Post: #1

I still go out a lot.
Last months i admitted one strange tendency. I got action in clubs,no less than before. Last week i was out three nights. I kissed three quite hot girls. I get two numbers. Ages, i approach, varies a lot-from 18 to 35 y.o.,but mostly 25-30.
But,despite of that action, during last several months, ONS dropped dramatically. I even had some girls in my apartment, who where sleeping with me,but no sex. No blowjobs or hand jobs.
Excuses are typical- "I don't do that,with people i just met", "I have a boyfriend", "I don't want to go further" and so.

Maybe it is a tinder. Maybe it is some strange period in whole society-some battle is going on and women are waiting-who will win this battle.
Maybe it is a new level of attention whoring.

So the question is-do you guys noticed something similar happening in last months?

Or it is just me,and i am on some strange, partial dry spell ...

Post: #2

Not experiencing what you are but I am noticing a large increase in flaking the past year.

Usually with a kiss close there is a high probability of a response, likewise with a SNL.

These days I am hearing crickets a lot, its quite frustrating all told

Post: #3

Clubs are obsolete. Women do not need to go to clubs any longer to meet an attractive guy and fuck. They can use Tinder. The purpose of them going to clubs are to socialize and/or attention whore it up to "get low".

Soon Tinder will be obsolete also. They'll create some sort of app that uses an intranet inside a restaurant/cafe/bar where you can immediately text whoever you want within that cafe. Trust me, this will happen.

You have to adapt. Direct daygame will always work unless you do some silly ass indirect spamming faggot shit. Then you're just the entertainment on the street like the dancing monkey in the club who had too many beers.

Adapt. Learn to tell a woman you want to fuck her by just using eye contact. Then learn the "let's get out of here" head nod. It'll work if you're attractive and don't look like a pedofile/rapist. There's no need for games in pickup like people think.

So to answer your question. Yes, I've noticed this, but it's been changing slowly for several years, not just a few months.

Post: #4

I've never gotten a lay from NYC nightgame, and posts like this, along with Roosh's recent podcast on nightgame, make me think it's a waste of time trying to heavily invest in getting "good" at nightgame.

And re: crickets, I recently got cricketed by the first chick I tried tuthmosis' zero date bang on. Mine you I didn't get the bang (1st base) and I have a small sample size to make an informed statement on.

Post: #5

(02-05-2017 12:29 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Clubs are obsolete. Women do not need to go to clubs any longer to meet an attractive guy and fuck. They can use Tinder. The purpose of them going to clubs are to socialize and/or attention whore it up to "get low".

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Direct daygame will always work unless you do some silly ass indirect spamming faggot shit. Then you're just the entertainment on the street like the dancing monkey in the club who had too many beers.

Learn to tell a woman you want to fuck her by just using eye contact. Then learn the "let's get out of here" head nod. It'll work if you're attractive and don't look like a pedofile/rapist. There's no need for games in pickup like people think.

I'm going to have to disagree with night game being dead. I use it religiously and I feel like its still alive for the exact reasons you put.

Men are total bitches these days and most guys will not approach and talk up a girl at bars/clubs. Of course women can validate themselves though their phones but real life takes the cake everytime. Most men are out there doing "spammy faggot shit" or just afraid to approach which keeps the door open for a man with game to chat her up and give her vagina tingles.

Then its business as usual. Win the eye contact and the non-verbal communication and you're golden--something men aren't doing either. When I was getting laid in the beginning even I wasn't doing this but now its like my game is on another level.

In my experience the door is wide open still because people think its closed and most of the guys walking through the door can handle the heat in the kitchen.

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Op how is your non-verbal communication--Body language, eye Contact, touch, expressiveness, "what do I do with my hands", etc? How much are the two of you drinking? Are you getting her out of the bar/club soon enough while the sexual tension is high?

Also unless she is a friend or a friend of a friend who is in trouble (wasted, about to get in trouble with the law, etc) there is no reason for you to let a girl get that close to your bed to stay the night (are they?)

Post: #6

My best ONS were always from club game or bar game because it is all about escalation, physical attraction, and seduction. Tinder feels more robotic in comparison. The sex and interactions always felt more natural in clubs. It's the perfect environment for two persons who find themselves attractive to create sexual tension and two people that are having fun and a good time and want to escalate that when meeting.

That said, clubs and night game can be expensive so I can see why it's less popular with young people. I only recently got to appreciate it. Also, socially akward people will never do good there, most guys have some kind of social akwardness. Finally, it takes time to be good at night game and most people have tiresome jobs, it gets harder with age (although with age people and girls are more honest about their intentions are seal the deal quicker).

Clubs are perfect places to project your status and good vibes and build on that. You feel way more satisfaction from clubs and bar game than tindering.
You are supposed to have fun with friends and socialize in clubs and bars, party basically. Girls will be naturally attracted to a guy having fun with good looks.

Post: #7

(02-05-2017 12:38 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  I've never gotten a lay from NYC nightgame, and posts like this, along with Roosh's recent podcast on nightgame, make me think it's a waste of time trying to heavily invest in getting "good" at nightgame.

I'm also in NYC. The only guys I've known that got consistent action from night game were the very good looking types. The competition in the trendier neighborhoods (Meatpacking/SoHo/etc.) is stiff; game alone simply does not cut it. Lots of good looking, aggressive dudes, exclusive social circles etc etc. My women friends have often remarked that they are spoiled for choice at these types of venues. Throw in the fact that so many of these guys already come from wealth, and it's not hard to see why it's tough out there if you don't have the same things goin for you.

I get numbers, dates, and 1st/2nd date bangs from nightgame, but I haven't had an ONS from nightgame here yet.

Post: #8

(02-05-2017 01:56 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 12:38 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  I've never gotten a lay from NYC nightgame, and posts like this, along with Roosh's recent podcast on nightgame, make me think it's a waste of time trying to heavily invest in getting "good" at nightgame.

I'm also in NYC. The only guys I've known that got consistent action from night game were the very good looking types. The competition in the trendier neighborhoods (Meatpacking/SoHo/etc.) is stiff; game alone simply does not cut it. Lots of good looking, aggressive dudes, exclusive social circles etc etc. My women friends have often remarked that they are spoiled for choice at these types of venues. Throw in the fact that so many of these guys already come from wealth, and it's not hard to see why it's tough out there if you don't have the same things goin for you.

I get numbers, dates, and 1st/2nd date bangs from nightgame, but I haven't had an ONS from nightgame here yet.

There seems to be a huge variety of opinions on NYC here. Guys on the forum have been saying its the best city in the states for men for years. Superior ratios, walkability, late last call, foreign women from all over the world and the sex and the city hookup culture.

Its supposed to be game on easy mode if you are based in Manhattan right? But lately I'm seeing reports from NY based members that "women are spoiled for choice", which is it? Do you have to be wealthy for NYC to be good? And if NYC is now hard for players I can't imagine it being easier anywhere else in North America.

Post: #9

I feel like a lot of external reasons for not getting ONS are being posted.
What about the internal reasons?

I refuse to believe that theres not something about yourself you can improve to fix this problem. Otherwise its out of your control and say goodbye to your ONS...you ready to accept that lol?

Post: #10

(02-05-2017 02:14 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  There seems to be a huge variety of opinions on NYC here. Guys on the forum have been saying its the best city in the states for men for years. Superior ratios, walkability, late last call, foreign women from all over the world and the sex and the city hookup culture.

Its supposed to be game on easy mode if you are based in Manhattan right? But lately I'm seeing reports from NY based members that "women are spoiled for choice", which is it? Do you have to be wealthy for NYC to be good? And if NYC is now hard for players I can't imagine it being easier anywhere else in North America.

If you focus entirely on night game, then yes, unless you're a top 1%-er you'll have to put in some effort. However, if you're more strategic in how you go about meeting women, then NYC is an absolute paradise in the US at least.

I'm short and the women in Manhattan tend to be taller (5'7" or so in flats), so bars and clubs are usually a tough crowd for me (damn those heels! lol). Also I'm pretty chill and laid back, and that's not exactly the type of personality that excels in an aggressive, competitive environment like a trendy bar or loud nighclub. The fact that I'm not very tall with an imposing presence is another strike against me in such an environment.

But I've been able to meet women through day gaming and social events with far more ease. Cafes, museums, the subway, parks...daygaming opportunities here are literally endless, and there's just so many young, attractive women, it can drive a man crazy. You need never step foot inside a bar/club and you can still get laid often here. I've had friends who over the years became complete gurus at picking up women in cafes.

There's tons of Europeans and Russians as well and I tend to do better with them than with native born Americans.

So yeah, depending on how you go about prowling and your own SMV, it can be easy or harder. And no, you do not need to be a Wall Street baller to get with 9s and 10s here. You do have to be at least reasonably sharp looking and/or have good game, though. Or be part of a solid social circle.

I lived in LA before and NYC is a million times better for a single guy. It's not even debatable, really.

Post: #11

(02-05-2017 02:41 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  I refuse to believe that theres not something about yourself you can improve to fix this problem. Otherwise its out of your control and say goodbye to your ONS...you ready to accept that lol?

I'm more on the mellow side. I'm definitely not the loud/boisterous guy that will aggressively grind up against a girl or make a clown of himself just to get laid. From what I've seen, these types of guys tend to be the most successful at ONS. I prefer to have a short convo, get the number and then take it from there.

I don't mind waiting until date #1 or 2 for sex.

Post: #12

(02-05-2017 12:38 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  I've never gotten a lay from NYC nightgame, and posts like this, along with Roosh's recent podcast on nightgame, make me think it's a waste of time trying to heavily invest in getting "good" at nightgame.

And re: crickets, I recently got cricketed by the first chick I tried tuthmosis' zero date bang on. Mine you I didn't get the bang (1st base) and I have a small sample size to make an informed statement on.

I left some comments on rooshv.com under podcast about night game. I am in eastern Europe and things are slightly different here. But night game is definitely,not for anyone. I am good at this,i don't know why exactly- but i always felt good in night clubs. I feel like a fish in the water there. Even bad music don't bothers me. I have tried daygame-and i don't feel good doing that.

Post: #13

(02-05-2017 12:29 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Clubs are obsolete. Women do not need to go to clubs any longer to meet an attractive guy and fuck. They can use Tinder. The purpose of them going to clubs are to socialize and/or attention whore it up to "get low".

Soon Tinder will be obsolete also. They'll create some sort of app that uses an intranet inside a restaurant/cafe/bar where you can immediately text whoever you want within that cafe. Trust me, this will happen.

You have to adapt. Direct daygame will always work unless you do some silly ass indirect spamming faggot shit. Then you're just the entertainment on the street like the dancing monkey in the club who had too many beers.

Adapt. Learn to tell a woman you want to fuck her by just using eye contact. Then learn the "let's get out of here" head nod. It'll work if you're attractive and don't look like a pedofile/rapist. There's no need for games in pickup like people think.

So to answer your question. Yes, I've noticed this, but it's been changing slowly for several years, not just a few months.

Interesting. Thanks. I also think,that tinder is slowly passing a way,and there will be something new. Looking back to past several years in night game- for me-
2012 was quite good,
2013-bad,uninteresting year
2014-wery good
2015-begining-LTR,second half-good.
2016-begining-good,and then things changed,as i described.

Post: #14

(02-05-2017 02:41 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  I feel like a lot of external reasons for not getting ONS are being posted.
What about the internal reasons?

I refuse to believe that theres not something about yourself you can improve to fix this problem. Otherwise its out of your control and say goodbye to your ONS...you ready to accept that lol?

I want to figure out-is it internal,or external. That's why i am asking those,who are still regularly practicing night game.
Maybe i should adapt for some new type of behavior,i really don't know..

Post: #15

(02-05-2017 05:40 PM)just a human Wrote:  I want to figure out-is it internal,or external. That's why i am asking those,who are still regularly practicing night game.
Maybe i should adapt for some new type of behavior,i really don't know..

What does your typical attempt to ONS look like? Walk us through the steps..

Post: #16

(02-05-2017 11:06 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 05:40 PM)just a human Wrote:  I want to figure out-is it internal,or external. That's why i am asking those,who are still regularly practicing night game.
Maybe i should adapt for some new type of behavior,i really don't know..

What does your typical attempt to ONS look like? Walk us through the steps..

There isn't anything special. So far worked well for me,and still works,but same night bangs dropped a lot, no matter what age i approach.
So- i go to the club.
I play a numbers game.
I approach till i find one who seems interested.
Conversation-depends on the girls type. Mostly-some bullshit.
I try to pull her on dance floor.
If she agrees-i start to touch her while dancing,and see what's hers reaction.
If no- i continue talking,and go for some kino.
If she let me touch her-that's actually a good sign.
At some point i go for kiss.
If everything proceeds good -after some time,i go for the next step-i somehow suggest that we could continue this night together. How i say that-it depends on situation and girl-is she more brutal or shy,more or less drunk.
If she agrees-directly or indirectly-i say that we can go to my place and so...
Of course -not all the situations are the same,and there is many nuances.

I am not a game theorist - i am into field practice.
And i really interested to figure out,what's happening-why ONS dropped a lot,but not completely. It's a challenge -life is interesting thing.

Post: #17

(02-05-2017 12:29 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Soon Tinder will be obsolete also. They'll create some sort of app that uses an intranet inside a restaurant/cafe/bar where you can immediately text whoever you want within that cafe. Trust me, this will happen.

Interesting. There was the concept of having an intranet of land phones in a pub/cafe - a phone at every table, and you can just dial a table of your choice and talk to the girls there (tables were visibly numbered and you just dialed the number).

This never really caught on, the idea was well known and easy to implement technically (a standard pbx), but venues rarely actually did it.

Post: #18

This is unbelievable. Something is happening here in eastern Europe. Definitely. Same scenario night after night. Kissing , no fucking. Yesterday kissed one girl. Today two girls. No fucking. Last week kissed three girls. It's clear that they go to these clubs for sexual validation. They feed themselves with feeling that someone wants to fuck them. And I guess -kissing is like some border line for them. But biggest surprise is- how similarly they act ! It's like someone gave them a command -do this. And they all do the same scenario. Unbelievable. I am on the very very strange, partial dry spell here. Partial, because i still get some ONS.

Post: #19

I've pulled three ONS's from club game (6.5, 7 and 7.5 in my books), and got several other leads that I'm still following up on in the last three weekends, going out twice a week. Two of those approached me and the other one was a friend of the girl my mate was talking to but she initiated the going home process.

Make sure you're one of the best looking guys in the room (If you're not, change location) with a fun vibe and just escalate until they're so horny they decide to take YOU home. Simple as that with nightgame these days. There's also a bit of right place, right time about it so as long as you're present you're always in with a shot.

I only recommend nightgame to people who actually enjoy drinking and that environment though. There are far more efficient ways to get laid if you only put yourself through it for one reason. I love the atmosphere, music and anything could happen vibe of bars/clubs which directly translates to my success as girls can see from a mile away which guys are only there to try and get in their pants.

Post: #20

(02-07-2017 01:12 PM)Malo Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 12:29 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Soon Tinder will be obsolete also. They'll create some sort of app that uses an intranet inside a restaurant/cafe/bar where you can immediately text whoever you want within that cafe. Trust me, this will happen.

Interesting. There was the concept of having an intranet of land phones in a pub/cafe - a phone at every table, and you can just dial a table of your choice and talk to the girls there (tables were visibly numbered and you just dialed the number).

This never really caught on, the idea was well known and easy to implement technically (a standard pbx), but venues rarely actually did it.

Considering that big-box retail is dying in favor of eCommerce, is it any wonder that people increasingly shop for the opposite sex from the comfort of home? It's a convenience thing. What could possibly make it more convenient? Teleporters? (Sorry for dating myself here)



The only thing unrealistic about Logan's Run is they had more of a 50/50 rule rather than the 80/20 rule, or more like the 95/5 rule which seems to be what's currently dominating with Tinder, (which is why it's not so realistic to show a guy doing the shopping, although Michael York at the time was probably sufficiently alpha.)