Post: #1

More moves to pussify boys:

Doctors urge schools to ban tackling in rugby

Quote:More than 70 doctors and academics are calling for a ban on tackling in rugby matches played in UK and Irish schools.

In an open letter to ministers, they say injuries from this "high-impact collision sport" can have lifelong consequences for children.

They argue two thirds of injuries in youth rugby and most concussions are down to tackles and urge schools to move to touch and non-contact rugby.

Supporters say rugby builds character and other forms are less challenging.

The concerns have been raised as a seven-year programme headed by the Rugby Football Union is on target to introduce rugby to a million children in state schools across England.

The RFU's programme, which began in 2012 and is running until 2019, has so far reached 400 schools, with 350 to follow.

But, in their letter to ministers, chief medical officers and children's commissioners in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, doctors say the risks for players aged under 18 are high.

They say many secondary schools in the UK deliver contact rugby as a compulsory part of the physical education curriculum from the age of 11.

"The majority of all injuries occur during contact or collision, such as the tackle and the scrum," the letter says.

"These injuries, which include fractures, ligamentous tears, dislocated shoulders, spinal injuries and head injuries can have short-term, lifelong and life-ending consequences for children."

The doctors say concussion is a common injury, and they highlight a link between "repeat concussions and cognitive impairment and an association with depression, memory loss and diminished verbal abilities".

One of the signatories of the open letter is Prof Allyson Pollock, from Queen Mary University of London, who has long campaigned about the dangers of rugby.

She said evidence collected over 12 years showed rugby players up to the age of 18 or 19 had a 28% chance of getting injured over a season of 15 matches.

"If you're thinking of a million children playing every year with this risk of injury you're looking at 300,000 extra injuries a year, including up to 100,000 concussions," she said.

She added that 90% of injuries resulted in more than seven days lost from school.

There are various forms of touch or tag rugby, in which tackles are replaced by touching a player or removing a tag from their clothing. Aspects of rugby such as scrums and rucks are also excluded from these forms of the game.

Jonny Cross, a PE teacher at Congleton High School in Cheshire - where rugby is compulsory from the age of 11 - says the sport provides a challenge.

Mr Cross says children wear gum-shields and are taught how to maintain the proper posture in scrums to avoid injury, a technique known as "tower of power".

"Contact rugby helps build character. They are putting their body on the line in a match. The risk factor is part of it," he says.

"They enjoy the contact element. There is a 'boy factor' - it's partly about developing masculinity. They would be more likely to be bored by touch rugby.

"I would say that some students need it. It provides a challenge, where challenge is being taken out of everyday life."

The RFU and the Welsh Rugby Union both said they took player safety "extremely seriously" but that rugby was a "fantastic sport for children" which offered many benefits for society.

The Scottish Rugby Union said it was "committed to player welfare at every level of the game" but pointed out that every sport carried "an element of risk".

South African schools allow tackling, as do schools in Australia - although there has been a recent push to make children wear protective headgear, but this is not compulsory.

In New Zealand, tackling is permitted, but in some schools it is banned in lunchtime games that are not being supervised.

Former England rugby player Matt Perry said: "I took a risk when I started rugby at seven and I'm afraid at school level if that tackle is taken out we've lost one of the great games and one of the great cultural games."

Former England international Brian Moore dismissed the evidence in the letter as "flawed" and "partial".

Obesity would kill more children than rugby, he said.

"If you want to ban things, you've got to do it on the right basis."

The Association for Physical Education said contact versions of the game should be introduced and managed only by "suitably experienced staff" following recognised guidelines.

"Parents should be aware of what sports are taught in the schools they choose to send their children to - if rugby is taught, then parents send their children to the school in the knowledge that they are likely to be asked to play rugby at some level," it added.

A spokesman for the Department for Education in England said: "Team sports, such as rugby, play an important role in developing character.

"We expect schools to be aware of the risks associated with sporting activities and to provide a safe environment for pupils."

Post: #2

I've come to understand the English nanny state as the government's efforts to keep the cost of their socialized healthcare low.

Chalk this up as an unintended consequence of socialized healthcare.

Post: #3

Why the half-measures? Why don't they just go AS FAR as they really want to go and just BAN TESTICLES? The fucking insufferable man-hating sea hags that they are. Christ almighty.

Post: #4

As a long-time rugby player, I cannot contemplate competitive rugby without tackling. "Rugby is a game of hooligans, played by gentlemen" said Churchill.
Now, "rugby is a game of pussies, played by?".
I wont go into comparing the relative merits of rugby and American football, but if you've at least watched with some degree of attention, you'll know what I'm talking about.

Post: #5

I think rugby is a silly game with silly helmets, but I support the right of men to play the game. If you take away tackling, you just end up with a sillier version of soccer. Nobody wants that.

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Post: #7

20 years in the future, it'll be illegal to play any Male Sport.

Post: #8

This game is called bullrush and it was a very popular New Zealand game played during lunch time at school when I was growing up. Im sure it has variants around the world. Today it's banned in almost all schools. Scary stuff.

Post: #9

(03-05-2016 02:04 AM)Horus Wrote:  



This game is called bullrush and it was a very popular New Zealand game played during lunch time at school when I was growing up. Im sure it has variants around the world. Today it's banned in almost all schools. Scary stuff.

It's only banned because of the tackling iirc. There was no tackling in the above video.

I've been to school 5-10 years ago and we definitely played "octopus"(bullrush without tackling). I thought it was okay but I disliked how shallow the strategy was and how much luck was involved. For example if they called out a large group, you're likely safe. If they single you out, you were fucked. Also some rules had single/double/triple runs- there was literally no reason for the Octopus to not to triple run every time(it didn't happen- mainly because kids were stupid).

I think when I was in I made the whole group run(calling bullrush/octupus) every single time. In cases where there were triple runs, I made everyone do a triple run every time. Easy as pie.

Also I did "alliances" with some people where we wouldn't tag each other if we were got tagged. Meaning it was much easier because there was a "safe" row for us.

Non natives might not know the rules. In the game I played, 1-2 guys are "in" and the others are not. They are in the middle and the others are on one side of the field/playing area. Guys who are in call out who(a group), then they have to run to the other side without getting caught. If you get caught you stay put and tried to tag other people as they run past. Then once everyone has been called, then rinse and repeat with the people not in trying to go back to the original side, etc back and forth. Last to get tug wins(and those who are in "win" the earlier they get everyone tagged.

Post: #10

South Park had the best rebuttal to these pussified doctors and parents who want to wrap kids in cotton wool. Presenting: Sarcastaball.

Post: #11

Dumb idea. Stopping kids from developing this essential skill will result in the Home Nations falling into irrelevancy since other nations' kids will be experienced. If you really must do something to stop injuries give them some padding or something, don't alter the way the game is played.

Post: #12

sarcastaball was hilarious

Post: #13

Quote:"These injuries, which include fractures, ligamentous tears, dislocated shoulders, spinal injuries and head injuries can have short-term, lifelong and life-ending consequences for children."

The doctors say concussion is a common injury, and they highlight a link between "repeat concussions and cognitive impairment and an association with depression, memory loss and diminished verbal abilities".

They bring up good points about the injuries one can receive in rugby, especially long term consequences of concussions. Once again, the mentality to ban something to protect the children is misguide. If someone was smart enough to look at the problem and think about they can say the following: "Before a child start to play the field, we suggest follow exercise regime to decrease chances of injury...". Instead of reasonable approach, we get nanny approach of 'its to dangerous, so you can't do that'. Its nice remind that have MD degree does not mean one is smart enough to provide a good solution.

Post: #14

(03-04-2016 07:56 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  Why the half-measures? Why don't they just go AS FAR as they really want to go and just BAN TESTICLES? The fucking insufferable man-hating sea hags that they are. Christ almighty.

They can't ban testicles because of Dykes for Dicks and fucking up your gender surgery.

Post: #15

This is retarded. I'm tired of people ruining sports for safety when they aren't even involved in the sport or never played.

Might as well take the punching out of boxing.

Water out of swimming.

Dribbling out of basketball.

Take downs out of wrestling.

Soon this will be the only way kids can play sports.

Post: #16

They have to ban anything men can dominate.

Post: #17

Rugby is the funnest game ever made. Not only do you get to tackle damn near everyone on the field, but you get to drink with the other team all bruised and bloody after the game.

Women, can't have fun games with 'em, can't make babies without 'em.

Post: #18

I've heard of some kids soccer leagues talking about banning headers. Fuck this generation of pussy kids, will be even softer than millienals

Post: #19

I played rugby for almost 8 years. Personally I think there should be a little more law on youth players.
On top of that.. Better coaches.

I still think kids should be able to tackle and scrums should be able to push... But I've got plenty of friends with life long injuries that they might get the worst of later down in life because of bad tackling form, overzealous players ect.

Also teams that recycle players.
I went straight from high school to high level men's teams where adults were much bigger and experienced. Lucky I got out of the sport with just a couple dislocated shoulders and a crooked nose.
But some bigger teams have a reputation of using young test players as, battering rams. Once you break.you just get tossed.

Rugby doesn't pay.. Your injuries are yours..not the team.

I know guys that dislocated knees and wore leg braced for a period of time in their 20s.

I'd rather not have that happen..just because they wanted to do a goose step on the field for a half second.

Post: #20

Whoa Sourcecode. That sounds rough. The only time I came close to serious injury was when I dislocated my shoulder playing against an overseas team, from the UK specifically.
It was our starting XV versus theirs. We got fucking massacred. They were bigger, stronger. Halfway in we were calling in guys from the stands who 'd played in the previous few years because motherfuckers were getting injured and we were literally being shredded to bits.
Actually, now it sounds damn hilarious. I suffered my injury when a huge guy barelled through a tackle, and I'm pretty strong for my size too.

Post: #21

I don't know a thing about rugby but I'd never let my kid play American football. High school coaches are shit. They don't know how to properly condition their players. Kids end up with blown joints, head injuries and back problems. My brother blew a disc playing football at 16 years old and is still paying for it 15 years later. Fuck that shit. There are plenty of other masculine activities out there that don't involve running into each other's heads and spines at full speed. Me personally, I spent my childhood training martial arts. Getting kicked in the face toughens you up just fine... And the broken nose is healed in a couple weeks.

Post: #22

at first I misread this as "doctors urge to ban tickling in rugby" and was like "makes sense" but then I read the thread and said 'wtf" that is like trying to ban sliding in baseball, or fast cars in auto racing.

Come to think we will probably see all of that at some point.

Post: #23

(03-04-2016 07:39 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  More moves to pussify boys:

Doctors urge schools to ban tackling in rugby

Quote:More than 70 doctors and academics are calling for a ban on tackling in rugby matches played in UK and Irish schools.

In an open letter to ministers, they say injuries from this "high-impact collision sport" can have lifelong consequences for children.

They argue two thirds of injuries in youth rugby and most concussions are down to tackles and urge schools to move to touch and non-contact rugby.

Supporters say rugby builds character and other forms are less challenging.

The concerns have been raised as a seven-year programme headed by the Rugby Football Union is on target to introduce rugby to a million children in state schools across England.

The RFU's programme, which began in 2012 and is running until 2019, has so far reached 400 schools, with 350 to follow.

But, in their letter to ministers, chief medical officers and children's commissioners in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, doctors say the risks for players aged under 18 are high.

They say many secondary schools in the UK deliver contact rugby as a compulsory part of the physical education curriculum from the age of 11.

"The majority of all injuries occur during contact or collision, such as the tackle and the scrum," the letter says.

"These injuries, which include fractures, ligamentous tears, dislocated shoulders, spinal injuries and head injuries can have short-term, lifelong and life-ending consequences for children."

The doctors say concussion is a common injury, and they highlight a link between "repeat concussions and cognitive impairment and an association with depression, memory loss and diminished verbal abilities".

One of the signatories of the open letter is Prof Allyson Pollock, from Queen Mary University of London, who has long campaigned about the dangers of rugby.

She said evidence collected over 12 years showed rugby players up to the age of 18 or 19 had a 28% chance of getting injured over a season of 15 matches.

"If you're thinking of a million children playing every year with this risk of injury you're looking at 300,000 extra injuries a year, including up to 100,000 concussions," she said.

She added that 90% of injuries resulted in more than seven days lost from school.

There are various forms of touch or tag rugby, in which tackles are replaced by touching a player or removing a tag from their clothing. Aspects of rugby such as scrums and rucks are also excluded from these forms of the game.

Jonny Cross, a PE teacher at Congleton High School in Cheshire - where rugby is compulsory from the age of 11 - says the sport provides a challenge.

Mr Cross says children wear gum-shields and are taught how to maintain the proper posture in scrums to avoid injury, a technique known as "tower of power".

"Contact rugby helps build character. They are putting their body on the line in a match. The risk factor is part of it," he says.

"They enjoy the contact element. There is a 'boy factor' - it's partly about developing masculinity. They would be more likely to be bored by touch rugby.

"I would say that some students need it. It provides a challenge, where challenge is being taken out of everyday life."

The RFU and the Welsh Rugby Union both said they took player safety "extremely seriously" but that rugby was a "fantastic sport for children" which offered many benefits for society.

The Scottish Rugby Union said it was "committed to player welfare at every level of the game" but pointed out that every sport carried "an element of risk".

South African schools allow tackling, as do schools in Australia - although there has been a recent push to make children wear protective headgear, but this is not compulsory.

In New Zealand, tackling is permitted, but in some schools it is banned in lunchtime games that are not being supervised.

Former England rugby player Matt Perry said: "I took a risk when I started rugby at seven and I'm afraid at school level if that tackle is taken out we've lost one of the great games and one of the great cultural games."

Former England international Brian Moore dismissed the evidence in the letter as "flawed" and "partial".

Obesity would kill more children than rugby, he said.

"If you want to ban things, you've got to do it on the right basis."

The Association for Physical Education said contact versions of the game should be introduced and managed only by "suitably experienced staff" following recognised guidelines.

"Parents should be aware of what sports are taught in the schools they choose to send their children to - if rugby is taught, then parents send their children to the school in the knowledge that they are likely to be asked to play rugby at some level," it added.

A spokesman for the Department for Education in England said: "Team sports, such as rugby, play an important role in developing character.

"We expect schools to be aware of the risks associated with sporting activities and to provide a safe environment for pupils."

The libs and the Feminazis are against anything that shows strength of character or uses testosterone. They want all men to be complete pussies and to spend there time pandering to the needs of some dominating fat slag. Hell if you're a young man at school with confidence or character they say the boy has a hyperactivity problem and treat him with the drug ritalin or adderall. It's time these assholes were stopped, let men be men, ...you bitches get back in the kitchen.