Post: #1

From what I've noticed, hippies want to go back to a more natural way of living, with smaller groups, tribes, etc. They also tend to distrust authority/big government. Also preaching non-violence, in contrast to the SJWs/antifa.

There's also the fact that the Left dominates "science" and hippy-ism rejects it.

Shouldn't the right wing have more of a "hippy" element? I've read it's K to be conformist, is that really that big a deal?

Post: #2

Rod Dreher’s ”Crunchy Cons”:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2005/05/c...od-dreher/

Post: #3

(07-11-2018 07:10 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  From what I've noticed, hippies want to go back to a more natural way of living, with smaller groups, tribes, etc. They also tend to distrust authority/big government. Also preaching non-violence, in contrast to the SJWs/antifa.

There's also the fact that the Left dominates "science" and hippy-ism rejects it.

Shouldn't the right wing have more of a "hippy" element? I've read it's K to be conformist, is that really that big a deal?

Because they do it without a shred of common sense, knowing they can fall back on their parents if they fail. Conservative people use reason and reality to shape their lives.

Post: #4

Hippies don't like some things about right-wingers which keeps them from identifying as such.

They feel that right wingers are:

-heartless (no sense of caring for fellow human beings)
-addicted to money (and willing to step on others in its pursuit)
-violators of female liberation (freedom to abort, freedom to have sex with anyone without guilt)
-war-mongering
-brainwashed by Christianity

Most hippies don't identify as left-wing either. They're usually apathetic or opposed to politics, or vote third party.

Post: #5

I'm only speculating here, but the beaded doorways, dreadlocks, and obnoxious smell of patchouli might be a slight turnoff for the average sane and rational conservative.

Post: #6

Hippies had a simple belief that ruled their vision of politics and that was Peace and Love. I don't see how that fits on any side of the aisle. It was a movement of human realization and the idea of working for "The Man" just didn't fit the worldview that they espoused because it was intrinsically connected to war, human exploitation/oppression, division etc.

The left and right nomenclature is simply a reference to a physical disposition within a room where people sit on one side or the other. It doesn't truly reflect ideas, beliefs, knowledge and experience.

There are different levels of participation in society and each level requires its specific outlook. I believe most people don't fall under a cover blanket of left or right when it comes to global, national, regional, local or personal issues. Not only that but many people fluctuate in life and change their minds according to the situation.

We can take Jim Bridenstein, as an example of this. He was a very vocal climate change denier until he became head of NASA where real scientists put some sense into him and he finally changed his mind, proclaiming in May this year: "I fully believe and know that the climate is changing. I also know that we humans beings are contributing to it in a major way. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. We’re putting it into the atmosphere in volumes that we haven’t seen, and that greenhouse gas is warming the planet. That is absolutely happening, and we are responsible for it."

I brought up this example because hippyism is very much directed towards ecology and generally doesn't reject science. My experience is that hippies just understand science as incomplete and limited because there are simply things that we don't fully understand yet. Take holistic medicine for example. Most cases I could refer to are anecdotal but even from my personal circles I could list people who cured diseases and got healthy through herbs, diet, supplements, energy healing, yoga, meditation, entheogenics etc.

The nitty-gritty of it is when we try to understand hippies and their economics. That is probably where you'll find the most discrepancies because there simply isn't a coherent homogenous view on that. Some are capitalists, some are so-called socialists and many find themselves lost when it comes to having any substantial idea of what economics even mean - like most people. The common ground usually is that corporations are evil and government is corrupt. That is definitely relatable but unfortunately isn't very profound especially since everyone has to make a living one way or another.

When it comes to tribalism, many have tried and experimented with communes and communities but the vast majority have failed because of lack of leadership and understanding of reality. An example that has worked and still is very much alive today is the Findhorn ecovillage in Scotland. They have managed to create an ecologically sustainable model where they miraculously produce 70% of their fresh food (in Scotland of all places!) through permaculture and other organic methods. They also have multiple community businesses and have floated an experimental currency. Most of these projects are succesful.

As far as I know, they don't have Muslim migrants there. So there's that.

Post: #7

Because hippies are not actually about natural living and freedom. They're about attention whoring.

Post: #8

Don't muddy the waters too much mixing culture/politics and personality, at least at the outset.

More orderly people are conservative. More conservatives are orderly.

Less orderly people tend to be liberals. Liberals tend to be less orderly.

(Understand though, even 'conservative' and 'liberal' are contextual.)

Now you can see how this would push politics. In the 60s, liberal "hippies" were going against the rigid orderliness that produced two world wars. The creation of superpowers requires orderliness. The Soviets had the gulags and starving tens of millions of people at a time (uber structured), Hitler had ravaged Europe, the U.S. had annihilated Japan's soul with two nukes. It all cost the world about 100 million people, mostly men. It's understandable there was a counter-culture movement.

Nowadays it's the 'conservatives' saying we want less order from a Federal perspective and more cultural order. I'm not sure if this has ever worked in the history of mankind, but I'm interested in how it plays out. Get rid of all these ridiculous Federal laws, but welcome cultural pressures and orderliness.
Shame the father who abandons his family.
Shame the woman who sluts around.
Shame people who cut in line. Shame someone for mouthing off to a cop.
Shame shame shame...but not to the point of complete ostracizing. Shame the behavior.

A great example to this is abortion. If this bad legislation is overturned, and abortion laws are left to states, and let's say Indiana makes it illegal to abort after 28 weeks...will this create social pressures to not abort children before 28 weeks. I suspect it will. I think it will give a little more freedom to express concern over all abortions, not just illegal ones.

Post: #9

(07-11-2018 07:10 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  From what I've noticed, hippies want to go back to a more natural way of living, with smaller groups, tribes, etc. They also tend to distrust authority/big government. Also preaching non-violence, in contrast to the SJWs/antifa.

There's also the fact that the Left dominates "science" and hippy-ism rejects it.

Shouldn't the right wing have more of a "hippy" element? I've read it's K to be conformist, is that really that big a deal?

I am old enough to have had babysitters and parents of friends who were hippies and most of them just wanted drugs, free sex, and no responsibility.

Not all, but you are assuming some sort of underlying philosophy which simply isn't the case for most people then and now. They were just doing what everyone else was doing without giving it much thought.

I remember on many occasions when I was, like 9 or something, looking at, say, my friend's mom and her boyfriend, and listening to how they saw the world, and thinking to myself: "These are the grown ups?"

It's all watered down by now, but that was the genesis of hippies today. Pure hedonistic freedom while feeling morally superior like you are somehow sticking it to the man by living in a bus and fucking runaways.

Post: #10

I think there are some parallels ... survalists for example.

Post: #11

(07-11-2018 07:10 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  From what I've noticed, hippies want to go back to a more natural way of living, with smaller groups, tribes, etc. They also tend to distrust authority/big government. Also preaching non-violence, in contrast to the SJWs/antifa.

There's also the fact that the Left dominates "science" and hippy-ism rejects it.

Shouldn't the right wing have more of a "hippy" element? I've read it's K to be conformist, is that really that big a deal?

The name for the right wing's "hippy" element - that is, a stronger belief in conservation, being closer to nature, and so on - was the Sierra Club. Formed 1892, one of America's most red-pill Presidents, Teddy Roosevelt, was one of its earliest patrons. Yosemite National Park exists because of the Sierra Club.

Unfortunately, it veered hard left in the sixties, same time the Left infiltrated America's culture and decided living life in a drug-induced haze while banging everything in sight was a better group to support environmental causes than the Right. It has been, in essence, completely compromised since at least the 1970s. Particularly hilarious was its stance on immigration: for a while it looked like Sierra would come out and oppose immigration on the basis it was going to overpopulate the US, but unsurpisingly that movement was drowned by any number of leftie activists joining it.

Insofar as hippies seem to be interested in "more natural" ways of living, it doesn't include doing much to actually earn it. For the most part, the movement borrowed bits of other cultures in standard narcissistic form rather than try to work out things within its own culture. Its views on sexuality and drugs are entirely wrong, and for the most part it wants things done in a more "natural" way without recognising or acknowledging that, for the most part, nature sucks.

Natural childbirth, for example: the real reason human lifespans have grown exponentially in the past hundred years or so is because of dumb averages weighted down by the fact stillbirth in the West is comparatively rare. That, in turn, is mainly because medical science might suck at a lot of things, but it doesn't suck at bringing healthy babies into the world. Hippies - and there are a lot of them particularly in "natural childbirth" or homebirth movements - don't see that or recognise it. The outcomes are, simply put, many times superior under medical supervision for a birth than under natural childbirth, homebirth, or the insanity of water birth. The law of large numbers on this one won out decades ago, except for these fuckwits who, as I said, want to Get Back To Nature without accepting that nature is brutally dangerous and entirely indifferent to human survival.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #12

Here's the real reason.

The hippie movement was created by the "deep state", same as other leftist movements.

https://stuartjeannebramhall.com/2017/01...-movement/

Post: #13

(07-11-2018 07:10 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  From what I've noticed, hippies want to go back to a more natural way of living, with smaller groups, tribes, etc. They also tend to distrust authority/big government. Also preaching non-violence, in contrast to the SJWs/antifa.

There's also the fact that the Left dominates "science" and hippy-ism rejects it.

Shouldn't the right wing have more of a "hippy" element? I've read it's K to be conformist, is that really that big a deal?

There are some similarities between hippies and preppers, I guess.

Hippies are only distrustful of government because at the time hippiedom became a thing, "government" was basically synonymous with the Vietnam War. To the extent you still find "question authority" rhetoric among modern hippies, they're simply parroting stuff they heard from the 60s. The left is the government now (Trump notwithstanding), why would they question authority?

Post: #14

(07-14-2018 05:05 PM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  There are some similarities between hippies and preppers, I guess.

Hippies are only distrustful of government because at the time hippiedom became a thing, "government" was basically synonymous with the Vietnam War. To the extent you still find "question authority" rhetoric among modern hippies, they're simply parroting stuff they heard from the 60s. The left is the government now (Trump notwithstanding), why would they question authority?

Conservatives tend not to be the type that goes against authority, even in a non-aggressive way. Think of the type of people who dutifully send their kids to public schools while complaining that the school is teaching them that homosexuality is normal. The mindset of recapturing institutions from the left rather than breaking away to create parallel ones was historically the dominant conservative attitude in the past 50 years.

Along more practical lines, I'd wager that those on the right tend to have more invested in mainstream society due to having achieved a higher degree of economic well being. For example, if they had a stable job in a red state with relatively cheap housing, they'd probably have a house and a car and the loans that go with them. They might also be married and have bought a house in a district with good public schools. It's harder to just walk away from that to live in some hippie enclave, compared to people with no long-term economic prospects.

Post: #15

(07-11-2018 07:10 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  From what I've noticed, hippies want to go back to a more natural way of living, with smaller groups, tribes, etc. They also tend to distrust authority/big government. Also preaching non-violence, in contrast to the SJWs/antifa.

There's also the fact that the Left dominates "science" and hippy-ism rejects it.

Shouldn't the right wing have more of a "hippy" element? I've read it's K to be conformist, is that really that big a deal?

The answer is much simpler and more fundamental than many, here, make it out to be. Read Thomas Sowell's important book "Conflict of Visions."

Leftists are utopian idealists and lack a vision of constraints or else actively reject constraints; the right debates what and where those constraints are, not that there aren't any! Or that they can ever be ultimately overcome.

Hippies are idealists and utopians (of one ilk or another), and thus are Leftists. Conservatives and most libertarians aren't.

Post: #16

Because the left wing is associated with liberalism and the right wing with conservatism. Conservatism tries to conserve existing civilization and culture, while liberalism tries to alter or destroy it.

Hippies are part of the counterculture movement that metastasized in the 1960s, so naturally they belong to the liberal left wing.

Post: #17

(07-12-2018 03:10 AM)gringoed Wrote:  Hippies don't like some things about right-wingers which keeps them from identifying as such.

They feel that right wingers are:

-heartless (no sense of caring for fellow human beings)
-addicted to money (and willing to step on others in its pursuit)
-violators of female liberation (freedom to abort, freedom to have sex with anyone without guilt)
-war-mongering
-brainwashed by Christianity

Most hippies don't identify as left-wing either. They're usually apathetic or opposed to politics, or vote third party.

'left' and 'right' are sometimes difficult concepts for Americans. You can apply both socially and economically.

In the US, socially the 'right' has won. In Europe, socially 'the left' has won. But it doesn't mean that when leftist social ideals are realized (abortus, gay rights etc.) that ALL thinking is leftist.

I see this a lot on the forum, "oh they have gay rights legalized, they must be socialists", etc.



I suspect Americans (and with that many on this forum) confuse progressivism and socialism. Progressivism and capitalism can perfectly coexist. However, my impression is that Americans think progressivists must be socialists, which is not always the case.

Also Americans like declinism (why is it that Americans discuss the decline of Europe in much more pages then the decline of their own country, the US?).

Post: #18

1. When conservatives foolishly believed the government’s viewpoint on the Vietnam War

2. When Nixon extended the draft to upper middle class boomer college students

3. When the CIA and the tax exempt foundations and NGOs used bourgeois liberalism and bitter Trotskyites to create the New Left out of a fear that the actual working class was warming to the Soviet Union which began to mellow (i.e. Gloria Steinem sent to spy on international youth events)

Let’s recall that hippies, like feminists come from the bourgeois elements of liberal capitalist countries.

Post: #19

(07-30-2018 04:27 PM)Lime Wrote:  

(07-12-2018 03:10 AM)gringoed Wrote:  Hippies don't like some things about right-wingers which keeps them from identifying as such.

They feel that right wingers are:

-heartless (no sense of caring for fellow human beings)
-addicted to money (and willing to step on others in its pursuit)
-violators of female liberation (freedom to abort, freedom to have sex with anyone without guilt)
-war-mongering
-brainwashed by Christianity

Most hippies don't identify as left-wing either. They're usually apathetic or opposed to politics, or vote third party.

'left' and 'right' are sometimes difficult concepts for Americans. You can apply both socially and economically.

In the US, socially the 'right' has won. In Europe, socially 'the left' has won. But it doesn't mean that when leftist social ideals are realized (abortus, gay rights etc.) that ALL thinking is leftist.

I see this a lot on the forum, "oh they have gay rights legalized, they must be socialists", etc.



I suspect Americans (and with that many on this forum) confuse progressivism and socialism. Progressivism and capitalism can perfectly coexist. However, my impression is that Americans think progressivists must be socialists, which is not always the case.

Also Americans like declinism (why is it that Americans discuss the decline of Europe in much more pages then the decline of their own country, the US?).

The word progressive has been co-opted here in the US. Same as the terms "Pro-Choice, Undocumented, etc

Google progressive dictionary and this comes up: "favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas."

Being progressive is to be for progress. The left and the jewish left love stealing words. Gay, now synonymous with homosexuals is a perfect example.

I think a lot of us on the forum are true progressives. People that want space exploration, high tech infrastructure in American cities, etc.