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Is dentistry mostly a scam?
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Lately, I've been wondering if dentists do a lot of unnecessary procedures in order to make money. I'm almost tempted, the next time they suggest drilling, to go see another dentist and get a second opinion, and see if they recommend an identical procedure.

There are, after all, a lot of industries that thrive on over-hyping how much work you need done. Jiffy Lube and other oil change places advise you to change your oil every 3,000 miles even though the manufacturer may say it only needs to be changed every 7,500 miles. It's just a revenue-increaser, and half the time they'll end up inflicting damage on your car (sometimes without telling you). Twice now I've had oil change places cause oil leaks or wreck the drain plug through careless practices. Then of course there's the air filter change ripoff, where they charge you a bunch of money to do one of the easiest car maintenance tasks.

The mental health industry is another example of an industry that is always recommending stuff you don't need. Maybe you're going through a tough time in your life, don't see any clear path to happiness at the moment, and are having a few suicidal thoughts. If you share your feelings, a lot of times well-meaning "friends" or family will say to get psychiatric help. The shrink is usually just going to load you up on drugs, though, that could actually push you over the edge into committing suicide.

Or, you could end up taking unnecessary pills for years (long after the immediate crisis in your life has passed), out of a misguided belief you have a "chemical imbalance" requiring lifelong treatment. Because everyone pressured you to see a shrink, you may feel like if you leave his office without a prescription, you're walking away empty-handed; it's as though he told you, "Sorry, there's nothing I can do." (Which may be the truth, but who wants to hear the truth during their hour of need? Most people just want to hear, "Here's an easy solution to your problem.") Psychiatrists get repeat business by prescribing meds, because the patient has to come back periodically for a new prescription. But the evidence they base their conclusions on is the patient's self-reports; it's not like they can do a brain scan to objectively assess that a chemical imbalance is at the root of the depression.

What about dentistry? The same incentives are in place as with psychiatry to charge out the wazoo for services you don't necessarily need. That is, a lot of people who go to the dentist will have an insurer footing the bill, so they won't be as reluctant to approve a lot of expensive drilling and other work. Whenever I've gotten my teeth drilled, I've never had any symptoms (such as a toothache) that there was anything wrong; it was always based on the dentist's interpretation of an X-ray.

I notice that despite the commercials saying "4 out of 5 dentists recommend..." every dentist I talk to seems to have their own pet theories about how best to take care of your teeth and gums. For example, some dentists will jam floss between your teeth, or poke your gums with a pick, so hard that they bleed, and say that even though you're already flossing every day, you need to floss HARDER or start using a toothpick on your gums. One dentist told me to always use a soft toothbrush; I asked him, why do they bother making medium and hard toothbrushes, and he said he didn't know.

I know guys who have gone like 10 years without seeing a dentist. They don't have toothaches or any other symptoms of problems, so they don't bother going. I didn't have insurance the past several years, so I didn't go either. Sometimes I can feel some sensitivity or visually notice what looks like some decay, but it always seems to go away. Maybe the enamel repairs itself; I dunno. Or maybe one day I'm suddenly going to lose all my teeth.

There have been so many expensive products (such as shampoo) that have turned out to be unnecessary for me, that now I'm suspicious of everything. The way these industries get us, though, is that there's a grain of truth to what they say. For example, if you NEVER get your oil changed, you will indeed wreck your engine. And some people really DO have serious mental health problems (such as psychosis) that a shrink can treat with medication. And some dental problems really do need to be addressed by a professional. As customers, we're usually not experts about this stuff, so how would we know?
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I've been getting lots of work done these past few years and I'm beginning to think it was mostly "preventative".

A friend told me that a friend of his, who's a dentist, said to only get something done on your teeth when there is no other option. Otherwise, leave them alone.

I think regular cleaning's though are worth it.
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Weston Price was a dentist in the 30s who went around the took pictures of hunter-gatherer people's teeth. He found that in spite of the lack of dental care, they had nearly perfectly formed teeth and extremely low rates of cavities.

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These people required no orthodontic work because their teeth had formed properly. He postulated that this was due to their nutrient rich diet as opposed to the westerners who ate a diet with large amounts of refined carbohydrates and sugar. I highly recommend reading the book, it really shows the important of good diet and provide a road map to avoid the need for dental care.
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Short answer, no.

However you should take charge of your health. Your enamel can repair itself by remineralization thanks to fluoride in the drinking water and in toothpaste.

My mouth washing regiment is: You should be flossing every day. No excuses. Get the floss picks if holding a string is too much.

Brush and floss once every day at night before bed. In the morning to get rid of morning mouth, use hydrogen peroxide.

Once a week I use a remineralization mouth wash. Sometimes my teeth get this weird brittle feeling after a bit of time.

I still go in once a year for a cleaning. The dentist always remarks how little film is on my teeth. Never had a cavity.
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I did some more research and found:
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I think theres some truth to this. I've had dentists tell me I need my wisdom teeth removed. Went to another one, he asked does it hurt? No? Then you don't need then removed. I've heard of unneeded root canals too.
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Hi guys,

I am a dentist, though I stopped practicing a few years ago and switched to research (oral cancer). When I have a little more time I'll write a more comprehensive answer to the question "is dentistry a scam," though the short answer is "yeah, sort of."

Briefly:
1) as an adult, if you brush and floss, you should really have no problems, depending on your diet. Dentists usually recommend recall visits every 6 months, but that's not necessary, and incredibly self-serving.

2) that comment about the hunter-gatherers not having cavities is true. The only reason humans get cavities is through the consumption of refined sugars. Before sugary and refined, processed starchy foods emerged into our culture, cavities were very rare. In fact tooth decay was originally considered to be a disease of royalty because only the nobles had access to sugar initially. I'm sure Hunter-gatherer skulls probably showed a lot of tooth wear (their food was much more difficult to chew) but almost no cavities.

3) That stuff about not needing braces because their teeth developed properly seems a bit far-fetched to me. Tooth development has nothing to do with the need for the dental treatment – it all depends on jaw size relative to the teeth that need to erupt. And it's purely for esthetics. Orthodontists will tell you that braces are necessary for proper jaw functioning but that's crap. However, aesthetics do have a place in our society, so I'm not saying ortho is a scam. More like a luxury.

4) due to water Fluoridation and better oral hygiene instruction, tooth decay is becoming more and more rare these days. Therefore, dentists are trying to find new ways to generate money. In fact, when I was a dentist, I remember attending various seminars which were basically innovative ways to get more money from patients that didn't involve drilling on teeth (I.e., sealants for kids, fluoride treatments, iontophoresis for tooth pain, tooth bleaching, temporomandibular joint disorder interventions such as mouthguards, etc.). That's why my answer to the question about it being a scam is "yeah, sort of". The analogy with Jiffy Lube is rather apt: it's a business model where they try to come up with all kinds of other ideas to squeeze money out of the customer.

I'd also be happy to answer any dental questions you guys might have. Everyone here has been quite supportive of me so it's the least I could do.
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Try the book "Kiss your dentist goodbye" which explains the low-impact dentistry movement
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Is dentistry mostly a scam?

I hope so cause I haven't been to one in over 8 years or longer
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As I said, I'm a dentist and I haven't had a scaling and root planing (cleaning), radiographs, or anything in about 20 years.

Oh, and I have all my teeth (including 3rd molars) and no restorations of any kind.
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(12-31-2016 10:58 AM)Stirfry Wrote:  As I said, I'm a dentist and I haven't had a scaling and root planing (cleaning), radiographs, or anything in about 20 years.

Oh, and I have all my teeth (including 3rd molars) and no restorations of any kind.

Have any tips on taking care of chipped teeth?
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Hey Stirfry,

What tips do you have on taking care of your teeth so well? You haven't been to a dentist in 20 years so I'm sure your doing some action such as avoiding a type of drink or food and/or flossing everyday or some thing along those lines.
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One of the scams they do is pushing unnecessary dental X-rays. Most Dentists will want to do an X-ray on an annual basis, even if you're a low risk patient. I've never had a cavity in my life nor any history of dental problems and yet my Dentist wants to X-ray me every year. It's a combination of pure profiteering (the X-ray is just another moneymaker he can bill straight to insurance) and the "CYA" mentality doctors have in this litigious society (which is basically the excuse he gave me).

Most people don't need to regularly go to the dentist anyway. It's very easy to take good care of your teeth yourself.

1) Brush 2x daily
2) Floss daily (realistically 2x a week is pretty good)
3) Get a dental scaler and remove plaque buildup once or twice a month
4) Don't eat a lot of high sugar content food/candy
5) Rinse your mouth out well with water after every meal
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Depends on the chip- if it's into dentin, you should have it repaired, because dentin is softer than enamel- it can wear away or begin to decay.
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My tips for proper dental care:

1) brush after every meal. If that's not practical, than twice a day (morning and evening- never go to bed with food or sugary liquids stuck to your teeth). Floss 1x day, or as much as practical.

2) sugar free gum or candy is good, because it gets saliva flowing and saliva is highly protective against cavities and periodontal disease. People with poor salivary flow due to illness or other conditions have horrible rampant decay and periodontal bone loss.

3) The best thing to do is to try not to get cavities in the first place, because much dental work in adults involves removing and replacing old restorations that have leaked or old crown and bridge work that has broken or decayed. In other words, watch your diet! Stay away from sugary sticky foods, and soda- especially sugary cola! God that stuff is horrible for your teeth, as well as just about every other part of your body. Drink diet soda if you have to. If you don't drill into the tooth to begin with and maintain a smooth enamel surface, that's the best defense against cavities. No porcelain restoration or composite filling will ever be better than your natural teeth.
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It is not, but I certainly hope people continue to think that it is. That's what keeps dental insurance costs so low - many, many people have it from work, pay into it each paycheck.....and then never go.

One of my best buds has had dental insurance as part of his normal work benefits. Hasn't been to one in 10 years.

I get 3 cleanings a year, seriously (and recently finished an invisalign regimine)
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Great thread.

My take: It's definitely turned into more of an "industry" than it used to be. Of course society needs dentists just like it needs accountants, lawyers, doctors, etc. But being a dentist is a tough and competitive business, and in order to stay profitable, I get the sense that many dentists are coming under pressure to talk people into doing things that are not necessary.

The reality is that as long as people do what Scorpion described in his post above, they will not need to visit the dentist every 6 months as adults.

Example of something I think is not necessary: last year I was told that my gumline was slightly receding. Against my better judgment I decided to pay $300 for a "bite guard" that you can use at night to prevent your teeth from grinding together. This supposedly helps prevent the gums from receding and keeps the teeth intact. Whatever. I've used it here and there, but don't get the feeling that it is doing any good.
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(12-31-2016 11:07 AM)Stirfry Wrote:  Depends on the chip- if it's into dentin, you should have it repaired, because dentin is softer than enamel- it can wear away or begin to decay.

How do you tell if the chip is into dentin? One of my molars has a couple chips that have been there for a few years now, without repairing themselves or wearing away all the way to the pulp (I assume I would've noticed if it had). It actually does look a little brownish, so I guess that's dentin.

What do you think about electric toothbrushes; it is true that they clean teeth more effectively and with less toothbrush abrasion than manual toothbrushes? What about toothpaste? I was reading that a high abrasive toothpaste can actually do more harm than good. Someone wrote, "Think of your tooth as a glass surface. You need to brush it softly. If you scrub too hard, you will end up scratching the tooth surface, just like glass."

It's often recommended to brush after meals, but I've also read that you should wait 30 minutes after eating because oral pH drops following meals and you can end up brushing away your enamel. However, this time frame can be shortened by rinsing with a solution of water and our good friend, baking soda.
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(12-31-2016 12:32 PM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  What do you think about electric toothbrushes; it is true that they clean teeth more effectively and with less toothbrush abrasion than manual toothbrushes? What about toothpaste? I was reading that a high abrasive toothpaste can actually do more harm than good. Someone wrote, "Think of your tooth as a glass surface. You need to brush it softly. If you scrub too hard, you will end up scratching the tooth surface, just like glass."

I have a Phillips Sonicare and the difference between that and a regular tooth brush is night and day. You'll get a cleaning as good as or better than at the dentists.

Brush twice when you have time, but always floss after meals and rinse. The worst decay comes from having sugar and food particles stuck between your chompers.
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(12-31-2016 10:42 AM)Stirfry Wrote:  snip

I'd also be happy to answer any dental questions you guys might have. Everyone here has been quite supportive of me so it's the least I could do.

Thanks for your informative reply. I have one question for you if you don't mind:

How legitimate are cavities, really?

When I was a kid I used to get em all the time. I remember I went in once for the first time in a couple of years and I had like 8 of them. Granted, my oral hygiene was abysmal back then.

Nowadays I brush all the time, and floss every night of the year unless I go to bed drunk. Which is almost never anyway. Point is, sometimes they still tell me I have cavities and got to get more fillings, despite me being meticulous about flossing now that I'm no longer a kid.

Dentistry being sort of a scam is an idea that's been on my mind for a while.
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(12-31-2016 11:07 AM)Stirfry Wrote:  Depends on the chip- if it's into dentin, you should have it repaired, because dentin is softer than enamel- it can wear away or begin to decay.

I've had it chipped for over a year, nothing really has changed other than it being an annoying area of my mouth.

No need to worry then?
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It's a scam in so that it's very easy to take advantage of people, much like mechanics. They'll tell you that you need things fixed when you don't. Procedures you need that you often don't. But dentistry is still important. You just need to try to stick to those you trust.
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The timing of this is hilarious.

I was out last night with a girl about to be a dental hygienist, and asked her basically this same question for the same reasons.

She had decent answer. I brought up how we don't get body scans and physicals every 6 months.

"Yeah, exactly should get physical or some body scan every 6 months or year" backed up with "all these occurrences" (probably 2) where dentists have found cancer or hypertension or other disease because they hadn't been to the doctor in years.

Edit: I see the OP was back in April. Well the thread bump was funny.
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