Post: #1

I found Roosh V and several other game/red pill websites over five years ago. I'm 26 now and I can absolutely say it is the best thing that has ever happened to me. I would be a depressed, angry, overweight feminist if I had continued down the path society laid out for me. My question to you RVFers is how did you share this information with your friends? What specific articles or threads did you show them first to get them going in the right direction? Most people in my midwestern city are liberal feminist supporters, but I have two friends specifically that are conservative trump supporters, but awful with women. They need my help. They are smart enough to know that the left is a web of lies, but they need game in their lives. Lmk what you think because I'm ready to blow their minds but I don't want to freak them out right away.

Post: #2

Interesting question. You may have a desire to "help" your friends which seems quite natural. In my experience it is usually a wasted effort until someone asks.

If one of those worthy friends comments on how easy you just got some girls number then maybe the time to send a link to a single article (not a library of game) which will open this world up to him if he is curious.

Otherwise just keep rocketing ahead and concentrate on growing your health, wealth, and qualiyy of women anf life and the ones who want out of their misery will ask.

Post: #3

I just live my life my way, and let them ask me how I do it.

"Bro, you're not that good looking, and you're not that tall, but you're constantly smashing smuts. How do you do it?"
"Sit down and let's get a drink."

Mentoring dudes on game is fun and fulfilling, but they have to be willing to listen.

Post: #4

OTR and Hank are correct. "Leading by example" is really the only way. A "mindset" change cant be pushed on someone. Change by it's very nature is difficult as there is always fear* associated. Only when desire is greater than that fear can someone be "pulled or lead".

Focus on yourself and achieving your goals. When others ask you your secret...that's when you know they might be ready to listen and you're ready to point the way

* "Fear" can take many forms. Sometimes it's simply "I can't" or "I don't know how" or "Its too hard" etc.

Post: #5

As a full-time single dad my ability to put game into practice in my life is limited due to logistics until I'm officially empty-nest. As such I've had to look at red-pill as mostly book-learning. I don't know how long it will be before I have a new one, but my last relationship was a useful lab-experiment. I gained confirmation of women's manipulative nature and how stubbornly holding-frame and denying them what they want just makes them want you more.

I have a friend who has a daughter but only does the visitation thing, so he lives in an apartment with just a dog. Maybe one day he'll join this forum and find this post, so I don't want to share too many personal details other than to say that his notch count is a lot higher than mine, but it was from an earlier era. He's older now and the sexual marketplace has changed and all of that requires different tactics. I'm offering him some tips on texting etiquette at present, on how to make women sweat by delaying text responses and being altogether more aloof between dates. I am also impressing upon him the need to maintain a steady dating pipeline rather than putting all his eggs in one basket after the first date. He seems interested in this advice although until it starts to payoff I wouldn't consider him to have "taken the red pill". But if I'm going to be going though a dry spell then I can probably learn a lot by being a red-pill Cyrano, assuming he really wants to follow this advice strictly.

Post: #6

Lead by example. Show them the benefits of game by your the way you live your life. Just invite them to your lifestyle and let them see it and taste it. If they want it they will ask you

Post: #7

I am fairly new to red-pill as it comes to dealing with women, but have been so in terms of politics for about a decade or so. Before I got into material like what's discussed here I sent this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKT3al6mmTU) to a friend. At first he didn't like it, but when he came round to my house I put it on for him again. Then he went off watching other Gavin McInnes videos etc.. At the time I would say he was being mildly terrorised by his now fiance. The way I would describe that video's affects on him was that it broke down concepts of how he saw things and allowed him to look at things differently. He heard arguments against positions he had adopted without question and blocked out all alternatives, i.e. you should white knight women and shoulder whatever they want. Now he's got frame and doesn't have problems with his girl. I also walked this guy through the first steps of coming out as a conservative. Due to the social programming that such a thing is evil, he didn't even know he was one. It was completely repressed by political correctness. I remember the moment that journey began sitting across from him I asked him if he liked Nigel Farage. The look in his eyes showed he knew he is not allowed to say it, but sheepishly he uttered the words, "I quite like Nigel Farage."

In this sense I think that a lot of it has to do with making people feel that it's OK to be an individual that is seeking what they want in the world, be it riches or women. A lot of people are programmed to believe that seeking anything is a negative character trait and gravitate to socialism and feminism. They have a guilt that they should not have these things, but suppress the inherent human drives that they do want those things, which comes out in the bizarre soy boy slimey sexual harrasment that we are seeing from the likes of Glenn Thrush and other left-wing sex pests. My observation is that such people tend to have a lot of really nasty pent up sexual aggression.

When people are seriously down the road to such ideologies, I think there is little point in trying. Where it does seem that you can communicate is with guys who can engage in male camaraderie. If this is their idea of hanging out with guys then there's no point:





These people are not worth speaking to at all.

Post: #8

In my main clubbing/rave days it took me going up and chatting to girls along with having some instant success such as touching and flirty body language from the girl that encouraged my friends to have a go. So in a sense as previously mentioned, leading by example in whatever scenario you are in.

Post: #9

Leading by example is exactly what I do. I am more successful in business and with women than all of my friends. But since I don't openly talk about how I turned my life around, and it has been over 5 years since the turning point, my friends probably think "well that's just Jam Man. He's always been good with women" like they think I'm a natural. They don't know I made a conscious effort to improve my life in all areas. This is why I think I need to actually pull the curtain slightly and give them a look into how I've changed myself and how they can as well. I will post their reaction(s) here when it happens.

Post: #10

Don't. I mentioned it to a couple friends way back in the day. Regret it.

Most guys won't be curious. And let's be honest, Game is 90% opening up conversation and being engaging.

Be a producer, not a consumer. When you're out with friends, open up conversation with the girl at the end of the bar. I've gotten friends laid this way...and they still didn't ask, they just figured it was luck. Even when you show them the light, they probably won't see it. They just want to get a girlfriend and settle down. Most don't realize that the beginning of an LTR speaks volumes of how the rest of the relationship will go.

If you really feel the need, you can dance around the topic. Use interrogatives, use questions and "I wonder..." sort of comments. Use humor. Have a humble approach when "talking about game" with your friends.

To be fair, you should speak with humility about game anyway. None of us really understand until our cum is dripping off her left nipple.

Talking about game is gay anyway unless it's a fun story about how you got laid.

Post: #11

Honestly, I lost some friends from my already small social circle.
I mostly hang out now with some cool female friends that are like sisters to me. I just can't stand this simping from men anymore.

I have one friend from football way back and he is really a nice cool guy but he's is terrible with women and I really tried to show him some stuff but he just doesn't care. Lately, he called a girl out why she didn't text him the same day and of course she flaked and instead of pushing for sex, he goes EVERYTIME the "nice guy" path and waits and waits and waits while some chads fuck the girl he likes on the first date and after I can hear the: "all women are whores bruh". Jesus. I have tons of stories like this with other male friends.
Maybe I can't stand it because I changed a lot and it reminded me of my blue pill years.

Most men still think all women are princesses and they will hang on that thought until death.

Post: #12

It says something when every poster thus far has agreed that it's a bad idea.

26 is too old, anyone < 23 and is competitive enough to measure themselves against how many girls they fuck is a prime candidate. Otherwise people are less interested when they are older so don't waste your time.

Post: #13

Like others have said, leading by example is the way to go and if your friends see your successes and want to improve themselves, then they'll probably come to you for help. I wouldn't bring it up first because if they aren't asking you about things then they probably don't really want to change anything.

I sort of compare this to lifting. If you're crushing it at the gym, other guys are gonna take notice and some may come up and ask you for input on their form or maybe their routine or something. But going around giving unsolicited advice to people at the gym, even if it's clear they don't know what the fuck they're doing, is gonna be off-putting to almost everyone and make you seem like a know-it-all douchebag.

Post: #14

Interesting stuff. I guess I’ll have to be very subtle about any advice I give. It’s just rediculous to me that a man would reject any valid information about how to be better with women. Especially when they’re obviously struggling and unhappy because of it.

One of these guys I want to help is single but he is pretty social and is always talking to a new girl. I think he’s too needy bc he’s always texting girls in the morning and every single day between dates. He just needs to lay off and chill out in between dates. I’ve given him some texting advice before. I think there is hope for him.
The other guy is currently dating a girl who is 50 pounds heavier than him. This guy works out and looks decent but is shy and works an IT job. He might be a lost cause. The other night another friend told me they were talking about getting a place together in a few months.

It’s tough to see these guys fail bc I’ve known them for many years and we’ve had great times. I don’t want to see them both end up with land whales. It seems like they’re headed in a bad direction but if I can just slightly alter their paths, they might have a chance. But like mentioned before, only if THEY want to make the change. When I found roosh, heartiste, etc. I couldn’t get enough information. I dove in head first and consumed it all. And started implementing it in real life. When it actually worked, I remember laughing to myself bc I finally found the truth. I would like my friends to have that same moment of enlightenment. ultimately, it’s not up to me. But I would like to spark the fire if I can.

Post: #15

Don't. Lead by example and let them form their own conclusions through experience. And if asked for guidance provide it in the most terse no nonsense way possible. Anything longer than "Break up with her.", "She's a fat cunt.", and/or "Grow a pair." is not worth your time.

Game is only understood by people who become enlightened to it and internalized it. Or is naturally internal to the person who has it. Pain and struggle are the only teachers worth their time.

Post: #16

When I was younger, I tried talking about game to my friends. They ALL wrote it off. So, I'm not going to waste my time.

If a friend wants to know how I sleep with so many women, then I'll tell him about the abundance mentality.

That is the only thing I'll discuss. If I dive any deeper, it will fall upon deaf ears.

Post: #17

(12-03-2017 10:58 AM)Jam Man Wrote:  I found Roosh V and several other game/red pill websites over five years ago. I'm 26 now and I can absolutely say it is the best thing that has ever happened to me. I would be a depressed, angry, overweight feminist if I had continued down the path society laid out for me. My question to you RVFers is how did you share this information with your friends? What specific articles or threads did you show them first to get them going in the right direction? Most people in my midwestern city are liberal feminist supporters, but I have two friends specifically that are conservative trump supporters, but awful with women. They need my help. They are smart enough to know that the left is a web of lies, but they need game in their lives. Lmk what you think because I'm ready to blow their minds but I don't want to freak them out right away.

Everyone I know that obsesses over game usually is shit at it or so I have found. I recall how obsessed RSD MADISON was and how bad his game was back then. Maybe it has improved. If Boss is any indication, I am suspect at best.

I learned pickup from a couple of naturals. Best game I ever saw. I later got introduced to the Game but, friends led by example. No theory or mental masturbation. All this jazz of inner game is hocus pocus. Yes, some have cognitive dissonance, mental health or other issues. It can help with positivity but, all this self help and positivity wizardry is nonsense.

I think a product like TM or MMM are great If you are at intermediate or advanced level of pickup. Useless for most people who are stuck on AA. LEAD BY EXAMPLE. Let them choose. I learn watching you approach and get numbers or seeing you walk out of the club holding a girl's hand before receiving a text late that night about stuffing some girl. That speaks a million times more then pickup haggotry theory. I recall some TAF cuck I met preaching but, could not pull or do pickup. I recall LS biscuit coach getting cucked on Keys to the VIP. dude can talk theory and maybe cheerlead but, he cannot get babes.

School boy error. Get girls. Let them become inquisitive. Asian and Eastern philosophy answer questions with more questions. The foolish western way is to give answers rather then let people figure it out.

The west is into high kill count thunder thighs and raising children with single moms. Women who would not give them the time a day when in her best days. Every man has a choice.

Cuckoldry or bad ass. You can't be half a gangster.

Post: #18

(12-05-2017 01:10 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Don't. Lead by example and let them form their own conclusions through experience. And if asked for guidance provide it in the most terse no nonsense way possible. Anything longer than "Break up with her.", "She's a fat cunt.", and/or "Grow a pair." is not worth your time.

Game is only understood by people who become enlightened to it and internalized it. Or is naturally internal to the person who has it. Pain and struggle are the only teachers worth their time.

+ 1

I could have saved my breathe had I seen this post first.

Every cuck loves to preach pickup. Cannot pull or get a number or cowardly relies on passive dating like tinder/bumble; basically, women's way of dating.

The only bad thing I see from pickup is misogyny and cognitive dissonance which seems to go hand in hand. Becoming disillusioned by female nature and what society preaches of buying dinner, beta male cuck provider, and

brb guys, takes dinner then fucks handle bar mustache

brb guys, wants to date now as alpha wont give her the ring

brb guys, seeking marriage after SMV has cratered

I don't blame women. Its a combo of things ranging from gender neutral, low testosterone males, high kill count women, dudes raising bastard children, dating single moms, feminism, following the beaten path, and the fact that, shitty female behavior like cuckoldry still gets her the ring from spineless men.

Post: #19

I made the mistake and tried to share with a few friends who I thought were ready and would get it. They didn't and in one case, our friendship hasn't been the same as I see him as a helpless depressed beta who doesn't want nor see the need to change.

Post: #20

^Some men (most), are happy being the way they are. They'll maybe fuck a couple girls and wife up a woman who they think is a saint, but in real life they settled because they wanted a provider.

To each their own. If they want to improve their lives or become better with women, they will WANT to know and learn how they can be that way.