Post: #1

If this is true then it looks like the Chinese have decided to be proactive

http://articlewiz.co.uk/muslims-forced-t...te-claims/

Excerpt

Quote:Muslims were detained for re-education by China‘s government and made to eat pork and drink alcohol, according to a former internment camp inmate.

Omir Bekali, one among perhaps a million people reportedly arrested and held in mass re-education camps, said he was detained without trial or access to a lawyer and forced to disavow his beliefs while praising the Communist Party.

Mr Bekali, a Kazakh citizen, said he contemplated suicide after 20 days in the facility – which itself followed seven months in a prison.

Since spring last year authorities in Xinjiang region have confined tens or even hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the camps, including some foreign nationals. One estimate put the figure at a million or more.

A US commission called it the “the largest mass incarceration of a minority population in the world today” while a leading historian called it “cultural cleansing”. reports The Independent.

The Independent contacted the Chinese foreign ministry for comment.

Asked to comment on the camps by the Associated Press, the ministry said it “had not heard” of the situation. When asked why non-Chinese had been detained, it said the Chinese government protected the rights of foreigners in China and that they should also be law abiding. Chinese officials in Xinjiang did not respond to requests for comment.

When Mr Bekali refused to follow orders each day in the camp, he was forced to stand at a wall for five hours at a time. A week later, he was sent to solitary confinement, where he was deprived of food for 24 hours, he claimed. After 20 days in the heavily guarded camp, he wanted to kill himself.

“The psychological pressure is enormous, when you have to criticise yourself, denounce your thinking – your own ethnic group,” said Mr Bekali, who broke down in tears as he described the camp. “I still think about it every night, until the sun rises. I can’t sleep. The thoughts are with me all the time.”

The detention campaign has swept across Xinjiang, a territory half the area of India.

Chinese officials have largely avoided comment on the camps, but some are quoted in state media as saying that ideological changes are needed to fight separatism and Islamic extremism. Radical Muslim Uighurs have killed hundreds in recent years, and China considers the region a threat to peace in a country where the majority is Han Chinese.

The internment programme aims to rewire the political thinking of detainees, erase their Islamic beliefs and reshape their very identities. The camps have expanded rapidly over the past year, with almost no judicial process or legal paperwork. Detainees who most vigorously criticise the people and things they love are rewarded, and those who refuse to do so are punished with solitary confinement, beatings and food deprivation.

Post: #2

Diddi mau!

Eat pig

Mau Mau!

Pig pig!

Post: #3

"forced to drink alcohol and eat pork..."

So, how do we make reservations?

Post: #4

Communists actually being fun for once, I wanna eat bacon and chug beer!

Post: #5

Ah, liberty, only indispensable when it is my own.

Post: #6

How convenient that this article pops up right when U.S. is starting to ramp up it's conflict with China. Nothing suspicious there at all.

Post: #7

Each Uighur family gets its own live-in Chinese Communist to show them the light of Xi Jinping

http://www.chinafile.com/reporting-opini...s-xinjiang

Post: #8

Doesn't seem like a particularly good way to get people to disavow an ideology. The thing about those foodstuff prohibitions often found in faiths is they tap into powerful brain mechanisms related to 'Disgust' which become hardwired from an evolutionary psychology perspective. A method like this would probably just strengthen the belief system by creating a persecutory complex. Then it would drive it underground.

Interestingly, there's actually an Islamic concept called Taqiya which permits Muslims to dissimulate their beliefs (ie. pretend not to be muslims) when coerced or put in fear of thier lives.

Wiki link in the unlikely event that anyones interested: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

Post: #9

To me the most significant point is that the Chinese government has acknowledged the ideology as a problem and taken extreme, by current global standards, policy measures.

This isn't a flash in the pan exercise for them. Theyre probably not as concerened with current muzzies as much as curtailing future ones. Theyre going to "re-educate" Islam into extinction on their soil within 2-3 generations... if this is true,

Post: #10

I totally support this.

Post: #11

While I enjoy watching Muslims made to eat pork, the Chinese are also disbanding Christian churches in the big cities as well.

Going full secular didn't go well in the USSR, I expect the same in Chicom land.

Post: #12

The left are going to be kicking off about this. And rightly so. It's bigotry, xenophobic and Islamophobic. But wait, Drumpf has tiny hands. Hahaha.

Post: #13

This has less to do with Islamic ideology as it has to do with a threat to Chinese uniformity and absolute conformity to the marxist status quo (something I thought was despised here). Uyghurs are relatively passive (a sufi breed and one of the furthest things from "fundamentalists") but the Chinese have long felt threatened by mild diversity. It's a bit of a chicken or the egg scenario (with sentiments in re the old independent Uyghur state traditionally smacking of ambivalence) but Chinese aggressive tact against a benign community has exacerbated a negligible problem.

I hate to drop the "b" word but a lot people on this site have become crude bigots with little to no traces of humanity.

Post: #14

This is too good to read.

Post: #15

No one should be forced to drink alcohol. Not a good look for China.

Post: #16

(10-25-2018 01:48 PM)MANic Wrote:  This has less to do with Islamic ideology as it has to do with a threat to Chinese uniformity and absolute conformity to the marxist status quo (something I thought was despised here). Uyghurs are relatively passive (a sufi breed and one of the furthest things from "fundamentalists") but the Chinese have long felt threatened by mild diversity. It's a bit of a chicken or the egg scenario (with sentiments in re the old independent Uyghur state traditionally smacking of ambivalence) but Chinese aggressive tact against a benign community has exacerbated a negligible problem.

MANic is right.

Look at the neighbouring Muslims in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.

People drink, study and date. Incest is unheard of and almost no honour killings.

It's crazy to assume a free East Turkmenistan (Xinjiang) would be closer to Saudi Arabia then them.

Xi's secular totalitarianism is far worse, even if we discount the genocide angle.

Post: #17

(10-25-2018 01:25 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  To me the most significant point is that the Chinese government has acknowledged the ideology as a problem and taken extreme, by current global standards, policy measures.

This isn't a flash in the pan exercise for them. Theyre probably not as concerened with current muzzies as much as curtailing future ones. Theyre going to "re-educate" Islam into extinction on their soil within 2-3 generations... if this is true,

Personally, I'm a firm believer in NAMALT (not all Muslims are like that). Also, I'm not particularly bothered by multiculturalism per se. It's just the way I see things. I'm a non-white from a family that originates from a culture that's muslim (just like Roosh himself) living in London. I'm one of those 'assimilated' types, I and my family have contributed to our society and have probably paid significantly more taxes than the average in England. I'm also an agnostic.

I know other people have different opinions and I'm cool with that. Freedom of speech and all that...

On topic: I'm not convinced that eliminating Islam from your soil is a particularly wise idea.

Firstly, to eliminate any group as large as Muslims means you have to evoke some totalitarian mentality. But once you have totalitarianism it won't just stop with eliminating one group. In fact, anyone posting intellectual anti-muslim posts on this forum would very likely be under threat in a totalitarian regime. Even a regime they support. Because totalitarianism doesn't like free thinkers. This is a case of be careful what you wish for.

Secondly, ISIS hates multiculturalism too. The very essence, the root and soul, of those ideologies is to create polarity.

If every western country deported all Muslims there's a good chance we would see a nuclear war. Coz... Pakistan.

The only good solution that I can think of is if Islam was to undergo some kind of renaissance process similar to that which Christianity underwent. Despite what some people say, I think this is possible ideologically. The chances are slim to none, however.

Post: #18

(10-25-2018 02:45 PM)Sender Wrote:  The only good solution that I can think of is if Islam was to undergo some kind of renaissance process similar to that which Christianity underwent. Despite what some people say, I think this is possible ideologically. The chances are slim to none, however.

Yes the Christian Reformation was a fine thing, but it was a process which killed 8 million Europeans during the Thirty Years War, one of the most destructive conflicts in history. Something tells me that a similar Islamic Reformation will not be a bloodless one.

Post: #19

(10-25-2018 12:45 PM)Sender Wrote:  Doesn't seem like a particularly good way to get people to disavow an ideology. The thing about those foodstuff prohibitions often found in faiths is they tap into powerful brain mechanisms related to 'Disgust' which become hardwired from an evolutionary psychology perspective. A method like this would probably just strengthen the belief system by creating a persecutory complex. Then it would drive it underground.

Interestingly, there's actually an Islamic concept called Taqiya which permits Muslims to dissimulate their beliefs (ie. pretend not to be muslims) when coerced or put in fear of thier lives.

Wiki link in the unlikely event that anyones interested: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

Agreed on the counter-effectiveness of the diet stuff. The denunciation stuff is something they do to their own people and it's (according to this guy and many other) very effective. Think of the power of a Catholic confession or Scientology evaluation, and put it on steroids. When you're trying to mind control mass numbers of people, it's rarely effective to try and get creative (pork) you've got a library involving billions of people and thousands of years, or rituals with a proven track record of mind control on small and mass levels, you're almost always better of adopting one of them and modifying ot for your need. People that for L Ron Hubbard was a second generation student of Aleister Crowley via the OTO.

Post: #20

(10-25-2018 01:48 PM)MANic Wrote:  This has less to do with Islamic ideology as it has to do with a threat to Chinese uniformity and absolute conformity to the marxist status quo (something I thought was despised here). Uyghurs are relatively passive (a sufi breed and one of the furthest things from "fundamentalists") but the Chinese have long felt threatened by mild diversity. It's a bit of a chicken or the egg scenario (with sentiments in re the old independent Uyghur state traditionally smacking of ambivalence) but Chinese aggressive tact against a benign community has exacerbated a negligible problem.

I hate to drop the "b" word but a lot people on this site have become crude bigots with little to no traces of humanity.

Quote:"Radical Muslim Uighurs have killed hundreds in recent years, and China considers the region a threat to peace in a country where the majority is Han Chinese."

I might agree with you if the above quote from the article is false. (Which I acknowledge might be)

Im pretty much of the "live and let live" camp and have little to say when it comes to others beliefs (Im too caught up in enjoying my life to spend much energy conte,plating judgement on how others live theirs).

But at the moment, as far as I know, the only "religious" ideology whose orthodoxy mandates the conversion or death of believers of any other ideology is Islam.

I dont care what color their skin is. I do care if they run over, shoot, or blow up innocent people.

To say Islamic extremism is a problem is not bigotry.

Post: #21

This is not a good thing at all and it's surprisingly ignorant of so many to blindly support what the Chinese government is doing. This has nothing to do with rejecting an offensive ideology and more to do with cultural genocide in the name of assimilation.

Are the same cheerleaders of this program happy about what happened to the Tibetans?

If we were talking about compelling the proper assimilation of Muslims who immigrated into the west, then I'd be all ears. If we were talking about expelling troublesome and noncoorperative Muslims and their family, I would be all about it.

Here we are talking about passive Muslims in their ancestral homeland getting dissappeared on an industrial scale and sent to re-education camps. Google is passively helping and taking notes. This is not great Catholic Church driven Christian conquest (something I'd also support), this is the blue print for you and your kids getting sent off for not obeying the government dogma, which in our case will be feminism, sexual dystopia, and ethnic erasure.

That said, since I think OP put this out more for the lullz, personally speaking I have to say free pork and beer would be nice for a limited time.

Post: #22

I'll pork them while they are eating pork.

Re education game.

Post: #23

This.is.fucking.awesome.

Guarantee they liked it. I wonder if they put on some good music or made them play horseshoes.

^^ Re-education game could really work also. I think the prophet was into re education game.

Post: #24

All I need is for Western governments to force christians to have unwedded sex in reeducation camps and I will find Jesus.

Post: #25

"During the Soviet era, Muslim institutions survived only in areas where Kazakhs significantly outnumbered non-Muslims due to everyday Muslim practices.[12] In an attempt to conform Kazakhs into Communist ideologies, gender relations and other aspects of the Kazakh culture were key targets of social change.[9]"

GENDER RELATIONS HEY? "social CHANGE" huh? HMMMMMmmmm........ a common theme... a COMMIE theme even.

The perfect way to deconstruct a society for the raping.