Post: #1

I am 30 years old and rusty regarding my interactions with women (was working offshore for 4 years away from "normal people" until February 2017). I have several gifts they greatly appreciate (humor, above all else, in shape, can play off faux ultra cocky confidence, but sometimes I can go full on aloof "in state" charismatic funny lovable cocky bastard, just "happens" sometimes). I have read a lot about game and am trying to consciously apply it's principles. To get to the gist, I began working at a bar/restaurant totally surrounded by young, attractive women a month ago. The few men who work there don't really have any game, they're typical nice guy types. It's great.

I went in as strong as possible to make an impression early on by teasing some of the girls. Several of they have obviously been a sort of "curious" type of attracted to me (frequent, obvious glances checking me out, and some have teased me a bit in a girlish way). Most let me touch them without protest (alpha type displays like flicking their hair, touching their arm when saying hello). I feel most of them may be outright intimidated by me, idk. There is one girl in particular I am after. She's 19 and a hawt mess (bubbly blonde), a 7 or 8 to me.

She also happens to have been the most approachable of all the girls. She shit tested me several times and seems generally dissatisfied to me. Her name is Desiree. I started trying to game her slowly, when we first exchanged names, I told her "I know your type...you're trouble," with a smile).

She wore those horrible, huge "I'm sophisticated" libtard spectacles reading glasses to work at first, which I went to work on for the teasing. She shit tested me two times when I did by saying they're "silly," first by having said, "you're very judgmental, aren't you?" I did AA. Pass. Separately, she tested me by asking me "what, you don't want me to be able to read?" To which I said, "it's the style." Lit up. Later on, I caught her checking me out when I was in my gym clothes, full on head to toe. Again, I hit her glasses again, but also teased her for her name pronunciation, I called her "Desire" in a detached, aloof way. She predictably corrected me, to which I replied, "Yeah, I know. I got a speech impediment." She really lit up, naturally.

She asked me what's wrong with her glasses, again, to which I said, "in my experience, every girl who wears those glasses is high drama & high maintenance." She tried qualifying herself by disputing her being "dramatic." I teased her further and it went well. She really gave me a warm smile as I left work that day. Different day, she stopped wearing the glasses. I pretended not to recognize her for a bit. Ran into her, and teased her by calling her "desire" again. She really, really lit up that time. She got really shy, and blushed hardcore. I told her I was getting used to the "new and improved her." She brought up not wearing them, to which I said, "yeah, I'm really flattered." She said, "yeah, I haven't worn them in a while."

To jump ahead, things seemed to have been progressing, even though I was pussy footing. She glanced at me more often, smiled with her eyes down a couple times passing me. Otherwise, no big IOI's (questions about myself, trying to be near me), she seemed to be on the fence. At the job, I don't have many opportunities to stop to talk and she's rarely alone. She started getting seriously aggravated the 3rd time I used the "desire" tease and I could tell she was going to start being cold. Since then, I can tell she's more or less irritated with me and probably eliminated me, but she's still curious at the same time. She still doesn't wear those glasses, in spite of not being able to read.

In the background, I have teased other girls there. Another one (waitress), I teased too hard. She came to grab the check-stub to check for her tip, I said, "I knew you were the gold-digging type." She got very upset about it. Later on, I aloofly asked her, "so you don't think you're a gold-digger?" She replied by saying, "no!!!!! Why would you SAY that!!?" I said, "too bad, I'm a sucker for gold-diggers." She rolled her eyes, looked at me as though I were a scumbag, and walked off. Not a good reaction. Later on, I teased her about her hair style, told her it made her look "elfish." I said, "there are plenty of Lord of the Ring fans out there." She changed her hair style. She certainly despises me now. She had seemed attracted as well beforehand towards me. Not interested in her.

To add insult to injury to my predicament, a girl asked me for my number (not really interested in her either). I am but certain a male coworker I considered a friend went and told her I had said "it's better to have women chase you than chase them" stupid guy boast talk. He showed clear signs of jealousy, remarked he had "seen my trick, my mind games I was playing." I also chewed him out that day for being lazy as hell. She went completely cold to me after that day. Used to check me out, a lot, obvious interest, now practically nothing. He also had remarked, "I wished I was blessed with the gift of being good with women." Bitch assed shit. He, of course, denied telling her anything, but his body language showed me he was lying his ass off.

So, here I am. It seems the female hive mind of the restaurant have labelled me outright bad news. Too much of a jerk (or something, idk) or too intimidating for them. Perhaps as outright incompetent ("too much"), idk. I have thought about switching from indirect to direct game regarding desiree in a very, very bold way where I really put myself out there & could probably achieve the one night lay if I can pull it off convincingly. Also thought about admitting I was wrong to the "gold-digging" type who now loathes me by flattering her, telling her I was screening her b/c I thought she was cute, and try to "clean the slate" with her without actually apologizing.

Obviously, I would like to know, where should I try to go from here guys? I also wonder what the girls changing of their styles after my teasing means in relation to me (if anything). Do you think they are trying to please me, or just avoid being teased at work? Any advice as to how to try to game the one I am interested in would also be appreciated. One of the girls recently said something interesting; she was joking about kicking my ass, I cockily said, "what? You think you could handle me? I would be bad for you." She replied by saying, "oh, I definitely know that," matter of factly. A relaxed dismissal type tone (she's a nasty, trashy bitch to me but we get along). It suggests "girl talk" to me, idk again.

My personal perception and raw intuition as a man has always been most of the girls view me as a superior. I come across as very masculine, in a more rugged way (buzz cut, they all say I look as though I had been in the military). I walk with my chest protruded, standing tall. While I am 30, most of them say I look like I am in my early 20's (I do). I make displays of muscular power by carrying heavy things (kind of gay to me, but oy vey!). While I'm an ass to them, I am polite and have their back with work.

I struggle with approach anxiety and keeping the interactions going because I am obsessively trying to actively apply game principles instead of being "loose." I try planning out routines and then afterwards I start getting nervous and cut off the interactions before it shows (over analyzing & thinking). I know all of this is kind of lengthy, but I would like input from others before I try to adapt before I can't get myself out of whatever I got myself in as a "persona non grata." Thank you fellas very much for your time.

Post: #2

It's a generally observed rule that you don't shit where you eat.

Surrounded by a bunch of girls can be heaven and hell.

Women LOVE to talk and gossip - this has pros and cons.

What exactly is your job there ? I'm guessing bartender or a manager of some sort ?

Keep your game to yourself - don't give other guys the 411 on what you're doing and stay mysterious, especially if they have no game or seem like white knights.

Post: #3

(05-10-2017 01:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Keep your game to yourself - don't give other guys the 411 on what you're doing and stay mysterious, especially if they have no game or seem like white knights.

This part. Never tell the other guys if you hang out with a girl outside work, have plans with them whatever. Try to interact with these girls isolated as much as possible.

Let everyone wonder what you are doing.

Don't get too friendly or personal with anyone especially if you want to plow multiple chicks there.

If you get to banging one, also don't get extra flirty and definitely not affectionate with her at work. Flirt slyly with all of them. Divide and conquer, fog of war.

Post: #4

(05-10-2017 01:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  It's a generally observed rule that you don't shit where you eat.

Surrounded by a bunch of girls can be heaven and hell.

Women LOVE to talk and gossip - this has pros and cons.

What exactly is your job there ? I'm guessing bartender or a manager of some sort ?

Keep your game to yourself - don't give other guys the 411 on what you're doing and stay mysterious, especially if they have no game or seem like white knights.

Busser, "bus boy." Short term gig. I get what you're saying about gaming at workplace. I have only lived in this city since February and don't have much of a social network (like no close friends, a few associates so far). I learned the hard way about sharing game; I've got a kind heart and fucked myself there (he also said he wanted to learn, figures). In light of my personal circumstances and station in life, I am therefore looking at this as a good opportunity to practice, and hopefully, nab one. I have an idea as to where to go from here, as I implied. Would love some sort of analysis of the girls' behavior I described.

Post: #5

An alternate option is befriend them and date their friends. You can bang out their friends and it wont be too much gossip at work.

Post: #6

It has been said: Don't shit where you eat.

The girls seem to like you, but what they like more, is the attention you are giving them for free.

Better concentrate on your job and look for women outside of the office.

I speak from experience: I have the same situation at work. Lots of beautiful girls - Tv-presenters - all hired to work in front of the camera.

Its all about attention. I had to learn it the hard way. Don't be like me - don't fuck at the factory.

Post: #7

(05-10-2017 01:54 PM)Imperator.Morpheus Wrote:  Busser, "bus boy." Short term gig. I get what you're saying about gaming at workplace. I have only lived in this city since February and don't have much of a social network (like no close friends, a few associates so far). I learned the hard way about sharing game; I've got a kind heart and fucked myself there (he also said he wanted to learn, figures). In light of my personal circumstances and station in life, I am therefore looking at this as a good opportunity to practice, and hopefully, nab one. I have an idea as to where to go from here, as I implied. Would love some sort of analysis of the girls' behavior I described.

So basically it's a non professional non management gig.

Granted you're 30 which can have it's pros and cons in that industry depending on how you frame yourself.

I think you're playing a little to try hard with some of the girls you interact with, I'd dialed it down and play some funny/mild asshole teasing game, but at the same time don't make it sound so cheesy.

What I would do is try to hang out with a few of them after work, service industry folks love a happy hour and getting fucked up after work (same goes with retail).

Usually when a bar and after party happens eventually guys pull numbers or bangs a coworker at house they're partying at.

kinjutsu has an even better idea is to parlay the girls at work to introduce you to their friends in a social circle setting.

The reason I say this is because you're new to the area, you need to network and build up your connections and friends - you never know who you'll meet and how they can assist you in life.

Post: #8

(05-10-2017 01:36 PM)Imperator.Morpheus Wrote:  In the background, I have teased other girls there. Another one (waitress), I teased too hard. She came to grab the check-stub to check for her tip, I said, "I knew you were the gold-digging type." She got very upset about it. Later on, I aloofly asked her, "so you don't think you're a gold-digger?" She replied by saying, "no!!!!! Why would you SAY that!!?" I said, "too bad, I'm a sucker for gold-diggers." She rolled her eyes, looked at me as though I were a scumbag, and walked off. Not a good reaction. Later on, I teased her about her hair style, told her it made her look "elfish." I said, "there are plenty of Lord of the Ring fans out there." She changed her hair style. She certainly despises me now. She had seemed attracted as well beforehand towards me. Not interested in her.

This sounds like a Sexual Harassment case waiting to happen.

Don't shit where you eat, man. It's a saying for a reason.

Improve your game for outside of the workplace. There are billions of opportunities.

Post: #9

(05-10-2017 02:26 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  An alternate option is befriend them and date their friends. You can bang out their friends and it wont be too much gossip at work.

Nah, I don't know about that.

You're talking about non-existent people, really, As far as the OP is concerned. He wants to bang these girls, I get that. But it seems like too much of a roundabout strategy to befriend the girls he wants to fuck (bad idea) in order to get access to their social circle and THEN parlay that into bangs with girls he has never seen before, and for all he knows doesn't exist or are ugly.

Also I'd add that as an older guy in this situation, you don't want to go the 'familiar, social circle' route. Your advantage is in your mystery, and your unavailability. Use that and don't give it up by becoming 'guy we can hangout with'

Of course there's a fine line there, you DO want to hang out with them but it's gotta be clear you're coming from a totally different place than them.

Post: #10

Dont fuck with girls at work, at all. Dont date, dont bang, dont get personal or "make friends." Just avoid them, do your job well, and get along with people. Go make a life outside of work, you will be happier anyway if you focus on that.

Post: #11

If you insist in Gaming where you work... Try to ease off the pedal a tad. I can tell you've studied Game under David D big time! Cocky Funny works to create massive attraction, especially since you're in shape. When attraction is set... you've got to drop it and be the funny masculine yet sensitive Guy.

These bitchesstarted turning cold on you since you didn't give them the chance to know the non-performer you. You weren't real, so therefore you could not connect with them. You clearly want to shit were you eat, so try this: apologize for being a bit too cocky to the one Bitch you're interested in (apologize only to one bitch: the news will spead... and you don't want these bitches all ganging up on you about your apology being an act)

Blame it on being a new guy. That will give you an in to connect with her if she likes you a bit. Just be yourself if you do fallow my advice. However here's the deal: since you were heavy on being cocky funny, you might have a hard time having a serious convo with a Bitch. If you fumble it, don't be too hard on yourself. It's part of tha Game we're in!

Post: #12

(05-10-2017 01:54 PM)Imperator.Morpheus Wrote:  Busser, "bus boy." Short term gig. ...

Your best bet is to play in a band and / or be the guy with the drugs

Post: #13

get that money mane, plenty of fish in the sea

Post: #14

(05-10-2017 04:21 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  If you insist in Gaming where you work... Try to ease off the pedal a tad. I can tell you've studied Game under David D big time! Cocky Funny works to create massive attraction, especially since you're in shape. When attraction is set... you've got to drop it and be the funny masculine yet sensitive Guy.

These bitchesstarted turning cold on you since you didn't give them the chance to know the non-performer you. You weren't real, so therefore you could not connect with them. You clearly want to shit were you eat, so try this: apologize for being a bit too cocky to the one Bitch you're interested in (apologize only to one bitch: the news will spead... and you don't want these bitches all ganging up on you about your apology being an act)

Blame it on being a new guy. That will give you an in to connect with her if she likes you a bit. Just be yourself if you do fallow my advice. However here's the deal: since you were heavy on being cocky funny, you might have a hard time having a serious convo with a Bitch. If you fumble it, don't be too hard on yourself. It's part of tha Game we're in!

Yeah it seems he is overgaming a bit. That's the problem with workplace gaming and a knee jerk 'cocky / teasing / funny' game. Since you are at work you can't exactly take it much further past that, and you have to keep up the pace every day. After awhile if you keep pulling out the same lines it's going to come off stale. At a certain point (not long) you need to switch gears into escalation mode.

Post: #15

bus boy? shoot, you don't have anything to lose. Go full tilt. Chicks in the hospitality industry are DTF. So what if she's crazy - she probably won't be there in a month nor will you nor half of the other employees. Its not like you are putting this on your resume.

Post: #16

(05-10-2017 04:41 PM)Hypno Wrote:  bus boy? shoot, you don't have anything to lose. Go full tilt. Chicks in the hospitality industry are DTF. So what if she's crazy - she probably won't be there in a month nor will you nor half of the other employees. Its not like you are putting this on your resume.

Rare exception to my advice above, along with fluffer. This is probably one of the only jobs where its a weird if you don't. Never was one, line cook to sous chef to expediter. So yeah, live it up while you are still down low.

Post: #17

(05-10-2017 03:51 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 01:36 PM)Imperator.Morpheus Wrote:  In the background, I have teased other girls there. Another one (waitress), I teased too hard. She came to grab the check-stub to check for her tip, I said, "I knew you were the gold-digging type." She got very upset about it. Later on, I aloofly asked her, "so you don't think you're a gold-digger?" She replied by saying, "no!!!!! Why would you SAY that!!?" I said, "too bad, I'm a sucker for gold-diggers." She rolled her eyes, looked at me as though I were a scumbag, and walked off. Not a good reaction. Later on, I teased her about her hair style, told her it made her look "elfish." I said, "there are plenty of Lord of the Ring fans out there." She changed her hair style. She certainly despises me now. She had seemed attracted as well beforehand towards me. Not interested in her.

This sounds like a Sexual Harassment case waiting to happen.

Don't shit where you eat, man. It's a saying for a reason.

Improve your game for outside of the workplace. There are billions of opportunities.

I am going to dial down in general and do damage control with her. Thank you.

Post: #18

(05-10-2017 04:21 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  If you insist in Gaming where you work... Try to ease off the pedal a tad. I can tell you've studied Game under David D big time! Cocky Funny works to create massive attraction, especially since you're in shape. When attraction is set... you've got to drop it and be the funny masculine yet sensitive Guy.

These bitchesstarted turning cold on you since you didn't give them the chance to know the non-performer you. You weren't real, so therefore you could not connect with them. You clearly want to shit were you eat, so try this: apologize for being a bit too cocky to the one Bitch you're interested in (apologize only to one bitch: the news will spead... and you don't want these bitches all ganging up on you about your apology being an act)

Blame it on being a new guy. That will give you an in to connect with her if she likes you a bit. Just be yourself if you do fallow my advice. However here's the deal: since you were heavy on being cocky funny, you might have a hard time having a serious convo with a Bitch. If you fumble it, don't be too hard on yourself. It's part of tha Game we're in!

This is more of what I originally wanted to get input regarding. Other people helped give me a reality check about it being workplace (I had thought about the "sexual harassment" angle as well). Glad I shared this and appreciate everything. I was working a job on the dregs of society for 4 years (offshore) and am only now around "normal" people (if I hadn't already shared that fact). I have been working on game outside of work.

Lacking a realized social network has made it more difficult for me, because I am certainly not good at cold approaches, yet. I've placed emphasis on building a social network. It's slow going for me, but I am doing what I have to do. I have some "plates" going elsewhere but view this as a prime opportunity. Quite a few of the girls have shown obvious curiosity/attraction in the sense of their being open to be approached. Not interested in outright gaming these chicks, more of the potential LTR angle. It's about that time for me. However, as you said, if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.

Regarding that chick, I have befriended some of her friends and am cool with them. I am steadily winning over most of the girls there so those who have me on their shit list are in the minority (thankfully). I think that will make the dial down with the one I am more interested in easier. Great minds think alike, btw. I was going to non-apologize apologize to the one who got really upset about the "gold digger" and use that to spread the word (I know girls talk and share). As for the cocky, sarcastic intentionally cheesy dry humor, it's mine, never read David D, nor had I heard of him. I will have to check his stuff out though. I have been kind, polite, and considerate to the girls, while having done that "style" for my one on one interactions.

Thank you again, brother.

Post: #19

I wouldn't pursue any of them and only bang if one throws herself at you.

If you try hitting on one and get rejected, the word will spread and you'll get a thirsty beta reputation.

Post: #20

(05-10-2017 03:22 PM)CameraXL Wrote:  It has been said: Don't shit where you eat.

The girls seem to like you, but what they like more, is the attention you are giving them for free.

Better concentrate on your job and look for women outside of the office.

I speak from experience: I have the same situation at work. Lots of beautiful girls - Tv-presenters - all hired to work in front of the camera.

Its all about attention. I had to learn it the hard way. Don't be like me - don't fuck at the factory.

I have thought of the attention thing, I know how women need validation. Perhaps I am wrong, but I would argue those girls are of "higher status," being on TV, like models. These are lower "class" girls, waitresses. Also, this is a short term gig for me, probably won't be lasting more than 2-4 months at most (close to getting a certification for a "real" career), you feel me? What happened to you? Get rejected, as you implied, or caught up after fucking one?

Post: #21

Not caught up - got rejected from the host of the show I produce. Problem was, that I would have never thought about hitting on her (because of the coworker thing), if she had not given me - what I perceived as - strong IOIs over quite a long time: Initiating private messaging after work, asking me out for drinks/dinner, very touchy, deep eyes, left 5-year-LTR.

I took me quite a long time to accept, that she was / still is using me for nothing but attention / validation. We work together closely from mo - fri, and I could still kick my ass for getting too (emotionally) invested.

I try to keep it business, but we have to talk / cooperate. Attention-seeking from her side still strong - but that is what hotties do. She just told me a few days ago, that she is so happy "re-discovering her youth" aka riding cocks (she is 28 btw).

Maybe you're right and TV-girls are of "higher status" - fact is, that it is tempting to hit on hot coworker-girls, since you don't have to cold approach, see them everyday and get insta-value through your work / role.

But it makes you lazy when you're surrounded with hot girls without doing anything. And they will literally jump on you when they realise, that you give them the attention (and validation) they all crave for - especially when its for free.

5 or 8 - they all like to have as many "fans" as possible.

I'm not in you shoes, OP. Maybe its all good when you don't get rejected like I did - your choice.

I'm team DSWYE for a reason.

Post: #22

OP is not exactly dragging in 6 figures at a prestigious firm, risking a shot at a spot on the board of directors.

Bars, restaurants and clubs are one of the few workplaces in the world where occupationally incestuous relationships are no big deal, particularly because everyone involved is painfully aware that little Janey Rape suit is not going to get shit from her broke-ass bartender hookup or her near-broke employer and if she files anyway then she'll also become unemployable in that industry.

Normally I'm the loudest DSWYE guy, but if there's one exception then it's hospitality.

My advice is to get a side-gig at another place then game exclusively at one and work hard at the other. At least if things get too hot you can bounce.

Post: #23

(05-12-2017 02:48 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  OP is not exactly dragging in 6 figures at a prestigious firm, risking a shot at a spot on the board of directors.

Bars, restaurants and clubs are one of the few workplaces in the world where occupationally incestuous relationships are no big deal, particularly because everyone involved is painfully aware that little Janey Rape suit is not going to get shit from her broke-ass bartender hookup or her near-broke employer and if she files anyway then she'll also become unemployable in that industry.

Normally I'm the loudest DSWYE guy, but if there's one exception then it's hospitality.

My advice is to get a side-gig at another place then game exclusively at one and work hard at the other. At least if things get too hot you can bounce.

If you think you can help me with possible perspective/insight, I gave the girl I am into some validation, in full awareness recently to try and get off her shit list a bit. I tried playing it off, telling her, "I don't give compliments out like this often, but you look good today"; told her she should curl her hair more often. She ate it up, absolutely glowed with dreamy eyes and her body basically purred like a cat. She went and curled the hair for next day at work, made a point to ask me (of course, didn't answer nor compliment further). She said she "didn't do it for me" (I guess to tell me, "don't get the wrong idea"?) I am not deluded, however. Not getting meaningful IOI's overall but haven't really engaged either. At the same time, this girl is incredibly frustrated and I am all but certain, unsatisfied with her current relationship. I try not to read into things too much, but she recently brought up a matter of fact bit about how she "needed to take her medicine." Birth control, she then went into a matter of fact blabber about how her bf is 27 (she's 20), said "he's happy" but she didn't have a smile or anything, no warmth whatsoever when she spoke of him. Recited how "he always says he's gonna knock me up and we're gonna have 2 kids." From the bit I gathered by just listening, it seems he wants to impregnate her but she chooses to take the B.C.

You have to understand, I have not been talking to her much, at all. Really and truly, most of the time we are around each other I don't try to talk to her. It seemed weird she brought that stuff up to me. Not as though she's interested in me, per se, but almost as though she was airing her (probable) dissatisfaction. Women don't even know why they say 90% of what they say. Everything about her demeanor tells me she's not satisfied. She recently told someone she "doesn't mind staying late to help out at work." She hangs out with her coworker friends for hours instead of going home most nights (apparently also lives an hour away), leaving her bf at home waiting (I hung out with she and others one time off the job, she was texting him off and on, no smiles nor anything else). She gets very, very frustrated easily over little things at work. She frequently acts with an attitude leaving me thinking intuitively, "this girl is just begging to be put in her place by a real man." Then there is the fact she shit tested me multiple times, unlike almost all other girls there who haven't bothered (which has stopped since she first went cold and put me on the shit list). Women are much harder to read about these things, but it seems obvious and crystal clear to me.

I still struggle with the actual gaming process because I am rusty and ultimately lack the inner confidence to make the move (absolutely ridiculous and insane, considering I've experienced near death experiences and nothing objectively dangerous scares me, at all, but going after a little weak girl does because it's been a while). I've hidden that anxiety by not engaging intensely nor frequently. Unsure as to what approach to take to progress. Does any of what I said above sound like it may mean anything to you? Any advice as to how to progress, if the info I've given is of use? Thanks in advance.

Post: #24

(05-12-2017 12:09 AM)CameraXL Wrote:  Not caught up - got rejected from the host of the show I produce. Problem was, that I would have never thought about hitting on her (because of the coworker thing), if she had not given me - what I perceived as - strong IOIs over quite a long time: Initiating private messaging after work, asking me out for drinks/dinner, very touchy, deep eyes, left 5-year-LTR.

I took me quite a long time to accept, that she was / still is using me for nothing but attention / validation. We work together closely from mo - fri, and I could still kick my ass for getting too (emotionally) invested.

I try to keep it business, but we have to talk / cooperate. Attention-seeking from her side still strong - but that is what hotties do. She just told me a few days ago, that she is so happy "re-discovering her youth" aka riding cocks (she is 28 btw).

Maybe you're right and TV-girls are of "higher status" - fact is, that it is tempting to hit on hot coworker-girls, since you don't have to cold approach, see them everyday and get insta-value through your work / role.

But it makes you lazy when you're surrounded with hot girls without doing anything. And they will literally jump on you when they realise, that you give them the attention (and validation) they all crave for - especially when its for free.

5 or 8 - they all like to have as many "fans" as possible.

I'm not in you shoes, OP. Maybe its all good when you don't get rejected like I did - your choice.

I'm team DSWYE for a reason.

Women will take your heart, rip it out, put it on slow grind blend in a blender, and drink it's contents if we let them. I can come across as pure Alpha when I am in "state" but am at best, a "greater beta." I still get attached, if I like the girl. Prone to "oneitis" as are most of we. We're programmed to sacrifice ourselves for women after all. Only with the girls who I don't like can I be pure "Alpha." If I don't like a girl, I can hit on her very effectively and be in a relationship with her keeping her attracted indefinitely until I tire of her. As for approaches and trying to game a girl I already like, I get highly invested in the outcome and it fucks me almost every time (all but preventing me from summoning the balls to win her to begin with), other than rare occasions wherein I somehow just "go" aloof and become detached from myself. Wish I could do that on command.

Trying to tell you, I feel you about having become emotionally invested with some attention whore (as they all are) who will gladly exploit you for nothing in return. Women are so incredibly vain and nowadays it's an outright dystopia (to me) with snap chat and their smartphones. It seems all but impossible to find one capable of keeping my attention or I theirs for any meaningful period of time. As I am sure you are aware, the worst cruelty you can bestow upon a woman is to ignore her, especially an attractive one. Pathetic she's "re-discovering her youth" at age 28. Our women are out of fucking control! Best of luck to you, and thank you for your time.

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(05-17-2017 01:46 PM)Imperator.Morpheus Wrote:  We're programmed to sacrifice ourselves for women after all.