Post: #1

Hi,
It's my first post and I'd like to ask you about my situation.
I'm 20, red-pill guy from Poland, meeting and dating girls since I was 10, I was already in few serious LTR and the longest was for 2 years. I do my best to look and behave properly - I don't really think about it because I like fashion, reading books, writing poems, sports, travelling, DJing at clubs etc - generally I have a lot of hobbies and I'm quite good and recognized (don't want to show off - but maybe even famous) in my social circle and at my uni because of them. I can afford fancy stuff.
I'm very sociable and tolerant and I think I already have good game, because I can get many of the girls I'm interested in (and they are always 7 or higher) and bang them (fastest was 2nd date). Also, I'm already very cynical when it comes to girls' behaviour due to many bitter stories I've experienced from girls I have respected - including cheating, dinner-whoring, faking emotions, shit-testing, meeting me only for status and so on.
When it comes to my physique I'm tall but slim - I want to gain more weight (what is hard for me). But still I've never heard anything bad about it from girls.

My whole reception of girls has changed when I first met Roosh ideas and when I was treated very poorly by several girls who turned out to be low quality. Since then I was approaching girls every day, in various languages, getting numbers, dates and more and more often bangs.

I've seen a nice looking girl on Instagram who was living in the same flat with a girl I used to date (and who was the biggest contributor to my red-pillness due to her grand bitchiness). I've DM'ed her for her number and after that we had few dates. On first she was already at my apartment, on second we were making out and on fourth we were banging.

She's two years older than me, had lived in States for a year and she turned out to be cool. Since we've banged I was a bit aloof when texting to not show I care to much, but unfortunately she had started to shit test me by sending me a pic that she "chills out after exam at her friend's house" with few other people. Of course the friend was male and it just wasn't good in my opinion to send me this after we've been romantic and a bit lovey-dovey (but never beta). I used Heartiste technique of resisting shit tests (agree and amplify) and it worked fine. I told her to flirt with that guy and then she asked me if I'm jealous, but I did not respond to that. I can be quite emotional/romantic (in an artsy way, not pussy-like if you understand what I mean) and I was just before very important exam and she knew about it, what additionally seemed a bit fucked up for me.

She is from good family, but she likes to drink and party even till morning. But still she seems classy, friendly and well mannered when we meet together. She used to be a hostess for 2 days in a luxurious yacht resort (I'm sure it was nothing more than talking to foreign guests) and she told me she did that because she got good extra money for it (still she comes from well-off family). She told me she had only 1 boyfriend till now and she's not good at telling her feelings (she never told me she loves me or anything similar, but she gives me joy and she wants to make me feel good around her).
I considered her to be with me long term and maybe even wife one day as I sometimes feel burned out as a player and that it sometimes make me feel alone.

She told me once about her friend from class who is the 'year's leader' - he's fat, perceives himself as gay, but he still hits on girls in a very rude, abusive way after alcohol. She even slapped his face when he was hitting on her that way and he stopped doing it to her (but not other girls). I know him personally and during the day, when I only meet him, he seems ok.

I'm going to Brazil for student's exchange for a month (already read Roosh's Brazil Compendium and grasped some Portuguese ;)).

Before that I went on another holiday abroad with my parents and I've invited her, but she had work and she was not very into it as she didn't know them (btw they know my player's lifestyle, why I behave like that and even Roosh's site :D).
She asked me if I want to go with her on holidays after my exchange to "spend time together" etc. But after some time she told me that she also plans to go for a week-long holiday with her bitchy friend and abusive friend after it, not suggesting me to come (although I'm not hanging out anymore with the bitchy one).

Is that fine that she still likes that guy and plans to go on holiday with him, even if he's notorious for his creepy actions?

Is she still good-quality girl when she likes to party even till 6am?

She knows I'm into her but she also knows that I can next her easily and that I'm seeking for quality.

I won't be overthinking the whole situation but she seems good for me and I wanted to get advice from the community which views I do really respect.

Sorry for the length of the post but I wanted to make the whole story as clear as possible.

Thanks,
Cantucci

Post: #2

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  Hi,
It's my first post and I'd like to ask you about my situation.

More like first 20 posts. This was long so I read through this fast, but the gist of your situation sounds like this:

• slid in a cutie's DMs
• fucked on fourth date
• has only had one bf
• has classy style
• BUT has faggot friend who hits on girls
• BUT has slapped faggot friend for his advances before
• BUT also drinks a lot and parties
• YET she was lovey and sweet to you
• BUT she hangs out with the creepy faggot still
• AND is going on vacation with faggot friend
  

Before I get into your question, let me offer some kind observations about you and how you dealt with the situation so far.

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  I'm 20, red-pill guy from Poland, meeting and dating girls since I was 10 [. . .]

Interesting detail that gives me the impression you're naturally bad at knowing what to brag about. I'm only saying this because if you said something similar (or of the same general tone) as this to your girl, her ears might perk up and see that as a bad sign.

So, she might be investigating this red flag further by giving you unnecessary shit tests to see if you respond to them in a grounded, sober, self-aware way, or if you're trying to talk yourself up too much (betraying an impression of inauthentic confidence).

I know you aren't asking for advice about how to treat this girl, but this detail might be relevant to your question later on.

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  I've seen a nice looking girl on Instagram who was living in the same flat with a girl I used to date (and who was the biggest contributor to my red-pillness due to her grand bitchiness). I've DM'ed her for her number and after that we had few dates. On first she was already at my apartment, on second we were making out and on fourth we were banging.

Nice job with the DM. Let me say again, though, this is another example of what I was saying earlier--pointing out that you slept with a girl on the fourth date like that's pretty fast, in 2018 (even in Poland), is pretty disconnected. You even said that you can get the girls you want and bang them (fastest after the 2nd date). Small point, but that's no speed-running record, man.

Maybe the cultural difference is larger than what i remember, but I feel like even in Poland a guy with decent game could rack up at least one ONS after a decade of game.

I'm done with the analysis into what you've done, so let's move onto the girl and how she's acting/why she's acting that way/what that means.

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  She's two years older than me, had lived in States for a year and she turned out to be cool.

Beware of an Americanized Polish girl. I consider this a tiny red flag. So far, we know she has a nice personality (she's cool) but she's spent a year in America. That to me adds up to slightly more likely to her being a complete skank.

Let's dig deeper.

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  Since we've banged I was a bit aloof when texting to not show I care to much, but unfortunately she had started to shit test me by sending me a pic that she "chills out after exam at her friend's house" with few other people. Of course the friend was male and it just wasn't good in my opinion to send me this after we've been romantic and a bit lovey-dovey (but never beta).

This to me is not a shit test (at least assuming she wasn't in the pic hugging a guy or sitting on some dude's lap or some shit like that). She legitimately was letting you know what she was doing, and she was with a group of friends--not one guy alone.

Status so far: still slightly more likely a skank than not.

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  I used Heartiste technique of resisting shit tests (agree and amplify) and it worked fine. I told her to flirt with that guy and then she asked me if I'm jealous, but I did not respond to that.

Sounds like it didn't work fine. It actually sounds like you agreed and amplified to a shit test that didn't exist, making you look sensitive and bitter. If she shit tests you after this, it's probably your fault and not because she's trying to fuck with you. She's legitimately trying to feel out how authentic your frame is to your image.

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  I can be quite emotional/romantic (in an artsy way, not pussy-like if you understand what I mean)--

Sure.

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  --and I was just before very important exam and she knew about it, what additionally seemed a bit fucked up for me.

Now you're being straight up sensitive. Why would she think you'd be so hurt and disturbed by a pic of her hanging out with friends that she better not send you such a thing before your big exam? And maybe she didn't invite you because she knew you were getting ready for the exam?

Status: Still only slightly more likely a skank

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  She is from good family, but she likes to drink and party even till morning.

Status: Probably a skank.

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  But still she seems classy, friendly and well mannered when we meet together. She used to be a hostess for 2 days in a luxurious yacht resort (I'm sure it was nothing more than talking to foreign guests) and she told me she did that because she got good extra money for it (still she comes from well-off family).

I could be wrong, but on paper it sounds like she got exposed to some exotic foreign guys and ended up doing that job because she enjoyed the exposure (to foreign cock)--not because she needed to. That might not be the situation, but it weighs against a presumption of not being a skank.

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  She told me she had only 1 boyfriend till now--

But how many foreign cock has she been impaled by? These are the hardball questions you aren't asking.

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  --and she's not good at telling her feelings (she never told me she loves me or anything similar, but she gives me joy and she wants to make me feel good around her).

Okay, so instead of giving you affection, you just get joy. She isn't giving you joy, she's giving you nothing. You just feel joy. So what is she actually doing to show she likes you exactly?

Maybe she genuinely wants to make you feel good. This one is a wash. Status so far is still probably a skank.

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  I considered her to be with me long term and maybe even wife one day as I sometimes feel burned out as a player and that it sometimes make me feel alone.

How long have you actually known her?

I can get catching strong feelings in a short time. It happens to the best of us. But you're talking about marriage suddenly. I didn't catch the part about how long you've been at this with her. Sounded like it was only a few dates.

(07-22-2018 06:55 PM)Cantucci Wrote:  She told me once about her friend from class who is the 'year's leader' - he's fat, perceives himself as gay, but he still hits on girls in a very rude, abusive way after alcohol. [etc.]

I'm gonna stop there because it doesn't get much better.

In the end only you can really know if the girl is a low value skank because you are the one with the most exposure to her. We can only give opinions based off the facts you yourself pick up on and choose to put weight into.

But based on those facts, I would have to say she isn't wife material. Then again, her actions aren't that bad and these red flags I saw can easily be less dramatic than they initially seem.

She might be acting the way she is because you've been way too into the idea of an LTR with her and it isn't entirely clear if that is what she wants or expects. It also isn't even clear (from what you wrote) that you two are even dating.

You invited the girl to meet your parents but it seems you only went on a couple of dates and she couldn't "because of work." Maybe you freaked her out by going too hard too fast. And maybe she picked up on your sensitivity and started realizing she is higher quality than you are, based on how you actually perceive the situation.

I would say you should take your trip to Brazil, experience some flavor, smash all the girls you can, and find out for yourself what a low value girl looks like by seeing it first-hand. That's the only way you will ever be able to know if a girl is low-value. Asking guys on a forum won't really give you the answer. You need to develop that on your own.

And entertain the idea that you might be trying too hard to suppress feelings for this girl that end up bubbling up in ways that make your player frame look fake.

Post: #3

@Tex, thank you for your comprehensive response.

I want to respond to your observations.

1. I don't tell girls things like when I have started dating, how many of them I've fucked and basically I don't tell them anything like that. Just stated it here.

2. I am playing "game" for 1 year, and all the 9 years before I was rather beta, taking girls out for dinners, treating them well, hitting on them in the clubs etc. It gave me experience, gave bangs but was nothing compared to the "enlightment". Now my friends come to me to get some dating/gaming advice.

3. The photo I've mentioned wasn't a regular one with people having fun together what would be perfectly fine but something like her hand holding a glass, his silhouette and her friends' feet in the background. Maybe I'm just oversensitive. So I agree if she didn't make it on purpose then there was no shit test and I've failed.

4. When it comes to that hostess job, I also feel she wanted to be (for any reason) exposed to foreigners. She doesn't need to work. Moreover, every hostess/model I know is definitely not high quality.

5. Hardball question - I'm almost certain she had foreign cocks, but I didn't feel like I should investigate how many of them. But I guess some and if she wasn't having too much of them it doesn't bother me (or it should?).

6. She gives me joy by talking with me about various regular things, telling me how she likes me doing my hobby and how creative I am, texting me how am I doing and trying to learn these hobbies with me - things like that. And she likes to bang.

7. I have known her for half a year. We can't see each other very regularly due to our schedules but it's like once a week. She seemed "special" for me (yeah I know there are no special girls) and that's why I was thinking even about marriage one day. Of course these are only quite silly thoughts that come to my head but I rarely have them happening with other girls.

8. When it comes to the holidays I've invited her for, she was very into that idea and happy about it but she told me she had to figure it out because she has her work. Later she told me she was discussing it with her mother and she would find herself uncomfy meeting my family members for the first time during holidays (what is reasonable) and it may cause problems at her work. The idea of these holidays came up when we realized we can't meet together for a longer time during the summer (when I arrive from family vacations, she goes on family vacations).

I don't know whether I should get my booking done to go on holidays with her after Brazil (but still enjoying my Brazilian trip) or just leave it and don't really care about future prospects with her.

Of course I know I need to figure these things on my own but as my thinking process is hazed over, I'm still looking for your advice.

Post: #4

If the answer is she's great or not great what does it matter? If she's not what your mother or some guys on a forum say is a good girl, are you then going to stop banging her, cancel your plan to go to Brazil with her, stop chasing other chicks and put the game on hold?

Unless your thinking about making a change based upon the answer you come to it's really irrelevant.

Enjoy your time and your sex with this girl, Keep spinning plates, and don't think about it too much. Good luck to you.