Post: #1

Just curious for the pros out there - what is your approach to number ratio?

Obviously this data will be skewed...like there are those of you who pick up on IOIs easily, and others who "shotgun", but just curious what is a respectable ratio?

Post: #2

"Two Months In The Life Of The G Manifesto: Approach-Number-Conversion Rates"

Post: #3

I don't consider myself a "pro", but I have some experience under my belt.

I usually day game, so keep that in mind, but on a good day I'm probably around 80-100%, and on a bad day probably as low as 20%.

That being said, numbers don't mean shit, which is something you learn when you begin to do enough approaches. I think a pretty good player averages 1 lay from every 20 or so truly "cold" approaches.

There is A LOT that goes on from getting the number to actually having sex though, so keep that in mind.

Post: #4

Here in Korea I'm running like 80%+ because I can just ramble a bit and hand a girl my phone with the keypad open and its never once failed me (any non-number closes were because I didn't go for it for whatever reason). Numbers into dates/sex is way more relevant though. Nobody's ever fucked a phone number.

Post: #5

I think what the more important question for you is: what an amateurs approach to number ratio is. Go find out and report back here.

Post: #6

Depends what country. In Japan it would be around 100% simply because the contact means absolutely nothing. In Australia it was around 40% for a similar reason (although I'm far from a spam approacher). If you can sustain a conversation there's a high chance she'll give you her number (or a fake one) just to politely avoid breaking the rapport. Its worth noting that in general, the number means nothing. Don't even give it any significance.

A more meaningful figure would be approach to date ratio, followed by date to sex ratio (approach to sex you can count as an 'immediate and successful date' so it tallies both). I don't use either though, I generally think in terms of evenings or hours of work. Either that evening, which you could've spent at home watching interesting YouTube videos, ultimately results in a lay or it doesn't. Either those 4 hours you spent trolling through online dating and messaging results in a date or it doesn't.

Post: #7

You should not know how many approaches you did in the first place. If you do then it means you have some specific definition what approach is and what it isn't. That will only cripple you.

Post: #8

(01-25-2017 09:30 AM)lapalco Wrote:  I think what the more important question for you is: what an amateurs approach to number ratio is. Go find out and report back here.

Might be relevant, but the guys on the goodlookingloser forum don't really believe in 'game' (they say it's all about looks) and so I guess one could define them as 'amateurs'.

From reading a number of journals on there, i'd say they average about 1 lay in 50 or so approaches

Them 50 approaches lead to maybe 8 numbers, which lead to 1 lay

Post: #9

Quote:Might be relevant, but the guys on the goodlookingloser forum don't really believe in 'game' (they say it's all about looks) and so I guess one could define them as 'amateurs'.

From reading a number of journals on there, i'd say they average about 1 lay in 50 or so approaches

Them 50 approaches lead to maybe 8 numbers, which lead to 1 lay

All about looks? Have never seen an ugly dude with a hot chick or vice versa?

Post: #10

(01-26-2017 08:43 AM)lapalco Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 04:49 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

Quote:Might be relevant, but the guys on the goodlookingloser forum don't really believe in 'game' (they say it's all about looks) and so I guess one could define them as 'amateurs'.

From reading a number of journals on there, i'd say they average about 1 lay in 50 or so approaches

Them 50 approaches lead to maybe 8 numbers, which lead to 1 lay

All about looks? Have never seen an ugly dude with a hot chick or vice versa?

I didn't say that that was my opinion. I was talking about the goodlookingloser forum readership.

The poster asked for stats from people who were 'amateurs' and I thought that people who don't believe in game yet still approach girls would be a rather good example to get a ball park figure based on the results i've seen in a number of their journals.

Post: #11

If you simply use 'apocalypse opener' you would bang one 1/15-20 girls as opposed to 1/50 by number/date/bang approach

Post: #12

(01-26-2017 10:17 AM)Virtus Wrote:  If you simply use 'apocalypse opener' you would bang one 1/15-20 girls as opposed to 1/50 by number/date/bang approach

Maybe if you were an international male model. Maybe.

Post: #13

(01-25-2017 04:49 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  Them 50 approaches lead to maybe 8 numbers, which lead to 1 lay

For an average dude (average looks, height, etc.) but with tweaked up what he can tweak up (physique, grooming, style, body language, voice, confidence, etc.), banging 1 attractive, young girl (18-23yo) out of 50 approaches is actually quite good. What it amounts to is, roughly, 3 approaches for two weeks a month. And once you keep rolling, and possibly build a rotation of 2-4 chicks, things start to get easier as you ooze confidence. How many guys bang a new, attractive, young girl each month?

Post: #14

Not even sure it's worth dragging tinder into this conversation if it's supposed to be about 'game' and cold approach.
Tinder is simply looks based. People get laid non-stop from tinder without having game but simply being very good looking.