Post: #76

(04-15-2019 03:11 PM)trickster Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 01:39 PM)Horus Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 01:32 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 01:20 PM)Horus Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 01:06 PM)Dusty Wrote:  This is like 9/11.

It's worse.

No it's not. Nobody's died.

I few thousand lives and a modern symbol of capitalism is worth less than a symbol of cultural and spiritual cohesion which has survived almost a thousand years.

The cultural-spiritual loss is huge no doubt. But 9/11 led to the Iraq War, which has been a two decade clusterfck that is still ongoing. The lives lost and damaged and the billions of dollars wasted as a result of 9-11 might, just might outweigh today's terrible loss.

Good point.

Post: #77

I am saddened in a way that is hard to explain. I have never been there, and yet it feels in a way like losing a part of something personal. I immediately imagined what would be like if Jerónimos in Lisboa or the Santa Sé in Porto were to burn down. Except it's an even bigger symbol of the West's downfall. It's a 'rome is burning' kind of moment.

Post: #78

Deliberate or not, accidental or not... I still see it as a sign of modern times.

Something big's comming. I don't know if it's going to be a miracle or a cataclysm, but it's going to be big.

I'd advise my fellow RFV'ers to make an option to get out of major urban areas within the next 10 years because civilization can turn to savagery within the blink of an eye.

Post: #79

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/...5473397763

Hmmmm... a certain group seems to be quite happy that its burning ...

Post: #80

(04-15-2019 02:43 PM)Horus Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 02:38 PM)mikado Wrote:  So far no terrorism indications.

I guess it's equally likely that one of the renovation workers flicked a cigarette butt in the direction of a vat of kerosine they keep in the corner to fuel the church lamps.

In the videos, you can see the scaffolding over the collapsed roof. It's possible they were doing copper or tin brazing work and made errors which ignited the very old wood under the metal roof.

I remember back in the 1990s there was a panic about black churches being burned in the US south. Bill Clinton and the Democratic party amplified the incidences and set the FBI on it to investigate whether it was the KKK.

The late journalist Michael Kelly did a story in The Atlantic a couple years later in which he examined the reasons for the fires. It turned out that the overwhelming majority of the fires were from electrical short-circuits, beefs within the church, garden-variety pyromaniacs and retards, kids, etc.

So Clinton had cynically whipped up racial fear and resentment in order to mobilize black voters for the elections.

I have prepared a decision tree for y'all.

If they say it's from workers brazing - it's a Globohomo Jew coverup
If they say it's the Yellow Vests - it's a False Flag
If they say it's Muslims - Believe the government!

Post: #81

I'm sure Macron will build a Mosque for its replacement!

Post: #82

(04-15-2019 03:18 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 02:43 PM)Horus Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 02:38 PM)mikado Wrote:  So far no terrorism indications.

I guess it's equally likely that one of the renovation workers flicked a cigarette butt in the direction of a vat of kerosine they keep in the corner to fuel the church lamps.

In the videos, you can see the scaffolding over the collapsed roof. It's possible they were doing copper or tin brazing work and made errors which ignited the very old wood under the metal roof.

I remember back in the 1990s there was a panic about black churches being burned in the US south. Bill Clinton and the Democratic party amplified the incidences and set the FBI on it to investigate whether it was the KKK.

The late journalist Michael Kelly did a story in The Atlantic a couple years later in which he examined the reasons for the fires. It turned out that the overwhelming majority of the fires were from electrical short-circuits, beefs within the church, garden-variety pyromaniacs and retards, kids, etc.

So Clinton had cynically whipped up racial fear and resentment in order to mobilize black voters for the elections.

I have prepared a decision tree for y'all.

If they say it's from workers brazing - it's a Globohomo Jew coverup
If they say it's the Yellow Vests - it's a False Flag
If they say it's Muslims - Believe the government!

People are just upset. I felt this viscerally when I first saw the picture. I love France and Paris.

Is this really the best time to let everyone know you care more about people than buildings and that you disagree with a lot of forum members about the Jews?



I mean, do what you want but. . .

Sometimes people, when feeling strong emotions, speak hyperbolically and not literally, but if you want to spend your time pointing out that people aren't being literally accurate. . .

I guess news like this affects people differently.

Post: #83

This looks like typical firefighting for a large building with no people reported inside, no conspiracies. It did look to me like it was taking a long time for them to get going, but it can take a bit of time to get hydraulic platforms like what they're using here into use, mainly due to problems getting enough water pressure from hydrants. Time will tell.

Post: #84

If the French don't rebuild and this really was only an accident, I still bet Muslims across Europe are smirking and quietly pondering how they can have a Mosque built in Notre Dames place.

The French can always try to rebuild. And they better. For God's sake save something of your nation.

Post: #85

All tweets & images from Nick Monroe @nickmon1112.

Post: #86

(04-15-2019 03:25 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 03:18 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 02:43 PM)Horus Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 02:38 PM)mikado Wrote:  So far no terrorism indications.

I guess it's equally likely that one of the renovation workers flicked a cigarette butt in the direction of a vat of kerosine they keep in the corner to fuel the church lamps.

In the videos, you can see the scaffolding over the collapsed roof. It's possible they were doing copper or tin brazing work and made errors which ignited the very old wood under the metal roof.

I remember back in the 1990s there was a panic about black churches being burned in the US south. Bill Clinton and the Democratic party amplified the incidences and set the FBI on it to investigate whether it was the KKK.

The late journalist Michael Kelly did a story in The Atlantic a couple years later in which he examined the reasons for the fires. It turned out that the overwhelming majority of the fires were from electrical short-circuits, beefs within the church, garden-variety pyromaniacs and retards, kids, etc.

So Clinton had cynically whipped up racial fear and resentment in order to mobilize black voters for the elections.

I have prepared a decision tree for y'all.

If they say it's from workers brazing - it's a Globohomo Jew coverup
If they say it's the Yellow Vests - it's a False Flag
If they say it's Muslims - Believe the government!

People are just upset. I felt this viscerally when I first saw the picture. I love France and Paris.

Is this really the best time to let everyone know you care more about buildings than people and that you disagree with a lot of forum members about the Jews?



I mean, do what you want but. . .

Sometimes people, when feeling strong emotions, speak hyperbolically and not literally, but if you want to spend your time pointing out that people aren't being literally accurate. . .

I guess news like this affects people differently.

Au contraire, I care more about people than buildings.

So far nobody's died. There will be some losses, but it's likely the cathedral will be rebuilt.

Cathedrals have burned, been bombed before. Coventry, Cologne.

I've been at enough Egyptian, Roman, Greek, and Babylonian sites to know that nothing lasts forever. Looking at Jerash, Paestum or Babylon just ruins.

So I'm fairly sanguine about this.

Post: #87

I was watching Euronews (spits) and they had a young architect skype calling from the street saying that if it is rebuilt and France (its people) has changed and can never be rebuilt the same way, never will feel the same.

I couldn't figure out if he was happy or sad or didn't care.

Prepping the people for a triangle monstrosity in its place?

Post: #88

I was watching Euronews (spits) and they had a young architect skype calling from the street saying that if it is rebuilt and France (its people) has changed and can never be rebuilt the same way, never will feel the same.

I couldn't figure out if he was happy or sad or didn't care.

Prepping the people for a triangle monstrosity in its place?

Post: #89

I was watching Euronews (spits) and they had a young architect skype calling from the street saying that if it is rebuilt and France (its people) has changed and can never be rebuilt the same way, never will feel the same.

I couldn't figure out if he was happy or sad or didn't care.

Prepping the people for a triangle monstrosity in its place?

Post: #90

Crown of Thorns

Quote:Crown of Thorns, the wreath of thorns was placed on the head of Jesus Christ at his crucifixion, whereby the Roman soldiers mocked his title of “King of the Jews.” A relic purported to be the Crown of Thorns was transferred from Jerusalem to Constantinople by 1063. The French king Louis IX (St. Louis) took the relic to Paris about 1238 and had the Sainte-Chapelle built (1242–48) to house it. The thornless remains are kept in the treasury at Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris.

I guess this relic is gone.

Post: #91

(04-15-2019 03:01 PM)The Stronger Sex Wrote:  For fuck's sake, the levels of tinfoil silliness reaching an all-time high. If you lot spent less time on Tinder you would know fires during renovations of ancient buildings with wood framework are not unusual, unfortunately, due to sparks from welding, short circuits, etc. You don't even need renovation works. Some more or less recent examples: Windsor Castle, the Opera Theatre in Venice, the Liceu Theatre in Barcelona or the Leon Cathedral.

It's like reading deluded feminists but in reverse.

It could very well be a reconstruction accident, it could also very well be an act of terrorism (either by Islamists or militant atheists). We don't know and maybe never will, but writing off either possibility right now is foolish as is assuming the media will tell the truth if it was deliberately set.

Post: #92

Update:

Post: #93

Yeah that was me. I spent years posting in that thread, warning everyone what was to come. However nobody really gave a shit and late last year after some bullshit mod warning I decided that talking to a wall wasn't really worth my time.

Before I recede back into lurk mode let me repeat my original advice: Go to Europe visit as many cultural treasures as possible while you're there. The clock is ticking....

(04-15-2019 02:27 PM)TutorGuina Wrote:  That shit is fucking insane

I remember a poster in the migrant invasion thread years ago telling people to visit Europe while it exists, and he's turning out to be terrifyingly correct
I had the luck to visit Paris and this specific monument last year but the whole place was already degraded to the point I felt like it wasn't much better managed than Rio
Place was riddled with panhandlers, dirty streets and of course 3rd world muslims similar to the favela people from back home, but with addition of sectarian religious hatred

Honestly, comparing this with 9/11 is useless, one is an attack on the spiritual and cultural memory of a nation and religion, while the other was an attack on people and infrastructure
Both are bad in different ways, so chill out all of you, fighting over such a petty argument is quite a waste

Post: #94

The fire started at 7pm.

The working day had apparently finished quite a while earlier - ie no welding etc was being carried out at the time

Post: #95

(04-15-2019 03:35 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 03:25 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Is this really the best time to let everyone know you care more about buildings than people and that you disagree with a lot of forum members about the Jews?

Au contraire, I care more about people than buildings.

So far nobody's died. There will be some losses, but it's likely the cathedral will be rebuilt.

Cathedrals have burned, been bombed before. Coventry, Cologne.

I've been at enough Egyptian, Roman, Greek, and Babylonian sites to know that nothing lasts forever. Looking at Jerash, Paestum or Babylon just ruins.

So I'm fairly sanguine about this.

I reversed that by mistake, but it's fixed now.

Still, it seems like you are being purposely obtuse in multiple threads.

Don't understand to what end.

Always liked your posts in the past.

Post: #96

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/...7389158401

watch this video and tell me this scripture isnt atleast a little bit fitting

Psalm 137 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
when we remembered Zion.
2 There on the poplars
we hung our harps,
3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
they said, “Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”

4 How can we sing the songs of the Lord
while in a foreign land?
5 If I forget you, Jerusalem,
may my right hand forget its skill.
6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
if I do not remember you,
if I do not consider Jerusalem
my highest joy.

7 Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

Post: #97

The bulk of artwork and relics inside Notre Dame had been removed over a month ago when this batch of renovations started.

Post: #98

This is a real and sad tragedy to see this old cathedral burn down like that. Just thinking that it’s been around for so long and then to see it burn down so quickly actually brought a tear to my eye. It’s just another sign of France’s decline. The firefighters response to this fire seems to be very weak here and and they appear to be very underprepared for a fire of this magnitude.

This surprises me considering that this is a first world country in a first world city. A very sad day.

Post: #99

(04-15-2019 03:54 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 03:35 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 03:25 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Is this really the best time to let everyone know you care more about buildings than people and that you disagree with a lot of forum members about the Jews?

Au contraire, I care more about people than buildings.

So far nobody's died. There will be some losses, but it's likely the cathedral will be rebuilt.

Cathedrals have burned, been bombed before. Coventry, Cologne.

I've been at enough Egyptian, Roman, Greek, and Babylonian sites to know that nothing lasts forever. Looking at Jerash, Paestum or Babylon just ruins.

So I'm fairly sanguine about this.

I reversed that by mistake, but it's fixed now.

Still, it seems like you are being purposely obtuse in multiple threads.

Don't understand to what end.

Always liked your posts in the past.

Somebody says this is worse than 9/11? A building worth more than 3000 people because it's old? I don't agree.

As far as the other threads, ya I don't think Hitler was a good guy justified to invade Poland and I'm not onboard the JC train with all the facts "everyone knows." Guess I am obtuse.

Post: #100

(04-15-2019 03:01 PM)The Stronger Sex Wrote:  For fuck's sake, the levels of tinfoil silliness reaching an all-time high. If you lot spent less time on Tinder you would know fires during renovations of ancient buildings with wood framework are not unusual, unfortunately, due to sparks from welding, short circuits, etc. You don't even need renovation works. Some more or less recent examples: Windsor Castle, the Opera Theatre in Venice, the Liceu Theatre in Barcelona or the Leon Cathedral.

It's like reading deluded feminists but in reverse.

Are you sure? You should read more about what's really going on in France. And try going Tinder-less next time.

Quote:Twelve French Churches Attacked, Vandalized in One Week

by Thomas D. Williams, PH.D. | 20 Mar 2019

A dozen Catholic churches have been desecrated across France over the period of one week in an egregious case of anti-Christian vandalism.

The recent spate of church profanations has puzzled both police and ecclesiastical leaders, who have mostly remained silent as the violations have spread up and down France.

Last Sunday, marauders set fire to the church of Saint-Sulpice — one of Paris’ largest and most important churches — shortly after the twelve-o’clock Mass.

Police have concluded that the fire was the result of arson and are now looking for possible suspects. The restoration of the church from the damage caused by the fire will reportedly cost several hundred million euros.

In Nimes (department of the Gard), near the border with Spain, the church of Notre-Dame des Enfants was desecrated in a particularly odious way, with vandals painting a cross with human excrement, looting the main altar and the tabernacle, and stealing the consecrated hosts, which were discovered later among piles of garbage.

Likewise, the church of Notre-Dame in Dijon, in the east of the country, suffered the sacking of the high altar and the hosts were also taken from the tabernacle, scattered on the ground, and trampled.

In Lavaur, in the southern department of the Tarn, the village church was assaulted by young men, who twisted one arm of a representation of the crucified Christ to make it appear that he was making an obscene gesture.

In the peripheries of Paris, in the department of Yvelines, several churches have suffered profanations of varying importance, in Maisons-Laffitte and in Houilles.

Although commentators have been reluctant to attach a particular religious or cultural origin to the profanations, they all share an evident anti-Christian character.

In recent months, anti-Semitic gangs have desecrated Jewish cemeteries, signing their actions with swastikas. In the case of the desecration of Catholic churches, the vandalism has spoken for itself: ridicule of the figure of Christ on the cross and desecration of major altars.

The Catholic hierarchy has kept silent about the episodes, limited themselves to highlighting that anti-Christian threat and expressing hope that politicians and police will get to the bottom of the crimes.

Reports indicate that 80 percent of the desecration of places of worship in France concerns Christian churches and in the year 2018 this meant the profanation of an average of two Christian churches per day in France, even though these actions rarely make the headlines.

In 2018, the Ministry of the Interior recorded 541 anti-Semitic acts, 100 anti-Muslim acts, and 1063 anti-Christian acts.