Post: #1

Im leaving the company, i was informed im not getting my contract extended.

After i leave do i report my superior for all her gossip and badmouthing? Tbh i really found it disturbing, especially for her 'this doesn't leave this office' type of horseshit then i hear shes badmouthing me over petty petty details - WTFFF its 8 hrs shift of course there will be time of the day where there's nothing to do.
Anyway this cunt went over the line im really thinking about taking it up to the board (i worked mid management position) and rat her for all the comments and remarks she made about people in the company (some higher up then her) without trying to sound like "disgruntled" employee that can be easily discredited?
I cant see what positive would i get out of this, but i would get minor satisfaction to just fuck their superficially good relationships a bit short term. Long term i would probably fucked myself, i have no idea how far her influence reaches (she had been in the hr 15+ years)

Is there a combo of grace+leaving or will i be "disgruntled" no matter what i say/do?

I should add that i was visibly disturbed and didnt take the news well, but i didnt lash out or anything. I tried to kept it cool but i just couldnt because i really enjoyed the job and wanted to stay.

Post: #2

Post: #3

In the situation you describe, you would bring up these issues and problems as part of your exit interview, in a profession manner; i.e. point out the problems she is creating is not how a professional should act or the problems she cause.

Now, since you mention she is HR, and part of the exit interview process, I would recommend you submit a report to the board AFTER you leave.

The other alternative is to ask her about the problems now, but I do not seem to see what good that would do.

One thing to make sure of is that it will not effect you after you leave the company; if it will then you may want to consider 'just forgetting about it' and be happy to go on to a new job.

Post: #4

I just wouldn't. There's no value in this for you because you're not there to win any prizes. You ain't the shop steward, and the truth is that you probably won't do her any harm because she's there to patch shit up and you aren't.

When I left my last position, my direct report asked why. She already knew why. I started to be forthright, then realized I was deviating from my own script and stopped. The direct report had already shared some information with the problem individual behind my back and I'd given up on her judgment.

The CEO repeatedly emphasized he wants me back someday. I still didn't bother to explain why I was leaving. He is at least somewhat aware of what the problem was and would probably have been sympathetic, but I'd already committed to my course and would rather go out with a clean reputation instead of pointing fingers and stirring up drama. The problem individual is no longer my problem.

I would only be direct about it if I was either directly asked by the CEO or if it actually came down to negotiating with that CEO for a new position: "It's contingent on not answering to this person, and I'll explain why if you need me to, but you're a savvy guy and I'll bet you don't."

Post: #5

It's like lashing out at a girl that broke up with you because she's not feeling it.

It's pointless, she's made her decision and moved on.

You're angry because you got dumped, that's fine, but lashing out and causing scene and causing more shit isn't going to help.

What if the new place you're being hired references this company you're leaving? Not a good look.


The faster you move on from this the better.

Post: #6

No man, do not do it.

It's not going to benefit you, and may harm you if someone rings for a reference or word gets around your network or industry. You would be surprised how often this happens, and how small the world is.

Let your work, actions and values be your resume.

Post: #7

Aight, i just had to hear other peoples opinion.
After some thought and reading that gervais principle and powertalk etc. If you are not sociopath (i fit in the "clueless" or moreso "losers" category) within organization "powertalk" is just loud barking - useless.
kaotic summed up how i feel.
Moving on, thanks bros.

Post: #8

Do places ever actually call for references to an old company? I feel like that's the biggest bullshit everyone believes in. I've had several people ask to use me as reference and I never got a call..

Post: #9

I have a fairly responsible job over in the UK, which I started earlier in the year. Both references from previous bosses were chased, with one contacting me to confirm certain details before he wrote the reference.

Post: #10

(11-18-2018 10:41 AM)oilbreh Wrote:  Do places ever actually call for references to an old company? I feel like that's the biggest bullshit everyone believes in. I've had several people ask to use me as reference and I never got a call..

Be interested to know what you do?

I've had both references called on every job I've interviewed for. I've also had 4 calls from people I was a reference for which as far as I know is all 4 jobs that they'd interviewed for.

Post: #11

LOL Whenever I start a new Contract I always ask what do I need to do to get a good reference from you for my next contract.

And I keep a few good friends with their own side businesses in the industry I do serious favors for with the explicit understanding that they will give me excellent references when needed and most importantly I do the same for them.

When you need them great references are worth their weight in gold. Literally.

Proper references management is the only reason I keep a LinkedIn account.

Oh NEVER give out references to PHOCKING recruiters - (Never fill out their stupid lists - Power Guys do not fill out lists - are known in their industry and when openings happen are on the hiring Exec's short list) - the PHOCKING Recruiters will call your references for recruiting contracts and bug the shite out of them - actually pissed off some of my better references in my early career.

Post: #12

My advice would be to take a step back and assess what material benefits can be gained prior to your departure while dropping any of the ego-driven stuff.

For example, back in the day when I was doing grunt work and I knew I'd be leaving I'd load up on overtime (real or imagined) to ensure that my last paycheck would stretch a little further. Also, network and make contacts with people whom you might want to keep in touch with.

As for the evil bitch stuff, they probably already know about it and don't care. That's just how it is.

Post: #13

(11-18-2018 02:33 PM)Alpha_Romeo Wrote:  My advice would be to take a step back and assess what material benefits can be gained prior to your departure while dropping any of the ego-driven stuff.

For example, back in the day when I was doing grunt work and I knew I'd be leaving I'd load up on overtime (real or imagined) to ensure that my last paycheck would stretch a little further. Also, network and make contacts with people whom you might want to keep in touch with.

As for the evil bitch stuff, they probably already know about it and don't care. That's just how it is.

OBTW I always saved up max vacation time usually 4 weeks or more before use it or lose it rules kicked in - 30 days and when I would change a job I would take 2 to 3 weeks vacation, really relax for 1 or two weeks and start the new job overlapping the last week and when the first paycheck on the new job would kick in I would already have my vacation pay in my account and only had to wait for my last week of vacation time reimbursement which by federal and state law they must pay you.

My email to my Director and Team read after Friday PM of my last day of (Vacation) Pay:

Please be advised that I will no longer be working at XYZ Corp. I truly enjoyed the challenges and Growth Opportunities at XYZ Corp., and wish everyone the best in their future careers.

Period - since it is almost always employment at will in the majority of USA jobs unless you sign an acting or Sports contract - You OWE THEM NO NOTICE and NO REASON why you are moving on.

NEVER TELL THEM WHERE YOU ARE GOING as many MuntsNCuntz will try to bad mouth you in your new situation... I even go so far as to remove my Current Company from my LinkedIn account and disable it for 6 months or so until I know things are going well with the new Company then quietly reenable my LinkedIn in case a Recruiter comes up with a new Offer I can not afford to refuse.

This is called Machiavelli Career Management - you do not hurt or phock with anyone and yet you most importantly discreetly manage your career so no one can phock with you!

Success is Secrecy and Secrecy is Success.

Keep your plans as dark and impenetrable as night and when you move - move like Lighting.

Post: #14

(11-18-2018 10:41 AM)oilbreh Wrote:  Do places ever actually call for references to an old company? I feel like that's the biggest bullshit everyone believes in. I've had several people ask to use me as reference and I never got a call..

We were on boarding about 40-50 new employees every month.
Consider that number times 4 or times 7 (number of shortlisted candidates that actually get the job).
Imagine emails and calls and feedback. It would be insane to check up on 250 people each month. However! Sometimes info leaks that isn't to candidates advantage (usually some rumors or 1st impression - this can be such triviality it's insane - i should write a separate chapter for this alone) and hr doesnt want person x, but because person y is higher up and is going to work daily with person x that higher up can override easily.

Even in later rounds hr rarely has time to actually background check the candidate. If your story fits+linkdin+persuasive interview you are good to go. Aint nobody got time for dat to call up 1 or 2 employers from your cv.

If you interview on recommendation then nobody bothers because some (usually higher up) person vouches for you anyway.
Hope this helps, if anyone has any more questions, ill answer.

Post: #15

(11-18-2018 10:41 AM)oilbreh Wrote:  Do places ever actually call for references to an old company? I feel like that's the biggest bullshit everyone believes in. I've had several people ask to use me as reference and I never got a call..

I get reference checking calls all the time for my guys.

It's a HR checklist thing, part of their due diligence process.

You don't want to be that HR chick that "didn't even reference check him!!!"

I never call for an employee reference check however, because I only hire guys I already know, and trust, and have seen in action.

Post: #16

(11-15-2018 03:34 PM)master Wrote:  Im leaving the company, i was informed im not getting my contract extended.

After i leave do i report my superior for all her gossip and badmouthing? Tbh i really found it disturbing, especially for her 'this doesn't leave this office' type of horseshit then i hear shes badmouthing me over petty petty details - WTFFF its 8 hrs shift of course there will be time of the day where there's nothing to do.
Anyway this cunt went over the line im really thinking about taking it up to the board (i worked mid management position) and rat her for all the comments and remarks she made about people in the company (some higher up then her) without trying to sound like "disgruntled" employee that can be easily discredited?
I cant see what positive would i get out of this, but i would get minor satisfaction to just fuck their superficially good relationships a bit short term. Long term i would probably fucked myself, i have no idea how far her influence reaches (she had been in the hr 15+ years)

Is there a combo of grace+leaving or will i be "disgruntled" no matter what i say/do?

I should add that i was visibly disturbed and didnt take the news well, but i didnt lash out or anything. I tried to kept it cool but i just couldnt because i really enjoyed the job and wanted to stay.

Grow and move on. No offense. Find something better and take this as a lesson, mate. I say this out of love.

Post: #17

Give them advanced notice (1-3 months?)?

Post: #18

Give them advanced notice. When I am getting sick of a job and I know it, I try and give notice and leave early rather than enter into a cynical state.

Sorry to hear about the gossip, that's pretty filthy. There are some rancid women out there in the workplace, sadly we can't really take them on face to face. Their scorn and backtalk will only increase. Also, telling on them makes you a bitch just like them, which doesn't garner respect for you as a man - yes this shit still applies even when they preach feminist HR doctrine.

One idea would be: Be happy when you leave, and make a couple light hearted comments that she isn't the type of boss for you - which is true. Other than that the company is fantastic and the people are great! You're just not sure what's up with her.

Tough situation, good luck Bro! You will find better work, people don't quit their jobs, they leave their boss!

Don't burn a bridge, I have a couple of times and a few years out its just not worth it if you cross paths with someone - even at a different company. You want to be seen as easy to work with, someone who rises above this shit.

Post: #19

As far as telling them nothing about why you’re leaving and where you’re going - isn’t that considered disrespectful?

My small company has taken good care of me and I would feela bit bad.

But then again, I hate my boss (bookworm who got promoted to management, and he’s a short chubby fob who constantly tried to prove people wrong and gets mad when people prove him wrong).