafes fairly often.

Having myself spent some years working in Wall Street, I've also known guys pulling in solid money, living in expensive high-rises and still struggling to land a date with 6s and 7s.

So my advice to the OP would be: don't fall into the trap of thinking that money can "buy" raw, primal attraction. At best, you'll be marked by women 30+ as the nice, provider type. Money helps with women, but you have to use it wisely: travel, get fit, upgrade your wardrobe, do shit that'll help you improve your self image and self esteem, and of course work on your game. These will get you far with women, and they don't require $200k/yr either.

Post: #25

I'm a newb. This is like arguing religion. It's going nowhere.

Can somebody please explain why all the rich guys got hot chicks and all broke guys I see in grocery stores have hogs for girlfriends?

This seems like a real popular topic...

I would say guys exaggerate their success with women more than we exaggerate our money.

These manosphere guys show no evidence their advice works. No photos with chicks. Let alone photos of themselves. These guys' blogs are soft.

Rich guy with game will out compete and out last any broke guy with game. OP: Needs to re-focus his priorities from material wants to intangible needs aka
Confidence, Self-Worth and Purpose