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Post: #2

We don't advocate P4P. Enjoy your short stay.

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1. When you realize your game, looks, fame, and overall SMV besides money is lackluster and your only option is to pay. (incel way)
2. When you come to the point where you don't want emotional attachment with women and only want to bust a nut. (MGTOW way)
3. When you become so rich and busy that you don't have the time to game women and paying for an hour is more efficient.
4. When you just give up and scrap up all the money you have just to finally enjoy the embrace of a woman. (incel way)
5. When you come to the realization that prostitution is one of the most honest professions and see women as nothing but trouble. (The MGTOW way)

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(11-23-2018 10:53 PM)Remington Wrote:  We don't advocate P4P. Enjoy your short stay.

I don't know why my post was met with such intolerance. It's an honest question. I've been dealt a shit deck of cards in my life. I can't just go out and socialize as easily as the rest of you.

Post: #5

I don't think age should matter unless you've spent a considerable amount of time trying to get laid and have consistently failed.

That being said, there are plenty of guys in their twenties and early thirties who are virgins and are completely at peace with that because they're waiting for the right person or the right circumstance. You'd be surprised how much life can get in the way of having that happen.

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(11-23-2018 10:58 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 10:53 PM)Remington Wrote:  We don't advocate P4P. Enjoy your short stay.

I don't know why my post was met with such intolerance. It's an honest question. I've been dealt a shit deck of cards in my life. I can't just go out and socialize as easily as the rest of you.

Because we are here to exchange value with one another and self-improve in the hopes that P4P is not necessary. Having 14 posts, no rep and talking about being dealt bad cards in life is not adding value. As far as intolerance, I can remember lurking back in 2011-2013 when any mention of P4P even from guys who effectively played both sides of the coin would result in a ban. So I'd say the forum is becoming more tolerant - unfortunately.

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(11-23-2018 10:58 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 10:53 PM)Remington Wrote:  We don't advocate P4P. Enjoy your short stay.

I don't know why my post was met with such intolerance. It's an honest question. I've been dealt a shit deck of cards in my life. I can't just go out and socialize as easily as the rest of you.

Practice helps. Toastmasters helps. Physical improvement helps. But in the modern sexual marketplace it may not help enough. I strongly suggest avoiding American whores, like the rest of American women, they are a bunch of nasty cunts. Hop a flight to Prague and start hitting the "night clubs". Or, if you like oriental women, hop a flight to Thailand.

Learning to socialize can be tough, but practice helps. Find some things to do to socialize. For me, I took up politics. It's been a complete failure as far as women, but my social skills are improving a lot.

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(11-23-2018 11:06 PM)Xenophon Wrote:  Because we are here to exchange value with one another and self-improve in the hopes that P4P is not necessary.

If someone is so poorly socialized that not only do they have zero game but it goes into the negatives to the point where it's an active turnoff, what are they supposed to do?

I've missed every sexual milestone you can think of and I don't game anyone nor have I ever really. Am I supposed to just rot from the inside out?

Quote:Having 14 posts, no rep and talking about being dealt bad cards in life is not adding value.

So this isn't a place to ask experienced daters a question like this? I'm sure you guys always have your guards up with trolls, but this isn't trolling.

Post: #9

Well Barney, I do think that you should try to improve your social situation and learn to become more socially adept. It will benefit you greatly through your life in many different ways including with women. Now if you haven't had much sex in your life and you want to gain some experience then yeah I think an escort here and there can be of assistance. If nothing else, it will demystify sex and make you more comfortable around naked women. Problem with seeing too many escorts for too long is that it can eventually kill your self esteem so it's something that should be done only occasionally while you work on becoming more sociable and develop your game. You can make your situation better and escorts can be used to this end but in the end, I think you'll be happier if you eventually learn how to pull women without paying for it.

Post: #10

Most men want to experience the feeling of being desired as a sex object by a woman. If you have never experienced that, then I think you should pull out all the stops to experience that while you still can, because it gets harder the older you get. Men lose SMV with age same as women. Consider older women, fatties, ugly faces, women of disfavored races, etc. Do NOT go with women who truly repulse you, but do try to get away from choosing women simply to impress other guys that you're fucking a hottie.

I tried fatties myself initially and that was a big mistake, because I'm very disciplined about keeping I top physical condition myself and so I couldn't help not despising fatties. Then I tried older women and that worked great. But that was long ago and now there is more competition for older women by young men, so it isn't as easy as before. But still worth trying. Now that I'm old myself, old women bore me, so now I lower standards regarding facial looks. Take away 1mm of skin and everyone looks like a monster. Facial beauty especially really is skin deep. Anyway, once a young girl is naked, I hardly notice her face. But I suspect dropping standards for facial looks works better for older men with younger women, because when a younger man does that, the girl might think the guy is slumming and looking down at her and be resentful as a consequence, whereas she can be confident around older men, especially older men with average or below faces themselves.

P4P is the sense of paying a whore for 1 hour of sex is the low end of provider game. Sponsor or sugar daddy arrangements is the current high end. Marriage used to be the high end of provider game but nowadays marriage is for schmucks in developed countries because of divorce rape. In all forms of provider game, the challenge is to get your money's worth. Lots of married guys in sexless marriages have failed big time at provider game. In particular, of you want reciprocated desire, and that is true for most young men, hard to be sure of that with many forms of provider game. If you really don't care about reciprocated desire, then provider game is easy, as long as you avoid the marriage variant.

The fact that you are asking us to approve your decision to go P4P suggests you haven't given up hope of clown game, where you give the women boredom-relieving experiences in exchange for sex, rather than giving material benefits as with provider game

Clown and provider game are Roosh's terms, from his Game book. I particularly like "clown game" because of the contempt implied for the whole business of acting like a fool to get into a girls pants. Provider game is actually the more manly approach, but it's not really appropriate for young men, because most young men aren't psychologically ready to not care what the woman thinks of them.

Post: #11

I feel you got have some success with woman and experience 1st. I say 30 or over,use it for a non emotional sex.

If you do it to young,the woman can easily manipulate you. I got friend who uses escorts a lot,his game is weak. It can help,man I paid this and just had sex w a beautiful women. It can take woman off a pedestal. I think it's a risk.

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(11-23-2018 10:44 PM)Barney Wrote:  

If you haven't got laid by the time you are 30, there are a number of options:

1) Improve yourself. Hit the gym, get a new wardrobe and learn some game.
2) Fly to Thailand or the Phillipines
3) Chop your knob off

Post: #13

If you're poorly socialized you need to find a way to start making friends. How is this rocket science?

Post: #14

"Just seeing an escort" isn't going to solve your problem. It's a temporary fix, if you can even call it that.

If you are not trolling, I would suggest providing some more information about yourself. What's the background story? How did you get into this situation and have you taken any steps so far to try and solve the problem?

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I like OP name and avatar.

Post: #16

At whatever age they give up.

I was in a similar position to you some time ago. I did something similar to what you've just done - I turned up at Bodybuilding.com/Misc and told of my problems and then hoped someone else would just fix it for me. I don't think I even really wanted to turn things around, as I did nothing.

The only thing that changed the situation was when I made the decision that I was going to make finding someone part of my life, instead of hoping that something would just happen.

Luckily that coincided with finding this forum and I was quickly able to soak up what the game is and why it wasn't working for me - mainly because I wasn't even play and certainly because I wasn't maximising anything about myself or taking a cold, long, hard look in the mirror.

Recently I saw some photos of myself from about 2015. I always thought I was good looking, and there was evidence to suggest that, but I didn't do anything with that. What I saw was a guy who cut his own hair, wore ten year old clothes his mother bought him and looked brittle. Yet I saw none of that at the time. It's easier to look at the outside world as to why things are going wrong.

If you are a normal guy, in my opinion, all you need to do is maximse one aspect of yourself, then market it relentlessly against all the rejection you will get. There's two learning journies that in themselves will take a year each to get to grips with if you throw yourself into it.

And when you're on the path recognise that small steps in the right direction are better than rotting from the inside. Getting ghosted by a fatty is further along to where you want to be than wanking at home.

I would go for:

1) no wanks, install a no fap block list that blocks anything up to and beyond swimsuit catalouges
2) get henched, to start with try Shaun T's Asylum <- it's all planned out for you
3) consider what types of girls the best version of you could attract and insert yourselves into their realm in whatever way you can - don't get put off if it doesn't work

"I've got social issues" is the rot on the inside. Kick it out. I've had all sorts of problems, likely worse than whatever yours are. Unless you challenge those problems, they will always be there. Being poor socially doesn't have to be the end destination.

Post: #17

This one's easy:

When the youngest you can get without paying is just too old for you to be actually attracted to.

(the above assumes you've already done everything in your power to maximize your looks/status/etc in an optimal location for yourself).

Post: #18

this thread isn't going to end well for the OP.

Post: #19

Is your goal to be happy or to get laid?

Post: #20

There seems to be an air of resignation rising in this forum ranging from younger men threatened with inceldom to older men jaded with dating.

If the OP is willing to pry women with coin like a 1980s arcade game, he might as well travel.

Post: #21

I don't recommend this at all, whether you're getting laid or not.

The closest I got to P4P or an escort is during a trip to a strip club in Deerfield Beach, Florida about 3 years ago. I wanted a lap dance from a brunette Cuban girl from Cuba. She started grinding on me and eventually put her hands down my pants and started giving me a handjob.

I was horny and she gave me a lap dance 2 more times and the same handjob. She tried to kiss me, but I did not want to kiss a stripper (yuck!). Strippers, webcam girls, porn stars and prostitutes are the lowest of low women. Degenerates.

Next day, I felt gross as fuck. I took like 4 baths/showers and washed my dick thoroughly. I regret it, but was horny as hell that night. I never did that again and never will do so.

The handjob memory from the Cuban stripper occasionally gives me headaches to this day. Something I am trying to forget...

Post: #22

Women always cost, money, time or both. IMO, there's no such thing as free pussy.

Post: #23

18. Nothing wrong with it and all my friends do it, did it at super early ages

Post: #24

Hello Barney. Welcome to the forum.

Would you care to describe what you mean by having been dealt unfavorable cards in life?

What milestones do you think you have missed? What are your perceptions, I mean, as to what those milestones should have been?

These are genuine questions some of us may want to hear the answers to. At that point, it will be easier for us to help you.

Post: #25

This forum is going downhill.

We are getting a few guys on here now promoting P4P.

Moderators, you need to block these losers.