Post: #1

This happened with me recently. A happy go lucky, charming, feminine and somewhat redpill girl I was seeing went into depression for a year. She was lonely and I was not available. I had started living in another city and didn't bother much with long distance. I had other side options. I tried to be caring and understanding but I was not fully committed.She wanted more.

During the depression phase the girl started changing and by the end of the year she became a pro feminist. She became cynical and lost all her charm. She also started being or at least pretending to be very assertive and self independent.

Since I couldn't care less what a girl's ideology is as long as she's providing the bang , I would have next her. But it's the transformation that bothers me. She was completely opposite before her depression and had a lot of good qualities that we in the manosphere want in women. She was few of the good ones : mid 20s, had only 1 prev bf, always smiling, extra supportive, appreciated feminine ideology, respected masculinity, good looking, decent body and deeply into me. So naturally I felt a sense of pity, care and attachment.

I am now back in the same city as her and still in touch with her as we have lots of common friends. Every time I see her, it gets on my nerve. I know women change but this was one of drastic proportions. I do care for who she was before. Its a sad case of seeing her eventually going to destroy her life and those of future men she meets with. She has even convinced her dumb ass parents on her ideologies (They began to support Hillary because of her).She is even influencing her younger sister to following suit. Only positive thing is that she hasn't yet hit the slut highway but expect that also to happen if nothing is done. Once she goes through the cock brigade then I expect her to be irredeemable.

So here I wanted the more experienced forum members' advice.
Is it always a lost cause to normalize or bring back the mindset of a once very feminine turned feminist female?
Do strong alpha men just don't give a fuck and dont bother or do they through their actions get even the most feminist women back to their previous senses? Has anyone of you ever gone through similar scenario and actually succeeded? If so, how?

Post: #2

Don't try to *change* anyone, especially a chick.

Broads gon be what broads gon be.

Your efforts at change are better invested in yourself, and if any is left, for your companeros.

Leave her salvation for her church group or whatever. The bullshit programming she's received have gone deeper than what you could hope to uproot anytime soon.

If she wants to *be with you*, she knows what to be to please you and make your life better.

Save your energies for yourself cos you'll need a shit ton of it.

Post: #3

So explain to me.

If she was everything non-feminist a man could desire, how is it she wasn't capable of finding a suitable protector and provider, and submitting herself to his leadership?

Walk into a church FFS. Find a guy with average looks and a 100k job. Marry him. Pop out some kids and take care of the house.

It's not rocket surgery.

Post: #4

Since I couldn't care less what a girl's ideology is as long as she's providing the bang , I would have next her

Why are you nexting her? Is your goal to bang this girl? If not, why are you wasting your time trying to change this girl?

She is going to be fine, you don't have to be her hero. You haven't alluded to what her sexual habits have been since she has changed. If she's just a Hillary supporter and not riding the cock carousel and not sabotaging her own SMV, she's probably gonna end up with a family and kids at some point.

There's a broad spectrum between "I think men and women should be equal" and "BURN THE PATRIARCHY" feminism. If she's the former, she's gonna be fine like I said. If she's the latter, she's too far gone to be saved anyway

Post: #5

'If she wants to *be with you*, she knows what to be to please you and make your life better.'

She did want to be with me.She was deeply in love with me, trying to please me and even supported my endeavors . She was desperate though that she wanted me to join her or she wanted to come to where I was working. I refused as I had my own stuff to do.

'If she was everything non-feminist a man could desire, how is it she wasn't capable of finding a suitable protector and provider, and submitting herself to his leadership?'

Because she was head over heels into me thinking I would be that person for her.

'Why are you nexting her? Is your goal to bang this girl? If not, why are you wasting your time trying to change this girl?'

I am not going to next her. Not yet. I want the bang. She was great in bed with me. That is another reason why I would like her to become normal first like how she was before. She's not that feminist yet that she has become men hating. But she has become feminist in the sense she supports liberal agendas strongly and reads books based on women rights, women abuse and books written by female politicians such as Elizabeth Warren (puke).

There must be some sort of advanced game that can be used here to change her mindset.Experienced players must have done this many a time. It is not as if Men cannot, through their actions influence and convince others including women.

Post: #6

(01-08-2017 03:50 AM)DaFonz Wrote:  'If she wants to *be with you*, she knows what to be to please you and make your life better.'

She did want to be with me.She was deeply in love with me, trying to please me and even supported my endeavors . She was desperate though that she wanted me to join her or she wanted to come to where I was working. I refused as I had my own stuff to do.

'If she was everything non-feminist a man could desire, how is it she wasn't capable of finding a suitable protector and provider, and submitting herself to his leadership?'

Because she was head over heels into me thinking I would be that person for her.

'Why are you nexting her? Is your goal to bang this girl? If not, why are you wasting your time trying to change this girl?'

I am not going to next her. Not yet. I want the bang. She was great in bed with me. That is another reason why I would like her to become normal first like how she was before. She's not that feminist yet that she has become men hating. But she has become feminist in the sense she supports liberal agendas strongly and reads books based on women rights, women abuse and books written by female politicians such as Elizabeth Warren (puke).

There must be some sort of advanced game that can be used here to change her mindset.Experienced players must have done this many a time. It is not as if Men cannot, through their actions influence and convince others including women.

This is a PUA forum so I'm not going to shame you for banging a doe eyed bitch who's pining for a wedding ring that's never going to arrive

But then you complain that she's being driven to feminist ideology after you've basically wasted her time/looks/pussy/smv stringing her along?

Mate, that's the punch line to a crappy joke. You can't fix this problem because your actions ARE the problem. No sin-shaming here, but get your head out of the clouds. You can't have it both ways.

Post: #7

You're justifying this chick's creeping degeneracy.

Take Leonard's advice mano. Ditch this chick and find another. Otherwise you'll be subjected to feminist tripe for the rest of your life.

Many fishes in the ocean- 4 damn billion of them and you're here pining for *one*?????

Never justify a broad. Never take excuses for her crap. Or you'll be that guy wearing the sign 'we're all feminists' in no time.

Paz.

Post: #8

If you just want to bang her, work out, work on improving your "inner game", same as any other broad, as has been repeated a thousand times on the forum before.

Lotta feminists say a lot of stuff, but are secretly on the team. You're worried that she's going to become a serious man-hater, but most of the more attractive ones (as you say this one is) don't end up that way.

What it's probably better to hear is: "I hate men...who have whack game"

Quote:There must be some sort of advanced game that can be used here to change her mindset. Experienced players must have done this many a time.

It's not even advanced stuff? If you read some of the posts by WIA and apply some of that then I'll show you a feminist who will love you forever.

Sounds like you might have a woman on your hands who could be brought around. But my guess is that you'll end up trying to debate this stuff with her logically, and she is going to put you in the "Whack Pack", as surely as night follows day. What a shame.

Quote:It is not as if Men cannot, through their actions influence and convince others including women.

Her mindset is "woman mindset", regardless of what political philosophies she espouses. And that can't be changed. So don't worry about it.

Post: #9

The PUA wanting to deprogram a chick from feminist ideology is the male analogue to the chick wanting to "change" her bad boy.

It's the stuff of fantasy.

Post: #10

No matter how much you try to prove to her that you're a NAMALT, during the breakup she'll find some way to label you as just another chauvanistic pig. I know from personal experience.

That being said, I am not as virulently anti-feminist as most red-pillers. I think that Emma Watson's brand of feminism that sells itself on being compassionate towards men is alright. That might cause me to be burned at the stake here, I guess. It's really the Big Red SJW feminism that is a red flag, women who just can't go five minutes without expressing outrage over some Gamergate style controversy. Constructing tempests in a teapot over some perceived sexist scandal is usually just women avoiding dealing with their own self-esteem issues.

The woman I was with who threw me under the bus was a Big Red type, but channeled into a SJW keyboard jockey on social networks. For all her self-riteousness she dumped me in order to perpetuate a marital affair with an older man. Daddy issues galore.

Post: #11

(01-08-2017 03:00 PM)questor70 Wrote:  It's really the Big Red SJW feminism that is a red flag, women who just can't go five minutes without expressing outrage over some Gamergate style controversy. Constructing tempests in a teapot over some perceived sexist scandal is usually just women avoiding dealing with their own self-esteem issues.

It's been said SJW feminism is a trade union for ugly women. Beyond that, IMO it's a trade union for BPD histrionics.

They should be in therapy, not on Twitter. I don't see how one can pretend to be an effective "activist" for any cause, when it so transparently stems out of such deep internal misery.

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That was an unpleasant experience. Thread needs eye-bleach now.

Post: #12

Quote:I am not going to next her. Not yet. I want the bang. She was great in bed with me. That is another reason why I would like her to become normal first like how she was before. She's not that feminist yet that she has become men hating. But she has become feminist in the sense she supports liberal agendas strongly and reads books based on women rights, women abuse and books written by female politicians such as Elizabeth Warren (puke).

I will have to be a white knight for this one, I am afraid.



OP, you must understand that women are nowadays bombarded with 24/7 propaganda that encourages them to behave the way they do (grrrl powah, fish-bicycle...). Unfortunately, most of them buy it.



Your woman is no different than millions of others in that regard.



If she is younger than 25 (brain stops developing around that age), and if you have Game, you can ''deprogram'' her. I am telling you from personal experience. As Younggun said, there's a broad spectrum between "I think men and women should be equal" and "BURN THE PATRIARCHY!!111''.



If you ask me, ''deprogramming'' if she is younger than 25, and giving her a chance (only one!) is what I would do. Now, if she is older than 25, or/and "BURN THE PATRIARCHY!!111'' type, I would next her with extreme prejudice. I would not even bother banging her, because feminists have an annoying tendency to accuse people of rape. Be warned (second hand experience!!), BECAUSE THAT CAN RUIN YOUR LIFE!!

Post: #13

She's looking for something to believe in. If you're not ready to provide that, then just move on.

Post: #14

It sounds like her depression had something to do with men, and she started hating men because of it. I went through that. Didn't get laid at all during highschool or college, or several years after, and it made me hate women. Maybe this chick felt rejected by you (or by men in general), so she started hating men, and found a political ideology that nurtures her hatred. That's my guess.

Good news: If you show her some love, it might help. When I finally started getting laid, I stopped hating women. Now I love 'em. Maybe the same could happen with her.