Post: #26

(10-25-2018 11:34 AM)MANic Wrote:  Ah, liberty, only indispensable when it is my own.

Dont sweat it, brah.

It's only the adherents of one oppressive totalitarian ideology oppressing the adherents of another oppressive totalitarian ideology.

Loss of liberty levels are running at 0.0%

Post: #27

Muslims are allowed to drink alcohol and eat pork on occasions of extreme necessity, or to pretend being from another religion or not seeming too devout. It's all about deception.

Post: #28

(10-25-2018 01:40 PM)Pride male Wrote:  I totally support this.

For libertarians and pacifists in denial of Muslim Imperialist doctrines of Wolrd conquest, it is worth noting that China is not the USA. Nor is India, nor Myanmar or the Philipines. Yet all these non-American nations - none subject to the evils of "American imperialistic militarism" - are rejecting Islam, persecuting Muslims (as possible terror threats), walling off Muslims of other nations literally (India has fenced off Bangladesh) to prevent dangerous infiltration, or expulsion to keep their nation safe and culture from corruption (Myanmar).

In short, unlike the West, these nations understand that simply practicing non-aggression with Islam will not succeed in preserving their own civil security. There is one special reason for our naive hope that the world should be different if we are different towards them (eg, Sender, see PAGE 1): Christianity and Judaism are COVENENTIAL religions and they have shaped the West's expectations; alien civilizations find our expectations...alien! Not just simplistic and ridiculous (which they probably are).

The Left would put non-aggression aside and offer Obama apology tour again, on steroids!

Can they ever learn from billions of the world's rejection of their (the Left's) naive dogmas?

I bet they can't. Anyone wanna take my bet here, publicly?

Post: #29

I think China is pushing hard right now in order to buy themselves some time and also some allies within Islam itself. Not All Muslims Are Like That mentality.

They essentially re wrote the Koran in order to have something to give these people after the re education camps. These are hardly the gulags of the Soviets. The Chinese are deathly afraid of what is happening in Europe, and are fortunate enough to not be chained by white guilt.

China is not afraid of most Christians. But they are cracking down on the ultra progressive Christian faiths, the ones that preach open borders and no one is illegal. China might even be converting more Christians than any other country. I meet a lot of them, and their beliefs are very light on dogma, and more focused on the aspects of the bible that keep people together, safe and moving forward to a better society.

If China manages to force its Muslims to carry the Koran 2.0 off to the hinterlands and its successful, its a good thing. I see the long term. Being sent to a re education camp in a communist country is par for course. But if it means Islam becoming more like an easy going Christian neighbor, I am OK with that.

In the mean time, I really don't give a shit.

Post: #30

It's hard to parse what's really going on there, the article could be anti-chinese propaganda.

As well, there are foreign efforts to destabilize western China through Gulenist/Saudi-funded groups, in which case China has every right to crack down hard on those jihadis. There are thousands of Chinese Uighur fighters stationed in Syria today, and a pipeline to China, this is a serious threat to their security, so I don't blame them for cracking down.

Post: #31

China also needs a stable 'Stans in order to keep oil and gas flowing. If these regions go the way of Afghanistan, they are in deep trouble. Energy is the #1 priority of China right now, and will be for the next decades.

Those pipelines need to remain stable.

Post: #32

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Post: #33

I don't know where you get your information from but uyghurs are far from being peaceful citizens. Just google uyghur stabbings and you will see yourself. They are turkic and as we know, turkic people caused and are still causing the biggest problems for the European continent.

In 11th century, 10,000 of those fuckers arrived in Anatolia, which was predominantly Christian and white at the time, and after several decades conquered it. The rulers of Byzantine empire were as naive as some posters on this thread. Instead of helping their eastern Christian neighbors to deal with this cancer, they continued to undermine them. In 1071 they lost the first major battle against the turks. In 1453, Constantinople fell and the centuries long raping of Europeans began.

Turkey still holds the keys to Europe's gates and those "peaceful" rapefugees will continue to enrich European nations because Byzantine rulers fucked up in 11th century. The Chinese are smart enough to learn from the mistakes of Europeans and deal with Panturkism proactively.

Post: #34

It was the "forced alcohol and pork" in the headline that caught my eye but also the fact that it seems unlikely this wouldnt be a major headline if it were true

Now I know why



https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/24/isl...r-muslims/

Quote:Internment camps with up to a million prisoners. Empty neighborhoods. Students, musicians, athletes, and peaceful academics jailed. A massive high-tech surveillance state that monitors and judges every movement. The future of more than 10 million Uighurs, the members of China’s Turkic-speaking Muslim minority, is looking increasingly grim.

As the Chinese authorities continue a brutal crackdown in Xinjiang, the northwest region of China that’s home to the Uighur, Islam has been one of the main targets. Major mosques in the major cities of Kashgar and Urumqi now stand empty. Prisoners in the camps are told to renounce God and embrace the Chinese Communist Party. Prayers, religious education, and the Ramadan fast are increasingly restricted or banned. Even in the rest of China, Arabic text is being stripped from public buildings, and Islamophobia is being tacitly encouraged by party authorities.

But amid this state-backed campaign against their religious brethren, Muslim leaders and communities around the world stand silent. While the fate of the Palestinians stirs rage and resistance throughout the Islamic world, and millions stood up to condemn the persecution of the Rohingya, there’s been hardly a sound on behalf of the Uighur. No Muslim nation’s head of state has made a public statement in support of the Uighurs this decade. Politicians and many religious leaders who claim to speak for the faith are silent in the face of China’s political and economic power.

“One of our primary barriers has been a definite lack of attention from Muslim-majority states,” said Peter Irwin, a project manager at the World Uyghur Congress. This isn’t out of ignorance. “It is very well documented,” said Omer Kanat, the director of the Uyghur Human Rights Project. “The Muslim-majority countries governments know what’s happening in East Turkestan,” he said, using the Uighur term for the region.

Many Muslim governments have strengthened their relationship with China or even gone out of their way to support China’s persecution. Last summer, Egypt deported several ethnic Uighurs back to China, where they faced near-certain jail time and, potentially, death, to little protest. This followed similar moves by Malaysia and Pakistan in 2011.

This is in stark contrast to how these countries react to news of prejudice against Muslims by the West or, especially, Israel. Events in Gaza have sparked protests across the Islamic world, not only in the Middle East but also in more distant Bangladesh and Indonesia. If Egypt or Malaysia had deported Palestinians to Israeli prisons, the uproar would likely have been ferocious. If Egypt or Malaysia had deported Palestinians to Israeli prisons, the uproar would likely have been ferocious. But the brutal, and expressly anti-religious, persecution of Uighurs prompts no response, even as the campaign spreads to the Uighur diaspora worldwide.
Part of the answer is that money talks. China has become a key trade partner of every Muslim-majority nation. Many are members of the Chinese-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank or are participating in China’s Belt and Road Initiative. In South Asia, this means infrastructure investment. In Southeast Asia, China is a key market for commodities such as palm oil and coal. The Middle East benefits due to China’s position as the world’s top importer of oil and its rapidly increasing use of natural gas.

“Many states in the Middle East are becoming more economically dependent on China,” said Simone van Nieuwenhuizen, a Chinese-Middle East relations expert at the University of Technology Sydney. “China’s geoeconomic strategy has resulted in political influence.”

“I don’t think there is a direct fear of retribution or fear of pressure,” said Dawn Murphy, a China-Middle East relations expert at Princeton University. “I do think that the elite of these various countries are weighing their interests, and they are making a decision that continuing to have positive relations with China is more important than bringing up these human rights issues.”

Xinjiang’s immediate neighbors, such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Kazakhstan, face a particularly difficult situation. The ongoing persecution has caught up some of their own citizens, or their families. But with both close economic and geopolitical ties to China, these countries are highly reluctant to speak up. Pakistan sees China as a vital balancer against India, and their relationship, sometimes referred to as the “iron brotherhood,” goes back decades.



But there are subtler reasons the Uighur are ignored. They are on the edge of the Muslim world, in contrast to the Palestinian cause, which is directly connected to the fate of one of Islam’s holiest cities, Jerusalem. China has little place in the cultural imagination of Islam, in contrast with Muslims’ fraught relationship with the idea of a Jewish state. Even as China’s presence in the Middle East grows, it lacks the looming presence of the United States or Israel.

China’s success at cutting off access to Xinjiang is another reason. A regular dose of videos depicting Palestinian suffering hits YouTube every day. Interviews with tearful Rohingya stream on Al Jazeera and other global media outlets. Palestinian representatives and advocates speak and write in the media. But few images are emerging from Xinjiang due to restrictions on press access and the massive state censorship apparatus. That means the world sees little more than blurry satellite footage of the internment camps. Even Uighurs who have escaped are often only able to talk anonymously, not least because Chinese intelligence regularly threatens persecution of their families back home if they speak up.

It’s also much harder to stir up feelings about a new cause rather than an old, established one. For leaders who care more about their own popularity than human rights, it’s an easy call. “People tend to pay more attention to this kind of issue,” said Ahmad Farouk Musa, the director of the Malaysian nongovernmental organization Islamic Renaissance Front. “You gain popularity if you show you are anti-Zionism and if you are fighting for the Palestinians, as compared to the Rohingya or Uighurs.”

There are two places, however, where there may be hope for leadership. One is Southeast Asia, where Indonesia and Malaysia are two of the Islamic world’s few democracies. Both have relatively a free press, have an active civil society, and, importantly, are geographically close to China, giving the giant country more of a presence in the local public consciousness. Anti-Chinese feeling is strong in both nations, especially Indonesia.

Malaysia bears watching due to its recent historic election. China was a key campaign issue, due to its connection to the massive, multibillion-dollar 1MDB scandal. The new government is taking a strong position on China, with the new finance minister, Lim Guan Eng, pledging to review all of China’s trade deals with the country and suspending several existing projects.

“The Chinese had been very influential in giving loans to [former Prime Minister] Najib [Razak] to stay in power, so they felt compelled to accept whatever the Chinese wanted them to do,” Musa said. “I hope that the new government has shifted their policy and will become more sensitive towards this issue and about human rights.”

The first test of this will happen soon, as the Chinese government is demanding the deportation of 11 Uighur asylum-seekers from Malaysia. The new government, led by Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, may not be as willing to bend to China’s demands as the previous one.

The other place to watch is Turkey, which has a strong cultural connection to the Turkic-speaking Uighurs and is home to the largest Uighur exile community. In 2009, when riots broke out in Urumqi, only Turkey’s leader, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, spoke out. Turkey has also seen the only widespread protests against China’s treatment of Uighurs, most recently in 2015.

“Turkey is the only major country whose leadership as well as the public is widely aware of the Uighur persecution in East Turkestan,” said Alip Erkin , a Uighur activist currently living aboard.

But Turkey’s growing authoritarianism has caused it to look toward China as a possible ally against the West. Since Turkey’s Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu visited China last year and said his country would eliminate “anti-China media reports,” there has been less attention given to the Uighur cause, including on the streets. Still, many Uighurs hold out hope.

“Many Uighurs think Turkey can be the ultimate defender of the Uighur cause when the time is right,” Erkin said.

While the signs of hope are there for the Uighur cause, they are small and localized. China’s profile is growing, and more Muslim-majority nations are becoming dependent on its economic power—earlier this month, $23 billion in loans was promised to Arab states. The chances of a unified Muslim response to the Uighur human rights crisis are getting slimmer and slimmer.

Post: #35

The Rohingya crisis is mostly a globalist ploy used to undermine China's position in Burma, a very strategic country that provides China with access to the Indian Ocean and vital resources. The Rohingya are not endemic to Burma, there are jihadi agitators in their midst sponsored by globalists, used to make the Burmese nationalists look bad.

It looks like there are a lot of similarities between the Rohingya and the Uighurs...

Post: #36

Throw some chicks in from Chengdu to game and I'm in!

"Whatever you do, Chinese Communist-In-Name-Only-Party, Don’t throw me into the pork, booze, and poosy patch!!!”

Post: #37

Finally, Muslims getting a taste of their own medicine.

Post: #38

People are getting a little loose about throwing around the B word. These practices are pretty similar to how the Chinese treat people doing those Falun Gong exercises in the park, and are being met with similar indifference by most. Just because people aren't bowing and scraping and giving special victim status to Muslims on this issue, people think they're bigots. No that's simple equality.

Post: #39

(10-25-2018 08:52 PM)Laner Wrote:  If China manages to force its Muslims to carry the Koran 2.0 off to the hinterlands and its successful, its a good thing. I see the long term. Being sent to a re education camp in a communist country is par for course. But if it means Islam becoming more like an easy going Christian neighbor, I am OK with that.

The reason they got into this mess and other parts of Asia with them is due to the Imams from the Gulf states and Pakistan flying there and teaching them about Islam.

In the early 2000s I saw pictures of Pakistani Imams getting put on trial in Indonesia or some other Asian country for being involved in "radical" Islam.

Post: #40

After the great European race wars, a final accord was reached. The new Trumpian Empire controlled North and South America and Europe. China held control of Asia (except Japan and Australia which were in Alliance with the Trump Empire), the Middle East and Africa.

Space was beginning to be colonized by a Sino-Caucasian hybrid . . .

Post: #41

(10-26-2018 11:48 AM)eljeffster Wrote:  After the great European race wars, a final accord was reached. The new Trumpian Empire controlled North and South America and Europe. China held control of Asia (except Japan and Australia which were in Alliance with the Trump Empire), the Middle East and Africa.

Australia is in a soft war with China, it's a highly sensitive topic in many levels of government and I'm pretty sure the media has a blackout on it.

Apart from buying out large chunks of land, continuously infiltrating and hacking government institutions, banking and infrastructure companies, the Chinese are also using a population replacement strategy which anyone from OZ will confirm is next level.

So that's why I bolded part of your quote... it's unrealistic.

Post: #42

Not much Trump can do to protect Australian sovereignty when we're selling the whole fucking country willingly.

Post: #43

The Chinese have developed an interesting alternative to liberal democracy that might actually work. Unlike the elites of America, the Chinese ruling class actually cares about its country and they aren't shy about crushing degeneracy. They also have a system to vet and put the most experienced people in power. I would rather have Xi as president than Hillary Clinton. With over a billion people, they could overtake the US in a few decades, and have nuclear weapons so can't be bullied by the Western elites. Unfortunately, the degenerate Western elites will not give up power easily and will probably provoke a war.

Post: #44

(10-26-2018 10:54 PM)Sherman Wrote:  The Chinese have developed an interesting alternative to liberal democracy that might actually work. Unlike the elites of America, the Chinese ruling class actually cares about its country and they aren't shy about crushing degeneracy. They also have a system to vet and put the most experienced people in power. I would rather have Xi as president than Hillary Clinton. With over a billion people, they could overtake the US in a few decades, and have nuclear weapons so can't be bullied by the Western elites. Unfortunately, the degenerate Western elites will not give up power easily and will probably provoke a war.

War or they'll figure out a way to infiltrate Chinese elites. Them looking out for their people isn't set in stone, many our leaders did the same for a long time, and they found ways to get to them. Some of those sophisticated blackmail rings are hard to beat, if they figure out a way to apply them to China on a broad scale, it will be very dangerous.

Post: #45

(10-26-2018 06:28 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 11:48 AM)eljeffster Wrote:  After the great European race wars, a final accord was reached. The new Trumpian Empire controlled North and South America and Europe. China held control of Asia (except Japan and Australia which were in Alliance with the Trump Empire), the Middle East and Africa.

Australia is in a soft war with China, it's a highly sensitive topic in many levels of government and I'm pretty sure the media has a blackout on it.

Apart from buying out large chunks of land, continuously infiltrating and hacking government institutions, banking and infrastructure companies, the Chinese are also using a population replacement strategy which anyone from OZ will confirm is next level.

So that's why I bolded part of your quote... it's unrealistic.

So Australias on the way to being the next Hong Kong? Hope you guys get a good deal out of it.

Post: #46

(10-26-2018 06:28 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 11:48 AM)eljeffster Wrote:  After the great European race wars, a final accord was reached. The new Trumpian Empire controlled North and South America and Europe. China held control of Asia (except Japan and Australia which were in Alliance with the Trump Empire), the Middle East and Africa.

Australia is in a soft war with China, it's a highly sensitive topic in many levels of government and I'm pretty sure the media has a blackout on it.

Apart from buying out large chunks of land, continuously infiltrating and hacking government institutions, banking and infrastructure companies, the Chinese are also using a population replacement strategy which anyone from OZ will confirm is next level.

So that's why I bolded part of your quote... it's unrealistic.

So Australias on the way to being the next Hong Kong? Hope you guys get a good deal out of it.

Post: #47

(10-26-2018 11:11 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 06:28 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 11:48 AM)eljeffster Wrote:  After the great European race wars, a final accord was reached. The new Trumpian Empire controlled North and South America and Europe. China held control of Asia (except Japan and Australia which were in Alliance with the Trump Empire), the Middle East and Africa.

Australia is in a soft war with China, it's a highly sensitive topic in many levels of government and I'm pretty sure the media has a blackout on it.

Apart from buying out large chunks of land, continuously infiltrating and hacking government institutions, banking and infrastructure companies, the Chinese are also using a population replacement strategy which anyone from OZ will confirm is next level.

So that's why I bolded part of your quote... it's unrealistic.

So Australias on the way to being the next Hong Kong? Hope you guys get a good deal out of it.

Not a chance with our current "leadership"

Post: #48

^Just like the end of the corrupt Republic and the beginning ofthe Caesars, I think the west will or must return to one man rule. The democratic experiment has come to an end, I think.

Post: #49

Does anyone else watch this youtube channel?

Post: #50

Did they dies?