Post: #1

Hello everyone


I'm new here and just recently got into chasing girls.

I'm deaf. I'm not going into the nuances of being deaf today, except to summarize: my hearing level is mediocre in the range of only 50-70 percent communication on the speaker's side being intelligible to me. An absolute catastrophe. This percentage drops much further in eastern Europe, which is where I am at. In other word, an Ukrainian girl being 80 percent intelligible to you is only less than 40 percent for me.

You people have it too easy.

I'd say I'm easily an 7.5, perhaps even an 8 based on looks alone. I am Russian by birth, having moved to USA at the age of three, where I'd lose my hearing three months later due to medicine or vaccine. Blue eyes. Slavic looks. 28 years old.

I'm naturally charismatic, sly, humorous while slightly cocky. Alas, this state of being is usually not achieved due to my deafness. My inner state is easily extrovert. Deafness cripples all of that. You people have no idea how crippling being deaf is in virtually all aspects of your life.

A 6 or 7 guys with mediocre game can and will often out do me, even if my inner game is tighter than his but difficult to pull due to lack of awareness of my surroundings.

I will go into all of these on a new thread in the future.


For now:

I am in Ukraine, in 2nd tier city of Vinniystia.

Few months ago I have started to approach girls. Not many number closing. In fact, I never have gotten anywhere with Ukrainian girls. I find it very difficult to transit elderly opening into casual conversations. They are always on the go and moreover, their faces rarely give off any reading, which is important to my comfort and easiness. This, despite of having being in Ukraine a total of a year on four separate trips. Czech girls are very easy by comparison. With less than 50 approaches, I have converted two of these into lays. Those with experiences know that gaming Ukrainian/Russians is a world apart from western or central Europeans.

In fact, I am loathe to approach Ukrainian girls at all. This is where the level of intelligible spoken words come into play: I can hardly fucking understand them if they formulate a sentence containing more than 10 fucking words. Which means it's left on me to ramble on...and I've not a clue how to ramble here, with their faces devoid of any reading. Maybe Ukraine's stifling atmosphere with third world landscape here does me in.

My questions: How to approach Ukrainian girls? How to transit into casual conversations? How to get over this mild approach anxiety? Am I supposed to spend half the day looking to approach girls?

Another question: Say a girl is walking toward you two meters away horizonitally, is it a bad idea to approach her if there are people walking around at the same time?

Give me some good lines/comments/jokes/etc to drop on them to transit into conversation while maintaining their interest.

Will apply advices given here immediately.

I must admit that having people around makes me feel a bit uncomfortable, as they will often turn head if English is spoken here. In Czech Republic, I have zero approach anxiety.

I seem to sensed if I have been more aggressive in holding their interest by not letting them go immediately asking the elderly questions, then there is an increased possibility of furthering the conversations. Eastern Slavs are not to be fooled with, you do absolutely have to go a bit cavemen on them. Because they will usually leave right AFTER your elderly question is asked!

Yes, I am currently doing a lot of researches here and will be reading Day Bang soon

Post: #2

I should clarify further:

Yes, not being able to understand her impede my ability to game her effectively. Rambling on and being humorous is my get-around on that. Still, I don't know how to start from nothing. Would like as much advices here

Women's ability to understand me depends on how well she can understand semi-semi broken English. For instance, Czechs have no problem understanding me while Ukrainians struggle, as their level of English is lower and they need perfect spoken English.

I often use notepad.

Tomorrow I will try to pick up girls and report back here.

A week ago, I was at the club. I could have gotten laid that night, probably only if I knew the club was closing at 4am. I was gaming an older but attractive girl and wanted to get back to a student who clearly considered going to my place. I gamed her well by focusing on her friend first, and then having been cockblocked a bit by that primariy target, I went back to her a bit later to chat her up. Maintaing my masculine frame. I told her how she appears to be sweet, that my first impression of her was wrong. Believe me, masculine framing plus good compliments does wonders on younger girls in Ukraine. Not that I have much experiences gaming Ukrainian girls, but I do know their mentality a bit, and they all long for romance crap, done in right dose coupled with masculine framing. I don't go for ultra 8 plus cunts. Its easy to screen those from normal, down to earth sweet 8's and 7's. Had I not been deaf, I would have retained my mother tongue and would have been killing it big time in Ukraine, slaying 7s-8s and hot older women. Well, that's just assuming I retain the same level of inner personality and character as I do now.

Currently my targets are 6.7-7.5

Still waiting on advices.

Post: #3

I'll help you out...even though you write like shit (probably more czech than letting on) for a guy from the States...I thought being deaf enhances other attributes...go figure not with writing!

Ukrainians are old socialists it's in there DNA.
Nobody gets ahead there and they don't want too (has nothing to do with patriotism)
The country is filthy with alcoholics
The women say the men are drunks...but the women are also
Your a tourist...you look at or try to day game a certain age group chick.dressed to kill and being a western smuck you elevate her...but she's either hungover or wants greasy food ( hotdog in a crossiant) or looking for money to waste on more booze
or is dreaming about more booze
GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD
The local guys don't care about the dressed up trash these are the same chicks they drank with at 15 behind Gullivers or Maiden Square (all over Kiev) the guys know the girls are drunks and going nowhere

What does a Ukraine chick prefer? A drunken guy to argue with over the kitchen table with a 26'r

I stopped wondering about "stonefaces" when I read about the effect of alcoholism.
The booze/coffee/junk food sections...is the typical market..not good food...look sometime
The dream for "young chicks" blessed by those hot bodies...is getting knocked up to escape the booze..by a guy their drunken equal.
You could give a ukrainian chick a million dollars she'd just blow it to get back to being a drunk like the rest.

Nothing your doing wrong...you just over rated the people....the best PUA's are old local guys ...they know where the next crop of drunk woman will be dancing...and show up late at night to harvest them.

There are non drinking women "class" .but you were asking about your tourist problem...hope I helped

Post: #4

You obviously have not been to Ukraine. Stop sprouting garbage about Ukraine. Given your idiotic dimissing of Ukrainians as garbage; don't bother to go there. Vast majority of girls do not drink, or little at all.

I wrote like shit......yet your message is incoherent, incomprehensive gibberish of absolutely no value.

I think you were attempting a sort of parody.

I'll give you this: my writing is awful. My writing above made me cringe. I have not written for at least two years now.

Post: #5

Today I opened a group of three girls. Not a single one of them were attractive, save for a 5.5 who could easily turn into a 7 with beer googles on. So My attempt here was to build social networks. They all laughed constantly at my clever humor and wits, yet none of them wanted to give me their phone number to hang out sometimes. Oh well

Opened six other girls today but none of them speaks English.

Will head to a bar/resturant tonight. A girl I opened in a different bar few days ago works there. A decent 6.5-7. She was in a group of four (three girls and one guy) when I first met her. Prior to hanging out with them, I went for a smoke outside a bar to befriend a guy from that group. Established rapport and then ten minutes later I was in the group. Every single one of them gave me IOU. Not the guy of course. I established myself as dominant alpha in the group, entertaining them all. They wouldn't have had as good of a night without me there, that's for sure. Hope all of this effort was not in vain. One of the girls asked me if I was maniac with my high bursts of energy. My reply: "Nyet I'm Russian".

Will report back my result.

Post: #6

Scanner you are russian by birth but dont speak russian?

Also, do you speak normally or was your speech affected by the hearing loss?

Perhaps you are being too entertaining and not enough relating to the girls, or too clownish and not enough conveying sexual intent.

Edit: Nvm just reread thread and got answers

Post: #7

For girls especially giving out the phone number can be seen as more significant in more conservative cultures than, say, the USA, where girls often just give it out to make new friends or to get rid of you. I know in Poland there were cases of girls with BFs whose relationships I totally respected (honestly) who just would not give me their phone number even to be friends (social circle is huge there and you're probably right to try to build one in Ukraine as well). It's a lot less casual and superficial than the western way of doing things, so maybe male friends can be a starting point. I made friends with a club promoter because he was a cool guy and helped me out, and it turns out his best friend is a smoking hot promoter of some other club. When she saw me shooting the shit with the guy/her best friend, I wasn't just another prospective customer anymore. Not saying I penetrated her barriers that quickly, but there is some headway made even if your social circle initially begins as a bit of a sausage fest. You never know who will know whom.

Post: #8

Beirut-I am probably a bit more entertaining. I am a bit novice at conveyning sexual intent. Perhaps you could advise me on this?

Of course my speech is affected by my hearing loss. I do not pronounce words perfectly. I'd say it's about 75-90 percent good depending on the topic and who i am talking to. For most Ukrainians with some English skills-they do not understand me often because they require a near perfect English speaker to understand them.

Hunt-yes you are right. I have even harder time making friends.

You know how people seem to understand/hear better than speak when learning a new language? This makes evolutionary sense and lends to fostering a relationship of any type. After all, what could you say, no matter how well you speak, if you can't understand others? For me, I have the opposite problem in my own native language English!

Thus, I often speak much more than others in order to avoid stalling the conversation and killing the spark. This is the crux of my problem.or rather, the story of my life. I have never been able to make a friend because of this. What you don't hear, you don't know. And what you don't know, you cannot act on information/knowledge taken straight from the audiology sources. What classmates say, the banter and jokes at the hostel parties, and so on. As a result, you are left out entirely. Even a simple bantering between me and a girl, which is a great way to build sexual energy and momentum is nearly monstrously impossible.

You are just simply cut off.

Therefore, it is exponentially more challenging for me to pick up girls-never mind making new friends-than it is for a hearing person of same status (looks, vibe, energy, personality) as me. This is why I have had only ten notches, when I should have had notches easily exceeding 30, or even 50 by now. Everyone who meets me always assume-after one on one communication- that I'm a charmer who get laid on a regular basis. It is simply unfathomable how difficult it is to be deaf and the challenges that comes with it.

For a deaf person: there is zero correlation between how well you speak and how well you hear. You can speak perfectly but unable to understand people. Yes, ZERO. Nearly nobody grasp this concept, and thus often mistaken me for introvert, shy or aloof or stoic person (I am a bit stoic but not in that sense). I just don't know what the fuck people are saying or what's going on around me. No, I am not being interesting or entertaining now because I just don't know what you said and that completely kills the flow of conversation. It stifles the rapport.

Asking you to repeat yourself over and over is not exactly a great way to get you wet either.

The crux of the game is communication is it not? More than 75 percent of the game is communication. What you say, how you express yourself...and generally being in control of your environment.

Now you see how I have my work cut out for me? Going from an inital contact to generating sexual intent is quite a big fucking leap. "Hey how you doing" "intelligible" "Now let's bang!"

Also-my game increases massively when I have company, even if he doesn't act as wingman. Social interactions are rare for me, so I feed off on the social energy and stimulation and my inner frame goes throught the roof.

Post: #9

Last night I opened a legit 8. She totally wanted me....hard....all the way to the end. And then.....totally blew it by going slightly beta at the end. No doubt because of 3 beers, 6 shots vodka, and then 3 cocktails. And there might have been some misunderstanding.....I thought the bill was to pay for her AND her friend drink, but maybe it wasn't and I wasn't down for that. Then I realized maybe it was for mine and her drink. Who knows, it was haze at that point.

Drinking hard fucked up my game. Lesson learned.

Also opened other two cute girls. Bitter acidic as i stood there listening to this cute girl talk....not understanding a single word she said....and it all fizzes out. Countless lays were lost this way. The odds are stacked against me at the bars/clubs. Never had pulled from there before. But I realized that a year prior and before, I never escalate hard. Sure I am always confident but being confident is not the same as gaming her, escalate, establish kino. I think all of these would have come naturally to me were it not for my deafness. Things do not flow easily to me. Reading materials on this website and other PUA sites actually helped me to internalize a lot of advices and I have had put them to good practicial use in the past half a year. Wish I discovered all of this back when I was 18-20. Could had averted the downfall where I was for five years.

Question: how quickly do you establish sexual intent in bars/clubs? Do you convey it within two minutes, or five? Can you give me example?

Post: #10

Scanner im not an expert but judging from my experience, i used to be in love with my jokes and would just fire a barrage of endless teasing and joking at girls and while it worked sometimes, it just disrupts the whole escalation process.

I would say start off with your teases/jokes, then either go into more rapport type stuff or escalate if things are going well, and disperse the clownish stuff as more periodic pulses.


And in my opinion, shouldnt have made a fuss about the bill even if it included her friends drink. Unless its out of reason (though i doubt a drink in ukraine could be).


As for sexual intent,

In theory if you dont go into joking clown mode, or superfriendly mode, your intent will be clear, + you sprinkle teases/light touching and stuff. Then if shes receptive you pull her in as youre talking (to get her ear closer to you) by the lower back or back of the head, then you stare at her back with a mischievous grin, .... or kiss if the vibe is right.

If youre doing all that your intent is clear. Its clear from the moment you open her but if you go beta or clown i think the intent will still be clear but its just her pussy will dry up and shell put you in the friend or orbiter basket.

Post: #11

Yes, I already figured that. Can you explain how to go into rapport type?

If it involves her talking significantly, that's where the biggest challenge comes: understanding her. If I don't understand her clearly, especially on the first meeting, the whole meeting will quickly fizz out.

Yes, you are right. I screwed up big time there. On this site, it is generally advised against buying drinks for girls and that's what flashed through my mind...but then this is Ukraine so it shouldn't have posed a problem.

You mean touch her on the lower back to pull? Can't be done on the first initial approach though, that would be too aggressive. My biggest challenge right now is not the first date, even an instradate but the approaches.

How do you suggest opening Ukrainians, if you have any experiecnes? They are definitely not easy to approach at all

Post: #12

First of all, kudos for you scannerLiv, your attitude is brilliant, as that's the thing you can control, it has merit. I cannot help you because I'm starting in this game thing, however, may I ask you: have you tried to open girls in daytime that look at you? Like, giving you IOI instead of just cold approach. And from there open them and that stuff..just curious.