Post: #1

So I have recently been doing a lot of day game and instead of taking the girl's number I give them mine and never ask theirs back. I leave; I experimented with this because I thought doing so would quickly help me figure that if the girl gets in touch with me; she will be a strong lead. So far out of 8, I have gotten five girls getting hold of me with a simple, "Hey. its natasha". I have not been able to bang any of these girls to which I attribute my failure to being early in the game. What are you thoughts? Has anyone ever done this?

Post: #2

So 60% of the girls you give your number to, spontaneously text you. That seems like a suspiciously high rate of return for such a low energy effort. Especially since rather than being the hunter/leader you seek to become the hunted/follower.

Because women typically have numerous attention giving orbiters, it is quite rare that they initiate texts with a guy who hands them his phone number. Are these girls especially thirsty? (Maybe fat sweathogs?)

Post: #3

I have handed girls my business card before when I didn't feel like rushing the whole getting-phones-out-asking-numbers thing.

I will say: every single time a girl hit me back after giving her my card, it was a bang (and repeat business).

I will also say: I don't do it that frequently, and my response rate isn't that high. But it is a great filter: if she makes the initial effort to reach out, she's down!

(Keep in mind a business card could give a good or bad impression, depending on what you're going for. Mine at the time was just for one specific business that screamed "cool" and not "wealth" so I thought it wasn't a big brag or dangling beta bucks carrot).

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My working theory is that if you make a sufficient connection, one where you both know you'll be seeing each other again, then it is okay.

If it's just a traditional noncommittal "number close", then you're probably losing some girls to this who may have ended up liking you but just won't make the initial move.

Post: #4

(07-10-2018 06:09 AM)Cup_Cake Wrote:  So far out of 8, I have gotten five girls getting hold of me with a simple, "Hey. its natasha".

I am actually surprised at that percentage. Solid!

Post: #5

(07-10-2018 09:20 AM)Durden Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 06:09 AM)Cup_Cake Wrote:  So far out of 8, I have gotten five girls getting hold of me with a simple, "Hey. its natasha".

That is a surprisingly high percentage. Solid!

Post: #6

Early in the game and girls text you first?

Excuse my disbelief but if true, it's great.

Again, I have a hard time believing it outright, especially with daygame. I've seen solid players in person and it's not easy to convert even "taken" numbers. I have also done a decent amount of daygame myself and understand the challenges.

Would you mind telling us more details on the approaches? We are definitely interested in what you are doing right.

Post: #7

I totally agree with giving girls your number. I would not advise that for the Regular Joe but giving a girl my number cuts the flake rate down dramatically and falls in line with my cocky aloof game. I advised do not attempt giving a girl your number if you know you're not hot rich or stand out in a certain area.

Post: #8

I tried this online for about 2 months and got much better results asking for their number. And this was a much larger sample.

Women want men who take action and are decisive. They don’t want to be the man in the relationship

Post: #9

Hypno, online game and daygame are played diffeently. You don't have a delete key to help with fuck-ups. I've been doing my number first thing for years now. Not always, depends on how the interaction goes and how much time I have. This works well with hired guns. If shes interested (in your looks basically) she will hit you up. I agree with op, its more successful than the old school gamers think.
Try it before you judge it.

Post: #10

Keep doing it as long as it's working. Stop when it's not.

By the way, I agree that you have an extremely high hit rate even if we're only talking about them getting back to you with a single text.

Post: #11

Like anything else, passing a girl your # is all about the context

I've personally experimented with it for years on and off but always with business cards, or taking her phone and punching my info and typing in a sexual/flirtatious moniker. Point is that same card would go to a prospective business client. The only thing different would be my "hook".

I would only use this technique if I was able to successfully jar the target from her everyday routine and create an impression. When I felt like she was longing for more...and the only way for her to get that fix would to be to contact me.

Otherwise why bother? Doesn't work all the time but what does in life?

*Never looked at it as not leading a chick etc, I viewed as a just the opposite. I'm giving her an opportunity to see check out my flow while at the same time checking her initial compliance level

Post: #12

Trust if a girl wants you she will do whatever it takes to get with you. I have no idea about online game and hope I will never know. Girls only want to be satisfied they don't care about how they get there as long as they get there needs met. I believe most guys on here needs to stop acting desperate with the abundance of women in comparison to men.

Post: #13

(07-10-2018 09:33 AM)Cobra Wrote:  Early in the game and girls text you first?

Excuse my disbelief but if true, it's great.

Again, I have a hard time believing it outright, especially with daygame. I've seen solid players in person and it's not easy to convert even "taken" numbers. I have also done a decent amount of daygame myself and understand the challenges.

Would you mind telling us more details on the approaches? We are definitely interested in what you are doing right.

So here is an example of how I have been running my daygame; this the exact format for two girls that texted me after I handed them my number. I go run the normal daygame using Roosh's daybang format. When she asks me a personal question, instead of running galnuc in the end, I just ask a qualifying question, like "What makes you different from other girls", if she qualifies herself, I instant date to a nearby coffee shop where we will just exchange a few personal details while doing some light kino. At about 20 mins; I give her my number.

Post: #14

I've given girls my number not too infrequently in certain contexts. Think of it as a compliance test.


If a girl actually does text you back (which happens more often than one would think), take it as a green light that there is some interest in meeting up. My original impetus for giving girls my number was that I had to think of a way to get the digits of girls in an environment where I couldn't make it obvious that I was gaming girls (certain kind of social event). Instead of having to pull out my cell phone, I would have the girl put my number in her phone instead.

I've also done this in some online apps to great success. However, in both instances I had already proposed some idea of meeting up with the girl, so it's important to have built some rapport and feel out if there is interest beforehand. About 80-90% of the girls whom I've given my number have responded back.

Post: #15

(07-10-2018 08:31 AM)Baphomet Wrote:  So 60% of the girls you give your number to, spontaneously text you. That seems like a suspiciously high rate of return for such a low energy effort. Especially since rather than being the hunter/leader you seek to become the hunted/follower.

Because women typically have numerous attention giving orbiters, it is quite rare that they initiate texts with a guy who hands them his phone number. Are these girls especially thirsty? (Maybe fat sweathogs?)

My first thought too for that rate of return haha. I can't really see that many advantages to it, especially since she has at least a few other thirsty guys blowing up her phone on the regular (if she's attractive) and she's unlikely to bother going out of her way to add a new one unless you really got her interested. I prefer taking charge and asking for her number so I can hit her up whenever I feel like - and that way you're not leaving the ball in her court.

Post: #16

I have done this with some success. You could look at it as showing confidence that they’ll message you. As if it happens all the time.

Post: #17

It’s not a show of confidence it’s a lack of confidence. You need to A/B test this and set your sights higher. I have already done so which is why I speak confidently. If you are 8 for 8 you must be asking women who are beneath you. In the hotel and apartment business, 100 percent occupancy means your rent is too low. How many bangs have you gotten?

Take control and show them you are a man.

Post: #18

'Put your number in my phone.'

Post: #19

Although giving her your number is a tester to see if she has High attraction for you while it can be a two edged sword. What if she doesn’t have a high attraction from start, it would be stupid to give her your number because she never be enthusiastic enough to call you first. One great tip is to let her call you when she placed her number in her phone so that both of you got each other numbers.

Post: #20

Im probably going to lay this out for you guys. Try not to view these woman as robot sex toys lol
If OP is just field testing this method than by all means.

If you've had a solid interaction (5min +) with a girl and you gave her your number im sure she'll text you back.
but if you didnt why even bother with her phone number unless you're just (Beta closing them for phone # counts)

so let me refresh that statement and turn it around.

If you've had a solid interaction with a girl 5 minutes or more. Why wouldn't you just establish the fact that you're interested in the girl
by asking for her number. You're still chasing but its still dominating and it makes the girl feel good to give her phone number
to someone whose particularly interested in her.

I mean come on guys, these are girls, they really wont text you unless you've left an impression worth texting back.
why leave that shit in her hands.

Post: #21

I gotta go with @simonafc. It is taking the situation out of your hands and putting it in hers. This will work if there is a high level of attraction, but if it's just medium or on the fence, she'll probably chicken out or forget about you when she receives the next text from a guy who did get her number. It's much easier for women to respond than to initiate. Having the number keeps you in control.

Giving the number is best done in things like online dating where you do not want to ask for her number or appear needy (or risk rejection). Numbers are basically useless even there.

Post: #22

(08-14-2018 08:55 PM)Dasein Wrote:  I gotta go with @simonafc. It is taking the situation out of your hands and putting it in hers. This will work if there is a high level of attraction, but if it's just medium or on the fence, she'll probably chicken out or forget about you when she receives the next text from a guy who did get her number. It's much easier for women to respond than to initiate. Having the number keeps you in control.

Giving the number is best done in things like online dating where you do not want to ask for her number or appear needy (or risk rejection). Numbers are basically useless even there.

There are times when giving the number is appropriate. You can feel the attraction is there and she directly ask for your number.
Sometimes you got to give and not be such a fk boy and play hard to get, so that way she can pursue you. This takes some level of calibration to be aware of it.

its all about calibrating. it's ok to break rules if you're socially aware of it.

Post: #23

(07-11-2018 10:09 AM)Hypno Wrote:  It’s not a show of confidence it’s a lack of confidence. You need to A/B test this and set your sights higher. I have already done so which is why I speak confidently. If you are 8 for 8 you must be asking women who are beneath you. In the hotel and apartment business, 100 percent occupancy means your rent is too low. How many bangs have you gotten?

Take control and show them you are a man.

This.

If I was truly trying to bang, I want to take control of the process from start to finish. That begins with expressing my interest and controlling our communication. If I gave a girl 7 or above my # and told her to call/text me, not only does she have control, you have placed yourself in the beta category.

Post: #24

(08-14-2018 04:00 PM)simonafc Wrote:  If you've had a solid interaction (5min +) with a girl and you gave her your number im sure she'll text you back.
but if you didnt why even bother with her phone number unless you're just (Beta closing them for phone # counts)

Spot on.

It's the difference between shallow banging random NPC women for sport (strict
notch counting) versus banging real women for true experiences on multiple levels (not just the physical).

When you know the difference and they know you know it, they will text YOU.

Nobody likes random SPAM. And do you ever remember the person who served you fast food? That's how fast sex is, satisfied but not, and you get more risk of health problems.

So yes, give your own number out instead at times, if anything it'll save your phone from being clogged up with hundreds of sometimes fake random numbers you can't even put a face to.