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(07-20-2018 10:14 AM)Enoch Wrote:  

(06-30-2018 05:10 AM)Fortis Wrote:  I always viewed unions as a poor man's lobby and an overall good thing. It's nice to think that the law will always have your back against massive, faceless corporations, but we've seen what corporations get up to in unregulated environments against lone workers.

In a sane world where the markets were never tampered with and corporations were not up to slick shit we would not need unions, but I think banding together with a tribe of guys in your same industry is a necessity these days. It's like having a tribe. In these atomized times, we tend to think we can do everything by the sweat of our brow, but just look to the past and see how long that lasts.

I don't co-sign every union, but I do understand why the unions exist.

I'm a bit biased, though. My family is mostly composed of laborers working in the various construction crafts. Almost impossible to avoid fuckery unless you sign on with a union to get your back.

The only issue I have with the union is that there are government agencies who only exist to support the unions, such as the NLRB.

The union should have to stand on its own two feet in any labor dispute against the company, without Uncle Sam's backing.

Government employees make up the bulk of union membership in the US. Government employees are specifically exempted from the National Labor Relations Act and not under the jurisdiction of the National Labor Relations Board. There is no special board for government employees.

Another big group of union employees- railroads and airlines- are also not covered by the National Labor Relations Act / National Labor Relations Board. Airlines and railroads are covered by the Railway Labor Act which makes it harder for those employees to strike.

https://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-protect/j...-standards

The National Labor Relations Board is more of a framework for coming to an agreement on labor issues. It isn’t all against the employer- they have many rules that the unions must also follow. When you read the text you see that it actually takes away quite a bit of power from the unions.

https://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-protect/e...bligations

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(06-29-2018 04:06 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Feudalism.

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This post makes me envy people fortunate enough to be unionized. I spent most of my working years under Obama in the food industry. While the Democrats were more than happy to play identity politics and throw in some token gestures to the working class (Obama's meaningless overtime law comes to mind) they largely ignored the working class. They can blame Russia or white supremacy all they want, but did they really help the working class? As some have pointed out here yeah, there's some problems with unions but for the most part they are there to protect workers.

A friend of mine told me she got fired from Whole Foods because she didn't properly call off after getting heart surgery. I was around when an older gentleman tripped over the slightly raised drain grates in our kitchen, spilling hot soup all over himself. Days later management replaced the raised grates with flatter ones. I've been told by multiple people that Whole Foods at one point brought up the concept of unions in a meeting and bashed the concept altogether. Now watch as Amazon slowly turn Whole Foods into an automized profits first business. I can list other places I've worked at where management could have been checked with a labor representative, but I think everyone gets the point.

(06-29-2018 02:47 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Snip

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The major problem with unions is that they support left wing political parties, which means that your union money is spent promoting SJW, trannies and femininsm.