Post: #1

I think it's better to not mention specifics when arranging a date over text. Why? Because then you'll know if she rejected you or your specific date idea. Also, ask if she can come out instead of if she wants to come out because it's looks better

For example

"Do you have time tomorrow or the next day to hang out?
"Are you free to meet up this weekend?"

Are in my opinion better than

"Do you want to go try that new restaurant tomorrow?
"Do you want to go to XYZ Bar on Saturday?"

She might dislike Chinese food. She might not like going out for drinks. There are many factors we don't know and can't account for, but this trick circumvents a few potential hang ups.

You really want to know "Do you want to go or not?" but asking if she's available makes her not reject you but instead blame the time, so you can ask again later, and appear better and make her feel more comfortable by comparison than if you had asked if she wanted come out that other night. A comfortable girl is more likely to say yes.

If she says yes then you can propose an activity or not, this is a great position to be in. If you decide to propose an activity instead of leaving it a mystery, she's already agreed to meeting up, so you don't have to worry about her declining your date based on what you propose.

If before saying yes or no she asks what you want to do or where you want to go you at least have an indication of interest.

If she says no she's more likely to suggest a new time than she would a new activity, and if she doesn't suggest a new time then at least you know she rejected you instead of your date idea

The downside is that these lines don't tie in very well with many topics, possibly making them much more difficult to ask within natural conversation flow rather than seeming out of the blue

I love the idea of suggesting two times instead of one, a technique found in the fantastic text guide Roosh posted, read it here if you haven't already: http://www.bangpickupguide.com/misc/text...rooshv.pdf

Post: #2

You've already lost if you're dissecting your sentences like this...

Post: #3

The beauty of any form of art is in the details

Post: #4

(06-23-2018 12:51 PM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  I think it's better to not mention specifics when arranging a date over text. Why? Because then you'll know if she rejected you or your specific date idea. Also, ask if she can come out instead of if she wants to come out because it's looks better

Bad idea. The only purpose of using the phone is to set dates. If you aren't mentioning specifics, you are just giving her additional reasons to flake. If a girl wants to see you, she's going to see you no matter what you suggest. You want to be specific so it's a definite date, and there's no room for misjudgment or misinterpretation.

(06-23-2018 12:51 PM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  For example

"Do you have time tomorrow or the next day to hang out?
"Are you free to meet up this weekend?"

Better to ask what her schedule is like for the entire week. She'll give you a list of times, and you can go from there. I know these are examples, but generally this is really simple. Just ask for her schedule for the week and then work from there.

(06-23-2018 12:51 PM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  Are in my opinion better than

"Do you want to go try that new restaurant tomorrow?
"Do you want to go to XYZ Bar on Saturday?"

You shouldn't be asking a girl what she wants to do. Do something you want to do, and invite her to come along. Asking a woman what she wants to do is an attraction killer. If you must, learn beforehand something that she likes and then invite her to come do said thing with you.

(06-23-2018 12:51 PM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  She might dislike Chinese food. She might not like going out for drinks. There are many factors we don't know and can't account for, but this trick circumvents a few potential hang ups.

As said above. Women will use a "hangup" about a place because they don't like you enough. In which case, why are you trying to go out with them anyway?

(06-23-2018 12:51 PM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  You really want to know "Do you want to go or not?" but asking if she's available makes her not reject you but instead blame the time, so you can ask again later, and appear better and make her feel more comfortable by comparison than if you had asked if she wanted come out that other night. A comfortable girl is more likely to say yes.

You should be assuming every women wants to see you, even if that's not true. Proceed accordingly. Feeling out a woman is a waste of time. Make the date, see if she agrees. If not? Move on my friend, plenty of fish in the sea.

(06-23-2018 12:51 PM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  If she says yes then you can propose an activity or not, this is a great position to be in. If you decide to propose an activity instead of leaving it a mystery, she's already agreed to meeting up, so you don't have to worry about her declining your date based on what you propose.

If before saying yes or no she asks what you want to do or where you want to go you at least have an indication of interest.

If she says no she's more likely to suggest a new time than she would a new activity, and if she doesn't suggest a new time then at least you know she rejected you instead of your date idea

The downside is that these lines don't tie in very well with many topics, possibly making them much more difficult to ask within natural conversation flow rather than seeming out of the blue

I love the idea of suggesting two times instead of one, a technique found in the fantastic text guide Roosh posted, read it here if you haven't already: http://www.bangpickupguide.com/misc/text...rooshv.pdf

Put in the volume and I promise you that a very consistent pattern will develop. You'll get a large percentage of women who just aren't interested, as well as a smaller percentage who are eager and enthusiastic. Better to stick to the enthusiastic ones, quickly set the date, and then get off the phone.

There's no need to over-complicate things, if you feel that "advanced game techniques" are needed to get a woman to agree to a date, either she's not interested enough, or you need to put in some more numbers.

Post: #5

I should have indicated that my actual meaning is not to mention specifics only when first asking for the date, following that suggest a date idea, thank you for bringing that to my attention but it's been more than 60 minutes so I can no longer edit the post

Post: #6

Asking questions is beta. Tell her what you're doing and she'll let you know if she's gonna join you and that way she knows you don't care if she shows up to meet you at a bar or not. You're a grown ass man your plans don't depend on her. Stop supplicating.

pro tip: I want [you] to: a)wear my collar and leash, b) be daddy's little fucktoy, c) fuck your face and swallow my come
can work wonders on certain girls.

Post: #7

(06-23-2018 01:02 PM)FullThrottleTX Wrote:  You've already lost if you're dissecting your sentences like this...

100 percent wrong. I worked for years as a writer and copy editor. Word choice and sentence structure matter a lot.

Back in the days of Yahoo Messenger, I slayed because of sentence structure. I would do things like this:

"Do you want to come"
(Wait about 45 seconds)
"over?"

Never failed to get a laugh and a positive response. There is a reason women watch all those Shakespeare movie and read romance novels. They love to be seduced with clever words. It's always been part of the seduction process. Watch what they do, not what they say -- as the saying goes.

(PS: This also goes for job interviews or interactions with teachers. Word choice can mean the difference between success and failure.)

Post: #8

(06-23-2018 04:28 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 01:02 PM)FullThrottleTX Wrote:  You've already lost if you're dissecting your sentences like this...

100 percent wrong. I worked for years as a writer and copy editor. Word choice and sentence structure matter a lot.

Back in the days of Yahoo Messenger, I slayed because of sentence structure. I would do things like this:

"Do you want to come"
(Wait about 45 seconds)
"over?"

Never failed to get a laugh and a positive response. There is a reason women watch all those Shakespeare movie and read romance novels. They love to be seduced with clever words. It's always been part of the seduction process. Watch what they do, not what they say -- as the saying goes.

(PS: This also goes for job interviews or interactions with teachers. Word choice can mean the difference between success and failure.)

We're not talking about cleverness here, he was dissecting how he'd ask her out on a date... Just do it! Don't overthink it.

Post: #9

(06-23-2018 04:18 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  Asking questions is beta. Tell her what you're doing and she'll let you know if she's gonna join you and that way she knows you don't care if she shows up to meet you at a bar or not. You're a grown ass man your plans don't depend on her. Stop supplicating.

pro tip: I want [you] to: a)wear my collar and leash, b) be daddy's little fucktoy, c) fuck your face and swallow my come
can work wonders on certain girls.

Asking questions is beta? No, being afraid to ask questions because you think you might look beta is the definition of being beta.

To OP: It depends on the woman, but in general you are correct. You do not want to ask "do you want to...". Anybody who's ever been in Sales will know this.

A great technique used by sales people is to ask a question that can't be answered with a simple "Yes" or "No". So for example, instead of asking: "Are you free this weekend?" you might say: "Im going to be quite busy this week, but I do have some free time where we could meet up (this makes it seem you presuppose/take for granted she wants to meet you, which is good). Which day would you prefer, Wednesday night or Sat afternoon?".

If she can't do either, she'll usually suggest a day that she can. Then you can say: "Alright, I think that should work, but lets confirm again on Thursday (or whatever day that seems fitting). Talk then!".

Post: #10

(06-23-2018 04:28 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  "Do you want to come"
(Wait about 45 seconds)
"over?"

Gold. I do a variation of this that reads as completely innocent once the second text is sent.

I'll send the first part ("do you want to come"), but I have the follow up text already written, copied, and on standby. I send the second text ("over") immediately after my target sends a response.

Puts her on her heels for a moment, and I get to gauge her intent (based on her response to the first text).

Post: #11

By telling her your plans, that forces her to invest or ignore. Asking gets you a lot of time-wasters and not much investment - the girls who invest if you said 'Can you come out Friday' would have invested if you said "Meet me at Xes Bar at 8pm and we'll have lots of fun.'

Don't ask if she likes drinking tequila, tell her you're gonna drink some margaritas tonight and then re-calibrate off her response.

Yes, if you're simply nailing down logistics for a girl that's already agreed to meet you, questions are fine. 7pm or 9pm? Sure.

Post: #12

(06-23-2018 12:51 PM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  I think it's better to not mention specifics when arranging a date over text. Why? Because then you'll know if she rejected you or your specific date idea. Also, ask if she can come out instead of if she wants to come out because it's looks better

For example

"Do you have time tomorrow or the next day to hang out?
"Are you free to meet up this weekend?"

Are in my opinion better than

"Do you want to go try that new restaurant tomorrow?
"Do you want to go to XYZ Bar on Saturday?"

She might dislike Chinese food. She might not like going out for drinks. There are many factors we don't know and can't account for, but this trick circumvents a few potential hang ups.

You really want to know "Do you want to go or not?" but asking if she's available makes her not reject you but instead blame the time, so you can ask again later, and appear better and make her feel more comfortable by comparison than if you had asked if she wanted come out that other night. A comfortable girl is more likely to say yes.

If she says yes then you can propose an activity or not, this is a great position to be in. If you decide to propose an activity instead of leaving it a mystery, she's already agreed to meeting up, so you don't have to worry about her declining your date based on what you propose.

If before saying yes or no she asks what you want to do or where you want to go you at least have an indication of interest.

If she says no she's more likely to suggest a new time than she would a new activity, and if she doesn't suggest a new time then at least you know she rejected you instead of your date idea

The downside is that these lines don't tie in very well with many topics, possibly making them much more difficult to ask within natural conversation flow rather than seeming out of the blue

I love the idea of suggesting two times instead of one, a technique found in the fantastic text guide Roosh posted, read it here if you haven't already: http://www.bangpickupguide.com/misc/text...rooshv.pdf

I disagree. Stop worrying about getting rejected for every little thing you say.

Girls don't like to make decisions. You should lead the conversation and select the date, time, activity, etc.

Post: #13

I like OP method. A good and indirect way to know if the girls is interested.

If yes, she'll make time.

If maybe, she'll ask what's your plan.

If no, she'll make an excuse. Don't bother wasting time with her.


I don't like being pushy. Saying you're going to do XYZ (fun stuff) the next day is good to show you're not depending on her but what if she has an important schedule (maybe a wedding, a birthday) she can't bail? You can play it cool and bait her with all the "cool" things you're doing expecting her to be interested and change her mind. Might be worth it if the chick is really pretty and you want to keep trying. But most likely a waste of time in my opinion.

I don't do online game but if I were ,I definitely would try OP method.

At my age (mid thirties) I already know if the girl is interested in the first minutes talking to her. You can't get all the signals texting.