Post: #1

Given:
I am introverted by nature and somewhat misanthropic with some RP knowledge. However, I don't mind going out once in a while or attend a big party or gathering (of course, most of the time I first research what kind of party and estimate what kind of people will be there etc.)
Despite being introverted, I am quite funny, a sarcastic jokester, pun and wordplay master (as being told by most of the people I know) in three languages which I am fluent in. Was asked many times why did I not become a stand-up comedian, because they think I will be very successful.
All my life I used my humor and sarcasm as a mask which I wear in public, an act if you will, only revealing my true self to the few very close people.

Having ingested little alcohol (well, "little", considering that I am Russian and there's always blood in my alcohol) I shed my natural shyness and become very open with everyone, friendly, funny and very often end up being the life of the party. I approach people whom I don't know and introduce myself, then invite them to party with us etc. Not that drunken "Commm prty wizzusss" kind of shit, but in a coherent, polite and friendly manner. And people usually do join me.
Same with women; once I had alcohol and I'm at least buzzed, I have absolutely no problem approaching women (even solid 10's) and doing what is somewhat similar to Game. And the more I drink the better I get at it. I've been called a "dick" by women whom I banged an hour later in the car or a nearby hotel. I've woken up in bed with a woman who's first words to me were "You were such an asshole last night".
Of course, I also get rejected a lot, but at this point IDGAF and just laugh it off and move on to the next target.
This even happens in greater magnitude (?) when I am so drunk that I don't have a recollection of this the next morning and have to hear it from people I went out with.

Quite a few times, when I met a woman online and invited her over to meet tet-a-tet for the first time I would kiss them as soon as they walk into my house and meet absolutely no rejection, quite the opposite actually, and end up banging them (actually, that's how I met my fiance-to-be, but luckily dodged the bullet at the last moment).
The first date kiss also happened several times either in the middle of a first date somewhere out or at the end, also ending up in with the girl in my bed despite her initial statement of "three dates rules" or "I'm not that kind of a girl".

Problem:
My so-called pseudo-game only happens when I am under the influence of alcohol.
Except the kiss on the first date, somehow I can sense the right moment and go for it, but I assume that's because I already "softened" the girl with my humor and am not as afraid of rejection.

Question:
How can I tap into that whatever makes me "game" so I can figure out how to do this when I am completely sober and quite fearful of approach and the possible rejection?
My friends asked me how to detect that "go for the kiss" moment and for the life of me I can't explain it to them because I have no idea how!
Aside from having someone following me with a camcorder on a night out or a first date, are there any other ways to tap into whatever makes me "game" when I drink?
Lately, I've been barely touching alcohol, however, if I know that I'm going out I know that alcohol will be had otherwise "I'm gonna have a bad time". This Saturday I am going to a state fair with a girl whose number I got last weekend while being quite drunk and I really hope they at least sell beer there

Post: #2

short answer: learn Game & Frame

Long Answer: you asked if there was a way to tap into "Game" while sober ... that's the wrong way to think of it Game is not some light switch that goes on & off it's gotta be constant if you want to stay on top of your game, You've even admitted that without it you would have a "Bad Day". So i would just work on maintaining frame & gaming without the use of alcohol. I use to use alcohol as a heavy crutch so i think you should start to slowly drink less and less when you're gaming by only drinking enough to almost tap into "Game" but remain somewhat sober enough to be able to consciously know & understand what techniques you're actually using so you can record them and try to apply them while in a more sober state until you can lose the crutch of alcohol.

in the words of Marcus Aurelius- The model for the application of your principles is be the boxer rather than the gladiator. The gladiator puts down or takes up the sword he uses, the boxer always has his hands and needs only to clench them into fists.

Post: #3

(08-17-2016 08:17 PM)ManofLetters Wrote:  You've even admitted that without it you would have a "Bad Day".

I meant that without alcohol I can barely tolerate being "out" at a night public place with bars and clubs and a shitload of annoying people and usually turn into Gregory House pretty quickly.

Thank you for your advice, I can apply it during the Day Game, perhaps when most people are as annoying, but less loud and drunk

Post: #4

Easy you go for the kiss when you both lock eyes and she gives you the "you're making me wet" look, accompanied by the "im yours tonight" look then you go for it, if she pushes you away with a grin, it's a shit test, if she kisses you shame on you for not getting laid that very night.
As for you're drunk vs natural game, you have to get over you're fear of rejection. I was where you were, I got over it by gaming all kinds of chicks, trying different approaches, and doing it for fun, not giving a damn about the result, what we call outcome independence, I knew I was going to fuck the next time my drunk game was on, over time it translated to natural game.
Also an actionable step I used was go hard on you're workout, then go out the pump and the rush after lifting heavy will make you feel like all the bitches aren't on you're level.
Let's get it!

Post: #5

(08-17-2016 08:36 PM)Rushjones Wrote:  Easy you go for the kiss when you both lock eyes and she gives you the "you're making me wet" look, accompanied by the "im yours tonight" look then you go for it, if she pushes you away with a grin, it's a shit test, if she kisses you shame on you for not getting laid that very night.

Ha, that is an awesome and easy explanation, I'm going to send this to a buddy of mine who has been bugging me about it! Probably exactly how that happened I simply was too distracted to analyze and realize.

(08-17-2016 08:36 PM)Rushjones Wrote:  As for you're drunk vs natural game, you have to get over you're fear of rejection. I was where you were, I got over it by gaming all kinds of chicks, trying different approaches, and doing it for fun, not giving a damn about the result, what we call outcome independence, I knew I was going to fuck the next time my drunk game was on, over time it translated to natural game.

I get it. Practice makes perfect. Also, it would help me to get out of "catching feels" mindset. Already got burned a few times and it takes time to recover.

(08-17-2016 08:36 PM)Rushjones Wrote:  Also an actionable step I used was go hard on you're workout, then go out the pump and the rush after lifting heavy will make you feel like all the bitches aren't on you're level.
Let's get it!

I will definitely try that! I usually workout early in the morning, but I can make an exception. Usually, I don't workout the day I go out in case I get laid, don't want to be sore or tired.

Post: #6

When I'm sored or tired I usually don't give a fuck, that's why I recommend it if you have a tendency to overthink yourself.

Post: #7

(08-18-2016 01:39 PM)Rushjones Wrote:  When I'm sored or tired I usually don't give a fuck, that's why I recommend it if you have a tendency to overthink yourself.

Oh, I am the master of overthinking EVERYTHING!
But when I'm sore or tired I don't give a fuck to the point where I don't even go out. I say fuck it and get comfy on the deck with a drink and a book.

Post: #8

(08-17-2016 05:37 PM)Grenblin Wrote:  How can I tap into that whatever makes me "game" so I can figure out how to do this when I am completely sober and quite fearful of approach and the possible rejection?

Game is a skill like riding a bike or playing a piano. To use it effectively you have to learn it SOBER if you want to have control of social situations and know what to do next.

Anybody can let loose when they're tipsy/drunk but that's not even good game at all. That only makes you inhibited and takes away the anxiety. However there's much more to it that just feeling like you DGAF. That is also why you're unable to explain that "go for the kiss" moment to your friends even though it's very easy.

Yeah there is one great way to tap into game knowledge. Learn it, do it, use it, become it. No alcohol needed then. In fact, you would be much better at game being sober than you are right now being drunk. I'm guessing are quite sloppy and make fuckload of mistakes along the way without even knowing it when you're under the influence.

I'm not saying booze is bad for game. It's fine to let loose a but. However if you want to get better at actual GAME then drink just a little when you game so that you have full control of what you see, what you do, what your intuition tells you, etc so that the next day you can easily break down what you saw then, what you did, what was the result on that in a way that you can reflect on it, draw conclusions what you did right and wrong, what you could have done differently next time.

That's game.

How to tap into it? You can't. You don't tap into real game. You can just tap into that drunk state where you just fool around and some girls around simply happened to like that cause they needed it. That's what happened. Your game is not that good in that state as you might think it is. It's just better than when you're fully sober because booze makes you inhibited, loose, carefree, fun. That's all that you tapped into. But you can't magically TAP INTO game because game is a process. Like climbing. It's messy and turbulent at times with lots of obstacles to overcome. It tests you courage, stamina, decisiveness, intuition, resourcefulness, patience and your whole character in general. Especially when you fight against all odds. Clear and sharp mind is a must then.

Post: #9

Thank you for the detailed reply!

Post: #10