Post: #26

(09-30-2016 03:44 PM)Latan Wrote:  I'm so proud to be french right now...

Vive La Lunch!

Post: #27

Well I do believe that the animals we eat deserve to be the treated humanely up until their final seconds of life, but this vegan vegetarian shit is wack and unnatural. Makes your body all soft.

Post: #28

Classy thread title.

Post: #29

(09-30-2016 08:11 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  https://draxe.com/protein-deficiency/

Quote:Do You Have a Protein Deficiency?

Mayo clinic researcher Jan van Deursen, Ph.D., set out to study the cause of cancer, but soon his research took him in a different direction — what impacts aging? His research revealed that certain proteins play an important, even critical, role in aging.

In his investigation, van Deursen and his team created genetically modified mice that had a protein deficiency in one specific type of protein, BubR1. They discovered that the mice deficient in this vital protein aged four to five times faster than the control group of normal mice.

This naturally occurring protein declines as we age and, in this study, were found to be at deficient levels in the mice’s muscles, heart, brain, spleen, testis and ovaries. The study theorizes that this holds true in the human body, too, with a protein deficiency leading to cataracts, heart problems, kyphosis or muscle atrophy — all somewhat common in the elderly.

Eating too little protein can result in these symptoms as well:

A sluggish metabolism
Trouble losing weight
Trouble building muscle mass
Low energy levels and fatigue
Poor concentration and trouble learning
Moodiness and mood swings
Muscle, bone and joint pain
Blood sugar changes that can lead to diabetes
Slow wound healing
Low immunity

Nuff said.

B-b-B-but vegans get all the protein they need from beans and tofu! Conor McGregor!

Post: #30

(09-30-2016 07:32 PM)Oz. Wrote:  I have a question, is veganism mainly a western/european thing?

I had never heard about it until I came to this country, as a matter of fact I am positive there are zero vegans in the entirety of Cuba. Theres like one vegetarian per city and everyone just laughs at them, we already dying of hunger over there why limit your food

Yes, outside of India, it is a western thing, and more precisely, an Anglosphere/northern european thing. Not many vegans in say France or Spain, civilized countries with great culinary heritages. In places like Cuba, Egypt or Nigeria most people have practically vegetarian diets because they can't afford meat.

Post: #31

(09-30-2016 11:08 PM)911 Wrote:  

(09-30-2016 07:32 PM)Oz. Wrote:  I have a question, is veganism mainly a western/european thing?

I had never heard about it until I came to this country, as a matter of fact I am positive there are zero vegans in the entirety of Cuba. Theres like one vegetarian per city and everyone just laughs at them, we already dying of hunger over there why limit your food

Yes, outside of India, it is a western thing, and more precisely, an Anglosphere/northern european thing. Not many vegans in say France or Spain, civilized countries with great culinary heritage. In places like Cuba, Egypt or Nigeria most people have practically vegetarian diets because they can't afford meat.

India doesn't follow the pure vegan diet as the fools in the US and Europe do. From personal experiences, there is a use of fish, dairy, and eggs in lot of cooking in standard India dishes. Vegans diet is product of signal virtue, and society with abundant food sources and medicine. People have the assume that eating no animal products makes them healthy, when reality they had crappy diet to begin with. The vegan diet is dangerous to idiots, as the person does not get enough B12 that can cause anemia and neurological degeneration in the long run.

Plus working in Indian restaurant, its bitch to make a dish vegan.

Post: #32

I would easily pay 50 euros to see a vegan chick take a brand of a symbol of my choice.



Is that beta?

Post: #33

I love how vegans think they're so healthy when they eat shit like this on the regular:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/amp/Mom-blows...820584.php

Basically high end corn chips. But it's vegan so it's healthy! I bet that fat isn't good fat either.

Post: #34

Fucking idiots, really.

My chickens are about the happiest creatures you'll find on God's green earth. And every day I get to eat nicely poached eggs no more than a day or two old since laid.

They range genuinely free. There is literally nothing stopping them from wandering off if they wanted to. If I could speak chickenese and I asked them if they wanted to change our arrangement they would reply a hearty "fuck no".

One of the more contentious threads of late was a vegetarian (or vegan?) whingefest. It took the typical tack of several vegans demanding meat eaters convince them of why eating meat was reasonable or indeed in some cases acceptable. This is the kind of behaviour and mentality which sees people like me oppose them on political grounds first and on dietary grounds second. Because they so often display the kind of attitude reserved to the useful idiots of totalitarianism, or in other words "unless you convince me (impossible) then your opinion is invalid and as such has no place in the enlightened society your betters shall build".

You will almost certainly find that vegans are also deep in any camp that finds human freedom unpalatable and strives to regulate every aspect of out lives in minute detail, so their arguments about what's better for us fall on deaf ears in my case because AFAIC they are the enemy through and through.

Post: #35

(09-30-2016 07:32 PM)Oz. Wrote:  I have a question, is veganism mainly a western/european thing?

I had never heard about it until I came to this country, as a matter of fact I am positive there are zero vegans in the entirety of Cuba. Theres like one vegetarian per city and everyone just laughs at them, we already dying of hunger over there why limit your food

Castro rounds up all the vegans and throws them in jail. That Guantanamo thing, not terrorists, its vegans.

That is a joke, but I bet if you ask a vegan if that is true, they will say it sounds reasonable.

Being a vegan is another way to attention whore, that is all.

There is no point to being a vegan in Cuba because you can't Instagram your tasty vegan dishes.

Aloha!

Post: #36

(09-29-2016 10:55 PM)Oz. Wrote:  

Edit:
This bullshit goes on in the center of Paris but nobody talked about it meanwhile everybody talk about this guy, 3 days ago, smashing an apple store with a "boule de pétanque"

Post: #37

Yeah, that's just attention whoring, but to be fair they do uncover some serious issues from time to time:

Quote:French animal welfare group L214 has released a new undercover video exposing cruel practices in a French slaughterhouse.

Four months ago, the same group released a gruesome video secretly shot in a slaughterhouse in Alès, a town in the south of France. The shocking video prompted authorities to shutter the slaughterhouse for two months.

The slaughterhouse filmed in the group's latest shaming video is a certified organic slaughterhouse in the southern French town of Vigan.

Speaking to VICE News Tuesday, a spokesman for the Vigan mayor's office explained that the mayor had called for "disciplinary sanctions." The spokesperson also confirmed that the slaughterhouse was closed Tuesday morning, "pending a decision by the local authorities" that manage the building.

VICE News was unable to get hold of anyone at the slaughterhouse on Tuesday morning. Speaking to French daily Le Monde Monday, the director of the slaughterhouse admitted that the video appeared to show instances of professional misconduct. Management, he added, would respond to any proven misconduct.

In a statement released Tuesday, France's Minister of Agriculture Stéphane Le Foll said that an immediate investigation had been launched into the claims of animal abuse. The investigation, he said, would aim to "put an end to these unacceptable practices, to shed light on the accusations, and determine where lies the responsibility."

The animal rights' group noted that the damning images were shot between June 2015 and February 2016.

According to Ecocert, the agency in charge of organic certification in France, animals "must undergo minimal suffering during slaughter" in order for a slaughterhouse to be certified organic.

According to the town website, "all of the [slaughterhouse] staff received training and animal welfare certification in February 2014.

And yet, during the four-minute video, employees can be seen mistreating the animals and, in some cases, sadistically taunting them.

At the start of the video, one employee can be seen throwing a sheep up against a metal barrier. Other sequences show animals not being stunned properly, but still being slaughtered while conscious. A worker cuts their throats as they hang by one leg from a chain attached to the ceiling, and flail violently as their blood spills out onto the floor.

In a report penned for L214, Professor Gilbert Mouthon — a French vet who also acts as a court expert — noted that, "Animals that have not been successfully stunned are not stunned a second time, as is required by the regulations."

Later in the video, an employee is seen stunning a pig for several seconds, until smoke comes out of the swine's head. A voiceover notes that, when carried out properly, stunning should make an animal "immediately unconscious."

Another employee, whose face is blurred, administers brief electric shocks to a sheep for fun, all the while laughing maniacally.


One of the last sequences of the video shows cattle being stunned with a captive bolt pistol, which is a stun gun that uses compressed air or an explosive charge to propel a steel bolt into the animal's skull, thus knocking them out. The instrument, however, is not adapted to horned animals, and as a result, the cattle are not properly stunned and are conscious when they are bled.

"The time that elapses between the stunning and the bleeding can be up to 40 seconds. The animals are never bled within 8 seconds of being stunned," noted Mouthon in his report.

Result:

Quote:All France’s abattoirs are to be inspected “within the month” following revelations of animal cruelty at a slaughterhouse whose organic meat is dispatched to France’s top-starred restaurants, the government announced on Tuesday.

Stéphane Le Foll, the French agriculture minister, hastily issued a statement announcing the nationwide inspections after Le Monde, France’s most respected daily newspaper, released hidden camera images of some animals being hung and bled or even cut up while still alive at the abattoir in the Basque country, in the South West.

The unbearable images of Easter lambs less than 45 days old fighting for their lives after "waking up" from supposedly lethal shocks, and others having limbs hacked off or even quartered while still conscious took place not in some huge, industrial abattoir but a "human-sized" site that slaughters local produce – either organic or bearing the respected "red label", meaning the animals are not battery-reared.

The abattoir intercommunal de Soule, in the village of Mauléon-Licharre provides meat to the restaurants of the multi-Michelin starred Alain Ducasse, possibly the world's best-known chef, along with celebrity beef butcher Yves-Marie Le Bourdonnec.

The shocking images were filmed secretly in March by animal welfare group L214, which said it was filing a legal complaint on Tuesday to the Pau prosecutor for “mistreatment, serious abuse and acts of cruelty” towards animals and launched a petition called “proper transparency in abattoirs”.

Mr Le Foll, said the nationwide inspections would be specifically concern “animal protection throughout the country”. He promised to order the “suspension without delay” of the operating permits of any establishments at fault.

This is the third time in recent months that L214 has unmasked animal mistreatment in French abattoirs or farms.

Last month, it released equally shocking images of an “organic” abattoir in Vigan, in the southern Gard area, briefly shut but now reopened, after releasing another film in Alès, also in the Gard, in October.

Brigitte Bardot, the film star-turned animal rights campaigner, blasted the Socialist government and Mr Foll in particular as “the minister of abject abattoirs”.

“You should be ashamed of your inaction faced with scandals that we are denouncing and against which you do nothing,” she wrote last month.

The Soule abattoir slaughters and prepares 3,000 tons of meat per year, some 40 per cent of the livestock coming from local farmers. It has an Ecocert label meaning much of the meat comes from organic farming.

Gérard Clémente, who has run the abattoir for 40 years and is two months shy of retirement, said he was “shattered, appalled” after seeing the film.

“I am very often in my abattoir and I have tried to improve conditions for many years, and here when one’s back is turned, employees hit animals. We’re screwed,” he told Le Monde.

Mr Clémente said he would have to temporarily lay off the site’s 32 workers and blamed the pressures of intense demand for meat around Easter.

“We have to kill 15,000 lambs in two weeks for Easter. If we worked more calmly they wouldn’t commit such acts,” he said.

Under pressure over the shock revelations, the French government launched a parliamentary commission of inquiry last week whose conclusions will be released in six months.

Olivier Falorni, a centre-Left MP presiding the inquiry remarked: “As Ghandi said: ‘The greatness of a nation ... can be judged by the way its animals are treated.’”

From another article on the issue:

Quote:Speaking to VICE News Thursday, local DDPP head of department Olivier Lemarignier said he and a colleague had toured the facility on September 4, as part of its required annual inspection. Lemarignier explained that, during the visit, the DDPP had reviewed the slaughterhouse logs and inspected both the facility and the equipment.

"We spent several hours observing workers at their stations, and did not witness anything resembling these practices. The footage was shot with a hidden camera," he said. "When I see cattle being bled improperly during ritual slaughter, who come out of the trapdoor having regained consciousness, it's unbearable, it's shocking for me and everyone else on the team," Lemarignier added.

The inspector explained that the DDPP had issued every slaughterhouse employee with an animal welfare "certificate of competency" following two days of training in 2013 and 2014.

Wait, what? There is no way one reason for those animals having to suffer and being treated in such a cruel way is a certain growing group in France which only eats meat from animals killed by bleeding them out, no?

Quote:Paris (AFP) - French lawmakers on Tuesday proposed mandatory surveillance cameras for abattoirs to combat cruelty against livestock after an animal rights group published shocking slaughterhouse videos.

The proposal is the "result of a rude shock, to me and to millions of French people who saw the videos of the L214 association," said Olivier Falorni, who headed a six-month parliamentary inquiry into the scandal.

Footage of sheep being bled while still showing signs of consciousness and a lamb being butchered alive shed light on the "omerta", or code of silence, "that prevailed in the abattoirs", Falorni said.

The lawmakers who worked on the cross-party inquiry are proposing that surveillance cameras be required by law in "all areas of abattoirs where live animals are handled", with funding provided for the devices at small plants.

They said the law should be carefully crafted to prevent the cameras from being used by employers to spy on their staff.

The lawmakers are also calling for stepped-up training of staff and the hiring of veterinary experts to oversee slaughtering procedures at all abattoirs of 50 employees or more.

A "national abattoir ethics committee" would be set up under the plan.

The MPs proposed that guidelines be amended to encourage electric stunning before ritual slaughter.

But it would not be made mandatory, as a law to that effect "would be contested" in court, according to the committee's rapporteur, Jean-Yves Caullet.

Muslim halal and Jewish shechita rules require an animal to be conscious when its throat is cut.

France's Grand Rabbi Haim Korsia, in a statement to AFP, "hailed the lawmakers' wish to guarantee the animal's well-being... along with the preservation of ritual slaughter."

He said the MPs had struck a balance between the needs for "secularism and the free exercise of faith."

The L214 animal rights group for its part launched a petition on Tuesday to ban slaughter without prior stunning.

It said it would take an abattoir to court for "infractions" committed during the ritual slaughter of sheep for the just-ended Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha.

The foundation of actress and animal rights activist Brigitte Bardot said the proposal did not go far enough, saying it was "imperative" to require animals to be stunned before their throats are slit.

The L214 campaign prompted the agriculture ministry to order nationwide inspections of abattoirs in March.

The videos are out there on the internet and easy to find if you can stomach watching them.

Those animal rights activists might be on the crazy end of the spectrum, but even as unhinged as they are, sometimes they have a point. Think about that crazy kid from your childhood days who maltreated, tortured and killed animals. Is it really so inconceivable that quite a few of those psychopaths end up working in slaughterhouses where they can live out their fantasies unpunished? Combine that with the ridiculous demands of some stone age religions, and yeah, the activist lunatics gain some credibility.

Post: #38

There's absolutely nothing "humane" and halal killing practices.

Post: #39

thebeast1 Wrote:There's absolutely nothing "humane" and halal killing practices.

I should know!
MY first time slaying a goat I accidentally did it halal style.
I was supposed to pierce his neck right below the throat but as it was my first time and I got jittery I pierced the throat instead.
The thing still bled to death but it did give a death wail the others didn't, the butcher veteran that was supervising us then laughed and said I didn't look like they halal type.

Post: #40

I love that scream when that chick is branded. It is clearly a "I had no idea this shit would be this fucking painful" scream.
Stupid bitches.
Put a brand and a septum ring on one of these fat ho's and they are a cow.
Just one I wouldn't eat.

Post: #41

(10-01-2016 04:34 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  There's absolutely nothing "humane" and halal killing practices.

Should say "about" halal killing practices. Glad you guys know what I mean

Post: #42

"Solidarity" is one of those words that tells you can safely ignore whatever comes next.

Post: #43

I put a rack of pork ribs in my smoker just now. I will smoke them with mesquite for about 2 hours. I will grill them on high heat to crispify all the fat and bone ends, to get the meat to pull back. Finally I will put them in a slow cooker with aujus, rosemary, smashed garlic, and onions for about 2 or 4 hrs.
For a side dish I will partially boil red potatoes from my garden, smash each one flat, pan fry on high, then cover to steam with basil, parsley, and sliced garlic.
I will use the juice from the slow cooker to make a gravy (fried flour, milk) for the potatoes.
I made some jalapeno jelly, I think that will be a good garnish for the ribs.