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Starting my Research on Colombian cities (specifically 2nd Tier)
As you guys know I am planning on moving to Colombia to teach within the year. As of right now im not 100% on what city I want to live and work in.

So I wanted to start a thread to generate some good discussion breaking down all the major 1st and 2nd tier cities (pro's & con's ect)

Im gonna put ALOT of time in researching this, soo any and all comments are welcome.

I am mainly gonna be concentrating on gathering info for the 2nd tier cities as the 1st tier are all pretty well known.

*Note: Ive only been to Cartagena, Quilla, & Santa Marta*

Bogota

Not really high on my choices. To many other tourists and gringos.

The best thing going for Bogota is the nightlife imo. Which is a big plus for me because I like to have options if I get bored and feel like going out that night.

Lots of jobs for ESL teachers.

Weather sucks

Medellin

Great weather

Tons of hot girls

Hard to find work as an ESL teacher

Pretty touristy

Cartagena

WAY to touristy

Has the beach

Barranquilla

Hot chicks

Good central location on the coast

Hardly 0 other gringos in the city

Weather is not good

Good nightlife

City is not the most aesthetically pleasing and crime is an issue

Cali

Not many gringos

Decent job market for ESL teachers

Big salsa scene (not good for me as I prefer bachata and reggeatton)

Hot climate

Santa Marta

Pretty city

Good location / Nice beaches near by

Ugly females

To many tourists & gringos

Cucuta (Need more intel)

Decent sized city

Hot and humid

Bucaramanga (Need more intel)

Clean and organized city

Nice population

Good climate

Pereira

Hot and friendly women

Good location

Pretty decent nightlife

Ibague (Need more intel)

Seems promising. I got some local connects there

Bello (Need more intel)

?

Manizales (Need more intel)

College town

Good weather

Neiva (Need more intel)

?

Armenia (Need more intel)

?



Well this is just a start. I got to roll to work and will be adding my findings to this thread when I get some time.
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I'll be spending much of January in Colombia, so I look forward to any intel this thread uncovers. This initial breakdown is helpful Dash.
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(09-14-2011 04:18 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  I'll be spending much of January in Colombia, so I look forward to any intel this thread uncovers. This initial breakdown is helpful Dash.

What I jotted down real quick was nothing.

Wait till im done with this thread!

**I think im gonna break down one 2nd tier city at a time on this thread. If anyone has any requests on cities they want me to pull back the curtains on let me know. Although Im trying to just focus on the ones with ATLEAST 200K people. ( No further down that Barrancabermeja http://www.aneki.com/cities/Colombian.html ) **
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Dash, Bucaramanga has some hot women! The majority are light skinned, and a lot of em have nice bodies. And you will not see many gringos at all.

I like the weather when I was there a little over a month ago. It was nice for the most part, but a little bit weird because it would rain like every other day it seems. But the rain never lasted. Sometimes it would rain for like 10 minutes or so and stop.

One day I met up with a girl at the campus of the Autonomous University of Bucaramanga, and I couldn't believe my fuckin eyes - one pretty girl after another.

The city is also attractive for the most part.

Unfortunately I can't speak much on the night life. I didn't hit up the clubs, and I regret that. I stayed with a girl almost the whole time.

I'm sure Mixx can speak on the nightlife.
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Thanx for the intel.

Bucaramanga is HIGH on my list and prob the front runner right now as far as 2nd tier goes.

Matter of fact im gonna break that city down first. Time to get to work....
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Ok Dash, a lot to keep in mind here.

My two cents, start working in a 1st tier city, meaning Bogota, Medellin, Cali (which has more gringos than you think), Cartagena, or Barranquilla. Then travel to other parts of Colombia (as a teacher you will get a bunch of vacation time) and see if a smaller city fits your parameters. Outside of those five cities, unless I was raising children and wanted to them to be able to run around freely, or had a hostel on the beach, I wouldn't live anywhere else in Colombia. I certainly wouldn't live anywhere else as a teacher, with a couple of exceptions.

The thing about second tier cities in Colombia is even if they have hundreds of thousands of people, they seem like American cities with maybe 40,000 people. The cities feel very small and insular. Everyone knows each other, gossip flies around, everything is very monocultural. If you are one of only a handful of gringos in a city, you will stick out, and word will travel fast. I imagine it would be difficult to game lots of different girls in a smaller city, but I have only travelled through some of these cities so I don't know what it would be like for someone who lives there.

A guy I knew worked as a teacher at a school in Valledupar (No. 19 on your list), and while he didn't quite regret it, he mentioned some things that you should keep in mind about smaller cities in Colombia.

1. If there are no universities in the city, that means nearly everyone aged 18-25 is out of town, and most of them are not coming back except for vacations. And most of them will find work in the city where they studied afterwards.

2. If you are teaching in a high school, you will see your students everywhere, even at bars where they will be drinking underage. It is possible that you will be told not to go to bars where you might run into your students, as opposed to the students getting in trouble for drinking underage.

3. Some cities in Colombia have a very idiosyncratic culture and nothing else. Valledupar is where Vallenato comes from, so people there listen to nothing else, not even reggaeton or salsa. If you don't like drinking whiskey on the stoop while dancing and listening to vallentato every weekend you are out of luck. I imagine other cities like that have similar vibes...meaning there is one thing to do, and no other options. Many cities have one nightlife district where everyone goes, and thats about it. On the other hand, in Bogota for example, there is an endless amount of options. There are entire nightlife districts in this city that I have yet to explore.

4. This goes for food too. In a second tier city, if you don't like the mostly bland Colombian food that most people eat, you are out of luck. Forget about good foreign food. Meat, arepas, and soup for you.

5. I would not overestimate the importance of being the only gringo in town. Once you go outside of the main four or five tourist districts in Bogota (Candelaria, Parque 93, Zona T, Chapinero, Unicentro) you will be the only gringo around in most places. You will figure out very quickly where most gringos are, and they are mostly scared to go anywhere not mentioned in the Lonely Planet guidebook, so you will be fine. I would say the effect of being the only gringo is negligible overall. It's much more interesting for your sake as a cultural experience than as a DHV that will get you more attention from girls, IMHO.

I know that you did a lot of research about Korea, and it still wasn't what you expected. The same thing will happen with smaller cities in Colombia...most of them would be too boring to live in. Below, I will list what I know or experienced about the second tier cities in Colombia with more than 200,000 people.

Cucuta - On the border with Venezuela. I have never been, but I was slightly north of there in the city of Maicao (31) and it was full of contraband smuggled in from Venezuela, and the kind of sketchy people who do that sort of thing. Has an awful rep among Colombians.

Bucaramanga - Every foreigner I have met teaching there is mostly happy with it. Lots of parks and hot girls. Hot weather. Still, a cultural desert for the most part, hope you like accordions.

Pereira - Girls are reputed to be very easy here. Most hookers in Colombia are either from Medellin or Pereira.

Ibague - Boring, ugly, hot. Lots of crime for a city of its size. Nothing to do.

Pasto - Near Ecuador, more indigenous culture. Colder weather similar to Bogota.

Manizales - Also has Bogota-like weather.

Neiva - A hole. Very hot. They have a fun festival for two weeks in June, but the rest of the year...meh.

Soledad - Right next to Barranquilla, basically the same thing.

Villavicencio - Close to Bogota, but has very hot weather. Cowboy style. Might be good as a jumpoff point to explore the llanos plains region, but the city itself is bland.

Armenia - Great weather, beautiful region (the coffee zone), but the city itself doesn't really have much going on. Located only an hour from Pereira.

Soacha - A ghetto city that is more or less part of Bogota. I would say don't live here.

Monteria, Sincelejo - Coastal cities with a lot of similarities to Valledupar. Very Costeño, macho culture but not very open-minded or interesting for more than a day or two. I know one family of missionaries who said they were appalled at the educational system in Sincelejo and moved to Bogota as a result, so I don't think there's much opportunity to teach there.

Buenaventura - Very black city, very dangerous, full of paramilitaries, drug smugglers, and Africa-like poverty. I dare you to live here, haha.

Popayan - I didn't see this city on the list, but it is a capital and probably has 300,000 people. I liked the city a lot. Great architecture, smart people, a bit of culture, few gringos. This and Bucaramanga are the two smaller cities I could probably make a go of it in.

Something to think about: Besides gaming chicks and learning Spanish, what do you want to do here? What hobbies would you be spending time on? Are you gonna be a beach bum? Do you like museums and cafes? Are you gonna learn how to dance? Will you get sick of the same food and partying and need variety? That might help you make a better decision. Of course, let me know if you have any questions.
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5. I would not overestimate the importance of being the only gringo in town. Once you go outside of the main four or five tourist districts in Bogota (Candelaria, Parque 93, Zona T, Chapinero, Unicentro) you will be the only gringo around in most places.

I know that you did a lot of research about Korea, and it still wasn't what you expected. The same thing will happen with smaller cities in Colombia...most of them would be too boring to live in.


Dash, repeat these words of wisdom from Ajiaco many times in your head.

Gringo's don't live in the other cities often bc they are boring as shit.

I spent 3 months in Cusco which is gringo infested, if i went more than a quarter mile from the Plaza de Armas i would not see ANY gringos.

If you are working there you will make local friends and they will take you to local parties (no other gringos) or areas of towns gringos don't go to.

Realize these smaller cities will most likely pay you less for teaching esl and treat you worse bc they are not used to dealing with foreigners and you have less options to teach elsewhere in that city.

Lastly as someone who has lived abroad for 7 years you will want to be around other Americans, Aussies, Brits or whoever at times to keep your sanity if you will be there long term.

Just things to think about, and living in Korea will help you realize what you like/hate about being abroad.
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Ajiaco & Redneck

Big thanks for intel guys!

In regards to places being "boring", let me pre-face that I am a little different in that I view things differently than most people on this board.

I dont care anything about museums, cafes, cultural stuff, touristy things, ect.

For me to be able to enjoy a city ( livable ) it has to have the following:

> 300K+ ( meaning a big enough pool to fish from )

> Solid nightlife ( at least on the weekend and more than just 1-2 clubs / bars )

> Universities

> Gyms / Malls / Movies Theaters

The main thing that is going to determine whether I have fun and enjoy my time is building a solid social circle(s) and getting laid regularly aka building a stable of women to entertain me.

Quote:Something to think about: Besides gaming chicks and learning Spanish, what do you want to do here? What hobbies would you be spending time on? Are you gonna be a beach bum? Do you like museums and cafes? Are you gonna learn how to dance? Will you get sick of the same food and partying and need variety? That might help you make a better decision. Of course, let me know if you have any questions.

I dont have many hobbies. The things I do in my spare time are going to the gym, and playing tennis, poker, and basketball. Im def gonna learn how to dance. Im a pretty picky eater so variety is def something I dont need. Same with nightlife. As long as there is more than 1-2 clubs that get packed on the weekend and play good music thats all I need. Having lots of friends is the important thing! Because having good friends can make almost anyplace fun!

** After my initial research phase last night it appears my list is gonna be alot smaller than anticipated. Which is a good thing! **
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just remember only a few clubs in a city or many clubs all on the same street means big trouble for juggling women, you will get busted. Happened to me in Santa Marta and Cusco, both have a few hundred thousand people in them and nightlife concentrated in a small area. Or 1 mall or restaurant area.....busted again.
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(09-14-2011 08:20 PM)redneckpunk Wrote:  just remember only 2 clubs in a city or a few clubs all on the same street means big trouble for juggling women, you will get busted. Happened to me in Santa Marta and Cusco, both have a few hundred thousand people in them and nightlife concentrated in a small area. Or 1 mall or restaurant area.....busted again.

I will try to refrain from being in any relationship. Gonna try and keep it casual / fun / discrete. Unless I meet a slamming chick ( great body, face, and personality / fun ) I doubt that will happen though....

That was just the bare minimum requirements. Preferably the city has more than one zona / barrio with clubs and bars.

But your right, Things can get dicey! lol
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RE: Starting my Research on Colombian cities (specifically 2nd Tier)
Making a questionnaire / survey for the locals in each city that I will send out in mass through facebook, couchsurfing. and other social media networks. How this look? What would you guys add or change?

How would you describe "x" city? ¿Cómo describiría la "x" de la ciudad?

What are the good area's and discos to go to for rumba and fun! ¿Cuáles son las buena zonas y discotecas ir para la rumba y la diversión / chevere?

What are some good places to eat in "x". ¿Cuáles son algunos buenos lugares para comer en "x".

What do you and your friends like to do for fun besides going out at night? ¿Qué es lo que usted y sus amigos les gusta hacer para divertirse, además de salir por la noche?
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I just sent out an ASS load of messages to people from Bucaramanga.

Will be dropping the complete report on Bucara real soon!
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I think for your purposes, Armenia/Pereira is a good option, since you would have two medium-sized cities to bounce around in. And girls from that region are hot, and the weather is like permanent June, not too hot or cold. Bucaramanga would probably be right up your alley too, but the weather there is more like the dog days of summer. I would say keep the city as large as you can, as I think you will find quickly that a city of 300,000 people here will not feel as large as a city half that size in the United States.

Also, you are definitely gonna meet slamming chicks.
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@Ajiaco

I agree. Right now im stuck between Bucaramanga and Pereria / Armenia. But im gonna go ahead and do extensive research on

1) Bucaramanga
2) Pereria
3) Cucuta
4) Armenia
5) Ibague
6) Manizales

So people can be on the look out for full reports on each being dropped in this thread!
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Going to Cucuta on Tuesday so I'll be able to speak a little bit about it the following week but the reputation is not good.
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@Dash I actually live in Ibague and Ajiaco hits it right on the head...hot, ugly, and boring! I'm already thinking of moving either to Cali or Medellin where there is more to do. Ibague might have 500,000 people but most of them are living on the edges of the city where you don't want to go. La Quinta and Multicentro mall are about all you have and after a couple of days you start seeing the same people over and over again.

Ajiaco hit it right on the head as well with the gossip...everyone will know who you are within a couple of weeks and if you're chasing after the local girls they will know about it as well...people talk here a lot as there is nothing else to do (repeat boring!).

Of the second tier cities I've visited I like Pereira and Armenia a lot, but Pereira gets my vote because is bigger and has a bit more to do and more hot women.
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Good stuff Jarocho2003 and Rinestone!

Ibague is not looking too good in comparison to the other cities. Might have to scratch that one too.
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Bought time to reactivate my colombian dating profiles.... ha
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(09-15-2011 08:00 AM)Jarocho2003 Wrote:  Ajiaco hit it right on the head as well with the gossip...everyone will know who you are within a couple of weeks and if you're chasing after the local girls they will know about it as well...people talk here a lot as there is nothing else to do (repeat boring!).

Jaro, I think you might be describing every Colombian city as far as everyone knowing that a gringo is in town hunting pussy.
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I just made another account on ColombianCupid and for some reason when I went to log in it tells me my account has been terminated?!?

WTF
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(09-15-2011 09:46 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  I just made another account on ColombianCupid and for some reason when I went to log in it tells me my account has been terminated?!?

WTF

It happened to me when I was in Colombia. When I called, they told me it was because I was suspected of fraudulent activity. I was using the site from a country other than the one on my account.

When you call they will ask you a few simple questions then reactivate you.
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Oh I did select United States even though im in Korea
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I don't mean to derail the thread too much Dash, and I think what you're doing is useful, but why aren't you focusing on nailing Korean broads? Surely there are plenty of hotties there. Or does it really suck so much that you're already daydreaming of Colombia?
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(09-15-2011 11:35 PM)lilseezie Wrote:  I don't mean to derail the thread too much Dash, and I think what you're doing is useful, but why aren't you focusing on nailing Korean broads? Surely there are plenty of hotties there. Or does it really suck so much that you're already daydreaming of Colombia?

Im broke and phoneless (spent all my money on el salvador and guatemala right before I left to korea). Soo Im waiting till I get my first real paycheck and get my Alien Registration card so I can get a cell phone before really going hard in the paint to get my Korean flag.

I have only went out to clubs and shit 2 nights.

There is def not PLENTY of hotties here atleast by my standards. There is def some talent out at night but like I pointed out they make up a small percentage of the population. Most females all look the exact same ranging from 4-6.

Even when I start going out more and pulling qualty korean ass im still gonna be daydreaming about Colombia.

Korea is NOTHING compared to Colombia.

Now fellas it looks like the race for the number one 2nd tier city is between Bucaramanga and Pereira.

The Bucaramanga report will be getting dropped soon!

Oh and I added like 30 chicks on Cupid and can I say sweet jesus! I will upload some pics on here soon!
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(09-15-2011 08:30 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  
(09-15-2011 08:00 AM)Jarocho2003 Wrote:  Ajiaco hit it right on the head as well with the gossip...everyone will know who you are within a couple of weeks and if you're chasing after the local girls they will know about it as well...people talk here a lot as there is nothing else to do (repeat boring!).

Jaro, I think you might be describing every Colombian city as far as everyone knowing that a gringo is in town hunting pussy.
Point taken! I think it just makes it easier for them to spot you when yer in a small city. Women in Colombia are well awared that many gringos come down to hit it and quit it so that might be a strike against you unless you can convince them that you're different...I think Bang Colombia should be mandatory reading for anyone thinking of coming down...
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