Post: #1

You're at a public venue, a restaurant, bar, or club.

You see two girls, 1 hot, the other merely cute, seated.
They're having an intense conversation.

Do you approach, or do you keep it moving?

If you do approach, How do you handle all the moving parts?

WIA

Post: #2

Is the conversation about that tough calculus exam question or whether Kim is a Hobbit?

Post: #3

I'd probably only engage if there were no other targets

But if they were wearing MAGA stuff and hot..... I'd engage for sure

Post: #4

Bitch you ain't a hobbit is you?

Post: #5

I wouldn't engage them.

A buddy and I were hanging out in a bar where he went out for a cigarette so I grabbed a seat on a sofa. Few metres away were two girls having a conversation, they were so engrossed in the conversation that they paid no attention to anyone around them. I'm only waiting for a max a few minutes for my buddy so I did't see any point in attempting to engage them. Half an hour later or so I walk passed them again and they are still so engrossed in the conversation.

No green light whatsoever so didn't engage.

Post: #6

If I'm sitting there having to listen I'd chime in when an opportunity presents itself. Especially if they're talking about dudes or relationships or shit that happened to them, I like to play the mysterious stranger who knows a thing or two.
I've had this happen a few times the past year. Each time one of the girls eventually started asking me questions about myself.

And we know what that means.

Post: #7

Did this just last week with another forum member.

We engaged. The other member opened and I came in and winged so I don't know how he approached, but we just asked them why they were sitting talking all serious instead of dancing (it was at a club) and they told us about some drama a friend just died etc. Moved the conversation away from the depressing and and got them talking about themselves then asking questions about us. Set ultimately died out as they got up to go dance (without us) though I ended up dancing with them later on in the night.

I think a lot of it depends on the setting. If it's during the daytime I would leave them be, but if you are at a nightclub - bitches should be there to have a good time not sulk or prattle on about drama. Be the "good time" and take them away from that bs.

A few weeks ago I was out with Linux and saw a similar set. Two blond 6.5's sat at the table right next to the fireplace where we were lounging and starting talking about some drama stuff. I should have opened as it seems like they positioned themselves close by deliberately.

You've got nothing to lose by opening. Worst case scenario you get rejected. Whatever move on.

There are a couple openers. The most obvious would be to tease about why they are being so serious at such a fun relaxing place. They will likely let you in on their drama - then just move the conversation away from that drama and get them in a happier place.

Another possible opener is to eaves drop for a second then come in with the "I couldn't help but overhear..." deal and move from there. I just think it's important to move the topic away from whatever serious/dramatic/sad shit they are talking about. It's a huge plus if one of the girls is sulking about being recently single

Post: #8

I did this a few weeks ago at a bar in Providence. One of the girls having the heart to heart was a good-looking bartender who had been friendly with me in the past.

I paused as I walked by and started to say "So I c..."

The bartender immediately glares at me with a look of death, and states simply: "What."

One of the harshest blowouts I've had in recent memory.

(06-05-2016 10:14 AM)Ethan Hunt Wrote:  I wouldn't engage them.

A buddy and I were hanging out in a bar where he went out for a cigarette so I grabbed a seat on a sofa. Few metres away were two girls having a conversation, they were so engrossed in the conversation that they paid no attention to anyone around them. I'm only waiting for a max a few minutes for my buddy so I did't see any point in attempting to engage them. Half an hour later or so I walk passed them again and they are still so engrossed in the conversation.

No green light whatsoever so didn't engage.

"Celibacy clubs" involving two, three, or more girls who never once leave their table and engage in deep, engrossing conversation all night are a pretty common sight at bars and nightclubs around here that cater to an older crowd. Likely discussing how their last round of Tinder meetups went.

Post: #9

(06-05-2016 09:46 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  You're at a public venue, a restaurant, bar, or club.

You see two girls, 1 hot, the other merely cute, seated.
They're having an intense conversation.

Do you approach, or do you keep it moving?

If you do approach, How do you handle all the moving parts?

WIA

Restaurant, I will pass but Lounge, or Bar, I will play the Joe Black technique. Thanks HankMoody for that. You need to position your self close to them without being seem as a creeper; this is the most difficult part, and either generate their attention, or they have some prod where you can insert yourself and ask a ridiculously question. If they engage is game, if not, let it stew for 15 minutes, and play the I have to go-it will-only take-3-min- technique. If they do not engage, eject, if they do, go through the Magic Bullet Pipeline.

peace, the Joe Black technique fucking works, unbelievable technique, and indirect game technique.

Post: #10

I go in and throw a comment or ask a question, preferably something related to their conversation if I heard what they are talking about etc. Then I add "am I interrupting something important? If I do just let me know, I'll just go, I don't want to ". The magic here is that even if I do interrupt [of course I do, duh..] the fact that acknowledge what I'm doing makes me much more friendly and cool in their eyes, they look at me in different light now. It's very refreshing. The girls, even interrupted, would very likely tell me "no it's fine" and let me carry on at least for enough time to make up their mind whether they like me or not.

What do you mean by "handling moving parts"? You mean moving them around, taking them somewhere, isolating, etc? If so then I go like this.. I talk about stuff including "what are you doing right now?" to figure out what the situation is and then I know what I can do. I don't hope for anything in a situation like that. Usually nothing outstanding can be done, but if they're free at a time and open to spend some time with me then taking them both with me somewhere nearby is doable. And that's a good start.

Post: #11

(06-05-2016 11:54 AM)XXL Wrote:  What do you mean by "handling moving parts"? You mean moving them around, taking them somewhere, isolating, etc? If so then I go like this.. I talk about stuff including "what are you doing right now?" to figure out what the situation is and then I know what I can do. I don't hope for anything in a situation like that. Usually nothing outstanding can be done, but if they're free at a time and open to spend some time with me then taking them both with me somewhere nearby is doable. And that's a good start.

1. It's a two set
2. They're seated
3. They are into each other and oblivious to the world.

Each individual element by itself has lots of complexity.

- There's a logistical/power thing with the seated aspect. Probably the easiest to push through.

- There's a social dynamic with the two set, that's usually very hard. Opening a regular two set isn't easy, but getting a good close is infinitely harder because your options are limited because you're dealing with two emotional states that may be competing with each other, or cooperating against you. The ideal outcome is that the one you do not want makes it easy for you to get the one you don't. It's rare when that happens.

- And then there's a specific emotional under current when two people are in deep rapport. Breaking that up is probably the most volatile of all 3.

When it comes to common tough situations that I find myself in, I think the Morning Crowded Train to Work is actually an easier scenario.

WIA

Post: #12

(06-05-2016 11:35 AM)JuanQuinQuin Wrote:  Restaurant, I will pass but Lounge, or Bar, I will play the Joe Black technique. Thanks HankMoody for that. You need to position your self close to them without being seem as a creeper; this is the most difficult part, and either generate their attention, or they have some prod where you can insert yourself and ask a ridiculously question. If they engage is game, if not, let it stew for 15 minutes, and play the I have to go-it will-only take-3-min- technique. If they do not engage, eject, if they do, go through the Magic Bullet Pipeline.

peace, the Joe Black technique fucking works, unbelievable technique, and indirect game technique.

If you can snap them out of the rapport, indirectly, that's a solid move.

Good stuff.

WIA

Post: #13

Players who roll solo are accustomed to doing this all the time. Hot girls are not going to be alone that often in such a venue, unless they are waiting for a friend or date.

Ultimately, if one or both girls like your look and vibe, you have a good chance.

Women talk and are engaged in heart to hearts all the time. That is what they do. I don't let this stop me from approaching a hot girl.

Sit close enough to engage them, order a drink and wait for a moment. There might be a moment when their conversation lightens in laughter and you can use the good old Roosh line, "You look like your having the most fun here".

If not, interject and acknowledge the seriousness of their conversation (with a smirk) and make an observation on the music, venue, or crowd. "I know you guys are having a special moment here, but did you notice....."

Post: #14

I doubt that anyone can indirectly snap two girls out of their trance when they're in their own world vibing together. By vibing I mean leaning at each other, ignoring everybody, deep in conversation.completely cut off from the place. You can either break in hard or you're invisible.

Post: #15

Thinking about my situation with the bartender and her friend a while back - it's probably not a good idea to interrupt two girls who look like they're having a "heart to heart" (rather than just chatting and enjoying themselves) if there's too great a disparity in looks between them.

Bartender's an "8". Friend is barely a "6". So in these situations what should my intuition tell me that the "heart to heart" is about? It's always gonna be the less attractive girl complaining to the hot girl "Ugh, why doesn't he like meee..." "Ugh, I just got pumped and dumped by an asshole again..."

A bad conversation to interrupt if you start talking to the hot one first!

Post: #16

There's probably a million different ways to engage but they all start with a certain amount of "audacity" on your part to make the initial engagement. The more knowledgeable and worldly you are the easier it's going to be to "jump in" and engage, but you need to be confident.

Post: #17

I'll be the first to admit that approaching groups, let alone two-sets, shit-scares me as much as the next man. Yet outside of Tinder, that's how I've scored much of my bangs/make outs — not that my lifetime notch count is that much.

The most memorable one was at a pizzeria takeaway in Barcelona last October. It was around 0200 so time for revellers to feed up. I was facing a Serbian and Ukrainian who were sitting by the shopfront counter.

They were speaking English to each other, which was even more of a green light for me. It was one of those moments where I told myself, "If you don't approach them, you'll live to regret it."

I waited for a lull in their conversation before asking them, "How're the pizzas?"

Yes, it was that simple.

They told me to come up to sit with them. We talked complete faff, from how London (their home) was going, to nightlife here. I don't recall a huge amount of escalation, but we planned to hit the town the next night.

I preferred the Serb, but after an unsatisfactory night out that eventually saw us dropping her home, it was indeed the Ukrainian I got with (and whose number I closed the night before). No complaints from me; despite being in their early 30s, they were both at least an 8.
We decided to take a walk to the waterfront, skinny-dipped, tried fucking on the beach, then returned to theirs to carry on the deed all over her apartment until sunrise.

The other example I have the fits the OP question was a few weeks ago, which I logged in the Approach thread.

Their conversation wasn't even anything serious; most chick D&M's are really just gossipy bullshit. I must've felt like a dolt for hanging on to what they were saying behind me such that I could make my grand appearance.
In that instance it was when she said something about "look at my shoes" and my head happened to be cocked in her direction, whereby I could plausibly chip in.

Post: #18

Joe Black routine...I like it, and it's also one of my favorite movies.

I found the video link. A very succinct display of a great pickup.




It's so versatile, because for the experienced player, he can make a big scene like Brad Pitt did. Or for the newb, you can do this on a milder level, and at least use it to strike up some conversation.

It's beautiful because he builds up big emotional drama, then shows how lighthearted he takes his "kid-sister's" relationship drama. The key is when he laughs it off right after hanging up. He shows he can handle women, because he doesn't take their drama too seriously.

(05-19-2014 06:27 PM)jtbabycarrots Wrote:  ...
Notice how he creates 1) an entire story thread that he can pick up on later when he approaches. Then 2) he hits an emotional chord by showing that he cares, by giving advice and saying, "I love you".
...

Credit this post above where I found it. For my mental sanity, I wouldn't call it the fake phone call. It's a real phone call ("It's not a lie, if you believe it"). Even if there's no one actually on the other end.

Post: #19

(06-06-2016 10:35 AM)heavy Wrote:  Joe Black routine...I like it, and it's also one of my favorite movies.

I found the video link. A very succinct display of a great pickup.




It's so versatile, because for the experienced player, he can make a big scene like Brad Pitt did. Or for the newb, you can do this on a milder level, and at least use it to strike up some conversation.

It's beautiful because he builds up big emotional drama, then shows how lighthearted he takes his "kid-sister's" relationship drama. The key is when he laughs it off right after hanging up. He shows he can handle women, because he doesn't take their drama too seriously.

(05-19-2014 06:27 PM)jtbabycarrots Wrote:  ...
Notice how he creates 1) an entire story thread that he can pick up on later when he approaches. Then 2) he hits an emotional chord by showing that he cares, by giving advice and saying, "I love you".
...

Credit this post above where I found it. For my mental sanity, I wouldn't call it the fake phone call. It's a real phone call ("It's not a lie, if you believe it"). Even if there's no one actually on the other end.

On top of the the mirroring towards the end when he pours the coffee, he knows it and she knows it and you can bet she's thinking how connected they are as they are moving in unison.

Post: #20

What does that joe black scene have to do with situation WIA asked about? It's exactly opposite. The last thing two chicks having vivid heart to heart will notice is some dude talking on the phone in the corner behind them with his back turned.

Post: #21

(06-06-2016 01:13 PM)Ethan Hunt Wrote:  On top of the the mirroring towards the end when he pours the coffee, he knows it and she knows it and you can bet she's thinking how connected they are as they are moving in unison.

The strength is in his lighthearted confidence. He's not an ass about it. He knows she'll get turned off by brash cockiness.

He also shows strong persistence that is not try-hard. He agrees and amplifies her shit-test of "I have to go, got patients, etc..." and then states that he'd like to have another coffee (with her joining but the read-between-the-lines is that he'd like to have another cup of coffee regardless of her decision to join him).

When she agrees, he doesn't ask the waitress for another coffee, he doesn't even ask for permission. He takes the coffee pot, signals to the staff he's pouring another coffee...essentially asking for forgiveness he knows he'll get, and taking immediate action. He doesn't allow any other factors to get in the way of him having coffee with her immediately.

The beauty is that at a diner like that, they probably don't even charge for refilling the coffee. He just "bought" her a cup of coffee that is worth far more than a 10 dollar super fancy coffee elsewhere that he actually paid for.

Post: #22

(06-06-2016 02:45 PM)XXL Wrote:  What does that joe black scene have to do with situation WIA asked about? It's exactly opposite. The last thing two chicks having vivid heart to heart will notice is some dude talking on the phone in the corner behind them with his back turned.

Not only that, it's a movie scene, contrived, scripted.

Post: #23

Depends on how you approach it. I've done this while drunk:

me: excuse me, I want to talk to your friend. *with a smile*

And the other girl just got up, walked away and let me run game. It only worked because I was drunk and I am sorta stately and polite while really drunk. Perhaps they thought it was cute.

I did not bang.

Post: #24

XXL throws the fantasy game scenario out the window. What he talks about is the reality almost everytime. If you go in where you need to really interrupt I think you need to be direct and polite and hope they dig you and want to take a break from girl time.

I would rather approach girls in a crowded train and ask about a girl's iPhone or the music she is listening to than approach a 2 set in deep conversation as far as bang success rate.

That Joe Black clip is funny because it would
be like me hitting on a mousy 6. He is so
much better looking than her it is ridiculous and she has the personality of a wet napkin.

Post: #25

What I would do is sit near them and listen for a few minutes. If they say something remotely interesting, tangentially hop into the conversation.

"I couldn't help but overhearing you. Why do you think that blah blah blah?"

Part of it depends on your natural approachability (mine is very high), compared with your creep factor (mine is very low). You have to come off like you're genuinely interested in the conversation, which is usually done by being genuinely interested in the conversation.