Post: #1

I am having a tough time figuring out how to approach a group of 4+ girls seated around a table. I went to a bar tonight where the only really approachable group was seated around 2 tables. It was all girls and they were all very cute. There was about 10 of them in total. How does one deal with approaching seated girls, especially if they are eating? In this case, it was just finger food and not a sit down meal.

Post: #2

You should have gone to a different bar. Girls in huge groups aren't usually DTF and 9 times out of 10 you'll get cockblocked anyway. Girls who are looking for some dick will usually be alone or in pairs (or to a lesser extent groups of 3).

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http://www.rooshv.com/7-signs-you-should...ach-a-girl

Post: #3

(01-20-2012 09:51 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  You should have gone to a different bar. Girls in huge groups aren't usually DTF and 9 times out of 10 you'll get cockblocked anyway. Girls who are looking for some dick will usually be alone or in pairs (or to a lesser extent groups of 3).

Co-sign.

Post: #4

Rule of thumb:

Avoid approaching groups of girls alone and avoid approaching girls sitting down in general.

Post: #5

(01-20-2012 10:01 PM)Gmac Wrote:  Rule of thumb:

Avoid approaching groups of girls alone and avoid approaching girls sitting down in general.

Unless in a booth at a diner or Denny's type situation. In that case you take the one on either side and freestyle after a few minutes.

Post: #6

Depends on the situation. Before I had much of an understanding of game, I approached groups of girls like that. Basically you become an entertainer. Chances are you aren't going to get one of those girls, but the good thing is that often drew the attention of other girls at the bar, and I could game them.

I digress though, I don't recommend trying to go after a bunch of girls seated at a table. Pick a point in your venue where they'll inevitably have to pass by you, then say something as they come into your area to try and get them to stop. Helps if they're going out to smoke, up to the bar, or towards the bathroom alone. The other option is to make a move on the dance floor.

Post: #7

This is a high-cockblock scenario. Fatties and cunts revel in shooting guys down from behind a wall of friends. That, or you end up merely providing entertainment for the group until they get tired of you and start ignoring you or outright dismiss you. Isolating your target away from the table, unless it's a dance place where you can pull one out to the dance floor, is also near-impossible. This is especially the case if they're in some big-ass table and she's somewhere in the middle (which, of course, she will ALWAYS be). I don't mean to nay-say, but the bigger the group the rarer it's going to be to be able to get enough clearance to create some attraction. I would probably avoid the situation all together, given the choice.

If you put a gun to my head and made me do something, I would probably go nuclear (dumb youtube-PUA-video style), scoping the likely targets, and approaching the group with something like this. It's cornball as shit--and it is very likely to fail--but honestly the only thing I could see as working. It's a suicide mission with a low success rate, really.

**I haven't done shit like this since my early days in game AND WOULDN'T NOW:

Tuthmosis (loudly): Guys, can I ask your opinion real quick?
Girls (in chorus): Yes?
Tuthmosis: It's really important.
Girls (smattering): Ok, what?
Tuthmosis: Do I look better with glasses or without? [taking off glasses and putting them on] I'm thinking about getting LASIK and this is key. I'm asking everyone.
Mother Hen of the Group: Let's see. Do it again.
Tuthmosis: Better on? Better off? [repeating procedure]
Girl 2: Definitely off.
Girl 3: Yeah off.
Tuthmosis: That's what I thought. Aren't these cool glasses, though? They were kind of expensive.
Mother Hen: They're cool, but better off.
Tuthmosis: My friend Kate says my best feature is my cheekbones and that glasses tend to hide them.
Girl 4: You have good cheekbones. [playfulness noted]
Tuthmosis: But my mom says glasses "soften" [doing air quotes] my face so I look less threatening and dangerous.
Girl 2: Your mom sounds kind of mean.

[at this point, if I go further I become the entertainment clown. I stop dead in my my tracks and go nuclear.]

Tuthmosis: Well forget that. I have to confess that I really came over because I wanted to talk to your friend [pointing at target]. She has a friendly face and I only know people with unfriendly faces at the moment. Can I borrow her for five minutes? I'll bring her right back.

[target gets super embarrassed; says "oh my god" or something; looks away; the girls cluck around like chickens; laugh; maybe they jeer at you]

[Then the mother hen of the group will speak up; if she approves, she'll tease you about it and grant you permission (having, at some point, looked at your target to get her subtle cues); if she's a cunt she'll tell you to buzz off; if you've done your work right, you will have won her over and she'll say something like:]

Mother Hen: Why should we loan her to you?
Tuthmosis: Because if I don't bring her back in the condition you gave her to me, I'll bring you back two friends.
Girls: [laughter]
Tuthmosis: [to target] Come, let's chit-chat for two minutes.
Girl 4: This is so weird.
Tuthmosis: You'll be fine.

Tuthmosis: [while walking a safe distance from the group] Sorry about that. That's not usually my style, but you were behind that massive wall of girls.
Girl 4: [laughs] Well, that was pretty bold. How can I help you? [trying to be funny]

Etc. Etc.

I have to say that of all the times in my life that I tried Nuclear Casanova bullshit like this, it maybe "worked" twice. Plus, the absolute best you're going to get is a number with a high-flake rate. I don't remember making out with--never mind banging--any of the girls I met in groups bigger than, say, 3. When I learned the importance of target selection, not long after jumping into game like this, I stopped wasting the massive amounts of energy needed for a low-success-rate approach like this.

So: Not recommended. But you asked.

Post: #8

Sadly, it's often necessary to approach like this in countries other than the US where there is no meat-market culture.

In my city of 1m+ people I seriously only know of like two bars that you can just walk in, buy a beer from the bartender, and start walking around the place.
I exclude the neighborhood dive bars, of course - but the classier places nowadays are 99% like this: you enter, the hostess asks you - do you have seats booked? If not, she offers to assign you seats. And not just seats at tables, mind you - every fucking bar stool also has a "reserved" sign before it and the hostess has to give it to you. Of course, if she is not your friend or if you don't grease her, she would put you in the corner, or next to the three old dudes - not next to the couple of hot girls.

The other factor is the bottle service culture, which gets worse year after year. It's pretty much accepted now that when you go out, you have to buy a bottle - to show others that you can spend; to get a good table; or to avoid losing track of the tab and being overcharged (you have probably all been in a situation where the check comes with say 25 items and you are sure you only ordered 18 drinks among your party, but whatcha gonna do, call the manager?)

So more often then not, when going out to a club people combine with their friends in order to get a table and buy a bottle, therefore most approaches have to be in this situation where 6+ other people are judging you as you spit game and are on standby to intervene should they be in the cockblocking mood.

Post: #9

The one reason I would recommend for approaching groups of girls is because you have your target set for one or more girls NOT IN said group. Just go up to the group chat with them a while, let the surroundings see you engaging them in a relaxed manner for a little while and before they get the chance to wave you off you make a controlled, smooth ejection.

Now, with some luck you now have a couple of live targets around the place that has witnessed a slice of your style.

This is all real low-key however, if you need an avalanche to get a girl with you, this is the equivalent of a snowball. Still it's another weapon in your arsenal. I've done it a few times, and while I've gotten comments from the live targets about seeing me engaging a group it's hardly the one true moistness move.

And heck, it takes balls to approach girls in groups this big. I know I've choked a few times doing it.

Post: #10

I would never do a serious approach on a large seated group-the social dynamics are too against you.

But I can see Vicious' point that a drive by approach would be good for some flash game to impress nearby targets.

I mostly open seated girls when I am myself seated-bar, coffeehouse, etc

If I get a strong IOI I will approach a seated target as if I am just walking by and had a sudden thought to say something to her before I continue on (implied false time constraint). In these cases- I think it's best to not face her directly at first-just talk in a sideways manner and don't stand too close- if you loom over her it can be creepy and intimidating

Post: #11

These were all excellent posts. Thanks again guys.

Post: #12

Some guys might not agree with me but this is what I usually do....

1) Go up to her by touching her on the shoulder to where she faces me. I go grab her hand and pull her up to where she's also standing to face me
2) Same as #1, except...i tap her on the shoulder....introducing myself, then she says her name....i go to shake her hand, once our hands meets....i take it and pull her up. If she resists a little bit, i just use a bit more force and bam.

You'd be surprised how many women will comply with this. Just have to try it for yourself and have belief. #1 some girls might not go for it but there are still plenty who would.

Post: #13

90% of the time, if the group doesn't get up and leave together, they end up getting drunk, and the circle gets broken. Girls will start breaking off into 2/3-sets, standing, hovering, going to the bar. What was once an impossible fortress is now several loosely-guarded encampments. If you've made a few forays earlier in the evening with passing, casual chit-chat, your job is much easier than it is for the other circling vultures.

Post: #14

I'm going to go against the grain on this one (based on the first few replies).

True, you will most def not get a same night lay. But if that girl is smoking enough, I wouldn't pass it up.

The other situation is when there's only one or two girls and they're surrounded by their frat boy friends (college gals) or something along those lines.

In both cases once you see the one you want, you have to have tight inner game obviously. I just walk up after making and keeping eye contact and control my rate of speech (you will be excited and you will feel all the girls/guys burning holes through you). Maintain eye contact, this makes her feel like it's just the two of you in the middle of a storm.

Me: I noticed you from afar and wanted to introduce myself.

Girl: I'm *girl that's going to get banged in 1-3 meetups*

Me: I've got some friends that are waiting on me, let's catch up sometime.

Girl: Wait, what's your name??

Me: Fisto *eye contact*

*insert generic comfort building within about 1 minute*

The only way to go is direct. I remember 2 occasions where that's the basics of what I did. Once there was this girl sitting at a table full of cops in uniform, the whole table went dead silent while we were speaking, the girl loved that I didn't give a fuck that her coworkers (she was a cop too) were there.

2nd time was when there was a table full of girls and one guy, I got the number and as I was walking away the guy goes "now that takes balls".

Instant DHV.

My 2 cents. Either way it's good batting practice.

Post: #15

(01-23-2012 02:02 PM)TheWolfHowls Wrote:  Some guys might not agree with me but this is what I usually do....

1) Go up to her by touching her on the shoulder to where she faces me. I go grab her hand and pull her up to where she's also standing to face me
2) Same as #1, except...i tap her on the shoulder....introducing myself, then she says her name....i go to shake her hand, once our hands meets....i take it and pull her up. If she resists a little bit, i just use a bit more force and bam.

You'd be surprised how many women will comply with this. Just have to try it for yourself and have belief. #1 some girls might not go for it but there are still plenty who would.

Good stuff.

Yes, they've been tough elements to get in. Very learning experiences.

Post: #16

^Thanks my good man . I dunno...it just seems to feel the most natural to do it that way. Just you and her.

Post: #17

If I'm going direct in this scenario I'd shoot for Fisto's l(welcome back) ong-term strategy, TheWolf'Howls approach is more hit than miss. Trying to insta-isolate will easily get you cockblocked/shut out by a friend. It's enough for one of them to react for the others to back her up in pure pack mentality.

Post: #18

(01-24-2012 12:17 AM)Vicious Wrote:  If I'm going direct in this scenario I'd shoot for Fisto's l(welcome back) ong-term strategy, TheWolf'Howls approach is more hit than miss. Trying to insta-isolate will easily get you cockblocked/shut out by a friend. It's enough for one of them to react for the others to back her up in pure pack mentality.

Thankyou sir. Ways this can pan out in the same night are, txting her immediately while you're still talking so she has your number, dropping the name of the place YOU will be later. If you handled yourself impressively enough you will get a txt "hey" or "hey we're at XXXX". If she's at the place you went to it would be good to have already been gaming other girls so that she sees them on you. As far as pulling her from the table to your bed, I've yet to do that with a girl that's high quality or know anyone that has...

Post: #19

(01-24-2012 12:17 AM)Vicious Wrote:  If I'm going direct in this scenario I'd shoot for Fisto's l(welcome back) ong-term strategy, TheWolf'Howls approach is more hit than miss. Trying to insta-isolate will easily get you cockblocked/shut out by a friend. It's enough for one of them to react for the others to back her up in pure pack mentality.

As crazy as this sounds, the sexier she is, the more they're likely to go along with it. Doing this actually counts as isolation in the smallest sense to where its more likely she'll commit to going further course thats when you have a feel for the situation.

I feel the hits outweighs the misses.

Post: #20

This is tough. But this is what I would do.

Approach the group and say something, doesnt matter what, just say for example "I hear they have home made vodka here bla bla bla" or "it looks like you are here to celebrate something, I can tell because you all seem like you're having more fun than anyone else in the place" (thanks to Roosh for that one". Since its a big group you are not going to make much progress at this point. BUT: your goal is introduce yourself as an interesting/NORMAL person at the bar so that when the group gets up to mingle around later and they might, you can approach one of them again (maybe one that you get a subtle vibe from) and spin game later on but this time not as a stranger but as someone they "already know" and may be more receptive to. In the mean time, talk to other people.

Key point: introduce yourself (not by name necessarily), show that you are normal, observe them for potential interest, walk away from them and talk to other people on your own time scale, game them individually later on if you feel it. That's my take. No guarantees.

Post: #21

Ok guys I have made my living approaches girls sitting on tables, mostly outside on patios at night. The reason I have experience in this is that the fine ladies in my town go to wine bars(its the in thing right now) and sadly wine bars have tables as they want to feed people their over priced mediocre food. 6 months ago I had hesitation and had no idea how to approach women sitting down but once you get over that its actually better in a way. And it doesnt hurt that my wing is so approach crazy that a lot of time we fight on who is going to open and actually end up opening at the same time.

Here are the rules

1. Approach women sitting at table by themselves, with a friend or with two friends.
2. Better to approach tables that have at least one smoker in the mix.
3. Dress up nicely and have confident body language as you make firm eye contact and walk up to them.
4. Be interesting.

This is what I do. We go to venue after pre drinking, get a drink, go outside and never get a table ourselves. Just get a vintage point standing up where we can monitor traffic and talent. And within 2 minutes I pick my first target make eye contact start walking towards the table and as they are in bewilderment watching me walk towards them, all I say is

"Good evening ladies"....they say good evening to you too and how are you or something....

and the next line is mostly going to my proven repertoir of

1. Asking for light if they are smokers and monitor their body language for interest.
2. Ask them if she bought her shoes from Nordstrom. I mentioned on an opener post they throw up everything about their shoes and how they love Nordstrom.
3. Ask them what they are out celebrating if they are dressed right....

By this time my buddy has engaged the other target/s on table in similiar fashion. Then i use these these words exactly

"Do you mind" and without waiting for a reply put my butt in one of the chair and my buddy does too.

We spend 5 minutes trying to see if they are interesting and DTF and if yes we invest time and then venue change within the next hour or get number if they are resisting venue change. If not interested we say we need to discuss a business venture amongst ourselves and go back to vantage point and take a few minutes break.

I think playful and group fun is easier on tables.....as no other dudes can come hit on them as it takes balls and people just assume if you on table with someone they are already with you...so no distractions and kino can be escalated under the table and so on....

THere are BITCHES out there that are rude and they actually say no when you try to sit on their table and thats fine....i just shake my head and go to vintage point and then onto next target....

Some people are thinking you run out of tables to approach and the truth is yes you do and thats why this place is part of our rotation on a given night and not to spend whole night here....and some people might think bitches see you getting rejected from table to table and you look like loser but really...bitches are so self absorbed they are mostly oblivious to whats going on around them....

My rejection rate on this is maybe 10% over last 6 months....so mostly we spend our time with the first or second table we approach and then venue change....

Post: #22

(01-20-2012 10:31 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-20-2012 10:01 PM)Gmac Wrote:  Rule of thumb:

Avoid approaching groups of girls alone and avoid approaching girls sitting down in general.

Unless in a booth at a diner or Denny's type situation. In that case you take the one on either side and freestyle after a few minutes.

El mechanico I love how you bring it down to the Denny's level
How's your Waffle House game down there in Florida?

Post: #23

Satanova, that sounds pretty good. What about a table full of girls?

Post: #24

Fisto full table is hard to crack....two approaches here....

1. Identify target and wait for Target to go to bar or restroom and approach...
2. Engage whole group as an entertainer....asking them who is the bachelorette or whose divorce are they celebrating....or ask for opinion on food item they ordered....and then see who is responding and shift attention to her and see if she invites you to join table....once on table maneauver to engage real Target...

All uphill though....I have had some success on 1 and none on 2....too many criss crossing dynamics...

Post: #25

I have done fairly well in such scenarios, the trick is to call out any cock blockers on the spot, if she mutters something rude, say very loudly whats that your muttering. Most cock blockers will back down in that way. If she cock blocks you and does it loudly you must confront her head on and challenge her, ignore her and keep chopping away for the pussy you want