Post: #76

(01-06-2012 03:21 AM)Hallasan Wrote:  While a significant part of Tuthmosis' amazing strategy revolves around preparing the pad for lays, it is not critical.
I cannot bring a girl to my place currently, yet much of his steps still work well.

There's no doubt that you can run variations or a-la-carte parts out of this.

Post: #77

Tuth, did you make this template specifically to bang yoga instructors!?!

I used it again last night and fucked yet another yoga instructor. Blond, nice little body, beautiful blue fuck-me eyes (think cat-like Russian eyes).. she was 7.5-8.

I'd like to propose a little variation. I've been using the recipe on girls who've I've met online, and have found that it helps to bounce them to another bar before heading home. I've proposed my place at the first bar, and they seem a little skiddish. Going to a second bar helps build comfort, especially if you've never met her before.

In my experience, bringing it up too soon is kind of like going for the kiss before you get to the house- it betrays your intentions too soon. I think the great innovation in the recipe is that you don't really let them know your intentions until you get 'em home.

Anyway, thanks again man!! Your recipe has yielded me two new notches for me for 2012, and the quality of girls is increasing.

p.s. We met up at 11pm instead of 9. And I did have to pull an old school freeze out at one point to counter some LMR

Post: #78

This post is awesome. Saved it to my laptop for reference.

Post: #79

Dude, you have a very good style of writing that makes learning these ideas easy to digest.

I am really impressed and I am going to try the NOT kissing move asap. I have been going for that kiss up front from the very beginning for as long as I've been running game. This makes so much sense. That make out buffer is a false sense of security and recognizing it is a stroke of genius.

Post: #80

(01-24-2012 05:18 AM)Fisto Wrote:  Dude, you have a very good style of writing that makes learning these ideas easy to digest.

I am really impressed and I am going to try the NOT kissing move asap. I have been going for that kiss up front from the very beginning for as long as I've been running game. This makes so much sense. That make out buffer is a false sense of security and recognizing it is a stroke of genius.

Thanks, man. Let me know how your experimentation works out. Seriously. I'm continuing to hone this knife and seeing results. I'd actually like to add a small insight to this that I've been observing recently.

Addendum:

So, one interesting twist that I've noticed lately is that the invitation back to your place after one round of drinks can work on another level: girls' cheapness (or general broke-ness, especially with younger prospects in today's economy). Girls are way more aware of money, I think, that we tend to be. We expect to spend money on pussy. We, in fact, budget it in as "bitch money." They often get away with never having to drop any coin. Plus, girls--especially the cute, young ones we're after--tend to have shitty, low-paying jobs, if any at all.

If you've dropped the I'll-grab-the-first-round line and then, at some point, suggest you get a second round elsewhere, she's anticipating having to open her wallet. But if you suddenly follow that up with the suggestion that you grab that second round at your place, she recognizes that she might not have to pick up the tab after all. Second round is also on you. Of course, she knows this will mean going back to your place, but combined with the fact that you haven't made out yet (so that she has that all-important plausible deniability), saving $15-20 and having a little innocent make-out session makes a lot of sense.

It's kind of hard to describe, but I've had a couple of girls jump all over the idea in a way that suggested this. This is insight, I think, worth keeping in mind.

Post: #81

(01-25-2012 05:32 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 05:18 AM)Fisto Wrote:  Dude, you have a very good style of writing that makes learning these ideas easy to digest.

I am really impressed and I am going to try the NOT kissing move asap. I have been going for that kiss up front from the very beginning for as long as I've been running game. This makes so much sense. That make out buffer is a false sense of security and recognizing it is a stroke of genius.

Thanks, man. Let me know how your experimentation works out. Seriously. I'm continuing to hone this knife and seeing results. I'd actually like to add a small insight to this that I've been observing recently.

Addendum:

So, one interesting twist that I've noticed lately is that the invitation back to your place after one round of drinks can work on another level: girls' cheapness (or general broke-ness, especially with younger prospects in today's economy). Girls are way more aware of money, I think, that we tend to be. We expect to spend money on pussy. We, in fact, budget it in as "bitch money." They often get away with never having to drop any coin. Plus, girls--especially the cute, young ones we're after--tend to have shitty, low-paying jobs, if any at all.

If you've dropped the I'll-grab-the-first-round line and then, at some point, suggest you get a second round elsewhere, she's anticipating having to open her wallet. But if you suddenly follow that up with the suggestion that you grab that second round at your place, she recognizes that she won't have to pick up the tab. Second round is also on you. She knows that means going back to your place, but combined with the fact that you haven't made out yet (so that she has plausible deniability), saving $15-20 and having a little innocent make-out session makes a lot of sense.

It's kind of hard to describe, but I've had a couple of girls jump all over the idea in a way that suggested this. This is insight, I think, worth keeping in mind.

Brilliant.

Post: #82

One question Tuth - why didn't you write your recipe earlier?

So after getting my logistics on lock - 3 minute walk from a cool bar - I decided to give the recipe a try this week from daygame prospects.

The first one I met on the train, the second one I met in the supermarket - total conversation time for each around 15 minutes.


I met the first girl on Tuesday. We went to my local bar at 9, had some banter and general chit-chat, went to my place for around 10:15 after suggesting 'chilling with a bottle of wine.'

This ended in a makeout and a near-bang. The force (i.e. LMR) was strong in this one.

The second girl I met on Wednesday, rinse and repeated the same routine.

This ended in a bang.

Observations: After going oldschool on many daygame dates, i.e. 2-3 venues and try weasel your way back into her place at the end, I was surprised how easy it was to convince girls to come over. Never a mention of being up early or some bullshit. The non-kissing really does make a difference, I used to turn on the dial ready for the second venue.

Now I can just relax and save it for my pad - home turf advantage.

Plus this gives the added advantage of taking girls out in your home territory who you wouldn't have otherwise converted because she has to go home later and you can't walk her or drive her.

Also - I'm not cheap but spending $25 is fine by me. Total drinks bought 2 rounds and 2 x bottles of wine.

Depending on the girl you can also do as Tuth mentioned and buy mixers and make some impressive drinks if you know how when you get home.

I have more dates lined up for next way and this is going to be my tour de force on every first date from now on.

Top marks for simplicity.

Once again, this demonstrates the forgotten art of logistics. Know your territory!

Thanks Tuth.

Post: #83

(01-26-2012 03:07 PM)dk902 Wrote:  One question Tuth - why didn't you write your recipe earlier?

So after getting my logistics on lock - 3 minute walk from a cool bar - I decided to give the recipe a try this week from daygame prospects.

The first one I met on the train, the second one I met in the supermarket - total conversation time for each around 15 minutes.


I met the first girl on Tuesday. We went to my local bar at 9, had some banter and general chit-chat, went to my place for around 10:15 after suggesting 'chilling with a bottle of wine.'

This ended in a makeout and a near-bang. The force (i.e. LMR) was strong in this one.

The second girl I met on Wednesday, rinse and repeated the same routine.

This ended in a bang.

This is something like 3-4 confirmed bangs with this approach (not including mine). This makes me very happy.

It's quite astounding how DTF girls secretly are (it's a lesson we all know, but often forget). It's all about creating an environment that makes bang all but inevitable and--more importantly--excusable. Tight game in between, of course, is the other key ingredient.

I love these reports. Please keep them coming, guys,

Post: #84

Tuth,

I'm wondering if this is the new way to pick girls up when out. I've noticed when I get hot and heavy in a club or bar with a girl I just met and I penetrate her my fingers I can't get her to leave her friends and come back with me. On the contrary, when I just tease them with the rubbing or light brushes, the likely hood of getting them out of there increases. I'm wondering if an all around tone down in the make out is in order....

Post: #85

(01-27-2012 03:01 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Tuth,

I'm wondering if this is the new way to pick girls up when out. I've noticed when I get hot and heavy in a club or bar with a girl I just met and I penetrate her my fingers I can't get her to leave her friends and come back with me. On the contrary, when I just tease them with the rubbing or light brushes, the likely hood of getting them out of there increases. I'm wondering if an all around tone down in the make out is in order....

Good catch. Remember reading about the Accountability vs Anonymity. When she has people around that she knows she has to "tell them something" and be accountable or completely hide you or fuck you without anyone knowing even if you hang out with her & gang "anonymity" (I had an FWB like this).

I've seen both work well as long as you set ONE of these above up.

Post: #86

I may have stumbled onto another way to get them back to your house with plausible deniability. I played a gig last week and then went to get some drinks with my bass player and some girls that his GF brought along. There was one chick that I was interested in, and eventually had my tongue in her throat. I suggested a bounce to another bar that was a block from my house (she didn't know), and was able to isolate her from the group.

The thing is, I had my guitar and my amp with me. We had had a bunch of beers so instead of going to the bar I just started leading her towards my pad. She asked me where we were going, and I said "to my place."

After a pause she said, "Oh, to drop off your guitar."

We went back to my place, and, suffice it to say, never made it out to the bar

So, maybe this is another way to get the girl back to your place with out revealing your intentions. If you have a prop, you can use that as an excuse to get her back (like a laptop, briefcase, guitar, or whatever).

If it's a first date, maybe you "just came from work/rehearsal/something cool that involves prop" Then you can suggest a bounce to another bar near your house and then have the fake "aha" moment and be like "I'm a block away, let's drop this off first."

You might also be able to use the prop as a topic of conversation (especially if it's a guitar). It's also a DHV against her and the date itself because you've got other, more important things going in your life.

Post: #87

(02-04-2012 06:53 PM)soup Wrote:  I may have stumbled onto another way to get them back to your house with plausible deniability. I played a gig last week and then went to get some drinks with my bass player and some girls that his GF brought along. There was one chick that I was interested in, and eventually had my tongue in her throat. I suggested a bounce to another bar that was a block from my house (she didn't know), and was able to isolate her from the group.

The thing is, I had my guitar and my amp with me. We had had a bunch of beers so instead of going to the bar I just started leading her towards my pad. She asked me where we were going, and I said "to my place."

After a pause she said, "Oh, to drop off your guitar."

We went back to my place, and, suffice it to say, never made it out to the bar

So, maybe this is another way to get the girl back to your place with out revealing your intentions. If you have a prop, you can use that as an excuse to get her back (like a laptop, briefcase, guitar, or whatever).

If it's a first date, maybe you "just came from work/rehearsal/something cool that involves prop" Then you can suggest a bounce to another bar near your house and then have the fake "aha" moment and be like "I'm a block away, let's drop this off first."

You might also be able to use the prop as a topic of conversation (especially if it's a guitar). It's also a DHV against her and the date itself because you've got other, more important things going in your life.

Here's another one:

One time I got mugged and had my wallet stolen including my driver's license so I had to carry my passport around as an ID until I got a new one. I had a date with a girl where we started out at a coffee shop and then went to a bar a couple blocks from my house, and on the way to the bar I remembered that I forgot to grab my passport when I left my apartment (I swear to God I actually did forget it, this wasn't planned) so I told her we had to go back so I could get it and once we got to my place I pulled the "you know what, fuck going to a bar, I'll just open up a bottle of wine since we're already here" move. Bang.

Gotta love serendipity.

Post: #88

I think @soup's and gringo's subterfuge are excellent replacements to the "I'll make you a drink" excuse for getting her back to your place. This is what I called "bachelor-pad bait" in Step 4. Anything with airtight plausible-deniability that requires a stop at your comfortable-as-shit setup will work, and these are both gold. I might try bringing a "drop-off prop" to my next one to field-test it and report back. I have a couple of good ideas in mind.

Assuming you've got your logistics worked out (back at the pad and the location of your venue), there's no reason why they wouldn't work as good or better.

Post: #89

This thread is gold.

What's your thinking on kissing on the first date if you know up front you won't be going back to bang?

Last night I had a first date with a girl. Something urgent came up at work that I had to take care of and I only had one and a half hour with her before I had to bounce. I decided to just have a good time and build enough comfort that she'd come straight to my place next time. Dropped bait about having just been given a cookbook and wanting to try out some of the recipes. She basically invited herself over for dinner.

I used to always go for the kiss on first dates to keep the momentum going and avoid being friendzoned. Just did more kino instead, which she responded well to. After reading this I decided not to so she would have plausible deniability coming to my house for dinner.

Post: #90

(01-25-2012 05:32 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 05:18 AM)Fisto Wrote:  Dude, you have a very good style of writing that makes learning these ideas easy to digest.

I am really impressed and I am going to try the NOT kissing move asap. I have been going for that kiss up front from the very beginning for as long as I've been running game. This makes so much sense. That make out buffer is a false sense of security and recognizing it is a stroke of genius.

Thanks, man. Let me know how your experimentation works out. Seriously. I'm continuing to hone this knife and seeing results. I'd actually like to add a small insight to this that I've been observing recently.

Addendum:

So, one interesting twist that I've noticed lately is that the invitation back to your place after one round of drinks can work on another level: girls' cheapness (or general broke-ness, especially with younger prospects in today's economy). Girls are way more aware of money, I think, that we tend to be. We expect to spend money on pussy. We, in fact, budget it in as "bitch money." They often get away with never having to drop any coin. Plus, girls--especially the cute, young ones we're after--tend to have shitty, low-paying jobs, if any at all.

If you've dropped the I'll-grab-the-first-round line and then, at some point, suggest you get a second round elsewhere, she's anticipating having to open her wallet. But if you suddenly follow that up with the suggestion that you grab that second round at your place, she recognizes that she might not have to pick up the tab after all. Second round is also on you. Of course, she knows this will mean going back to your place, but combined with the fact that you haven't made out yet (so that she has that all-important plausible deniability), saving $15-20 and having a little innocent make-out session makes a lot of sense.

It's kind of hard to describe, but I've had a couple of girls jump all over the idea in a way that suggested this. This is insight, I think, worth keeping in mind.

Gold!!

Post: #91

(02-05-2012 05:56 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  I think @soup's and gringo's subterfuge are excellent replacements to the "I'll make you a drink" excuse for getting her back to your place. This is what I called "bachelor-pad bait" in Step 4. Anything with airtight plausible-deniability that requires a stop at your comfortable-as-shit setup will work, and these are both gold. I might try bringing a "drop-off prop" to my next one to field-test it and report back. I have a couple of good ideas in mind.

Assuming you've got your logistics worked out (back at the pad and the location of your venue), there's no reason why they wouldn't work as good or better.

My standard is "I need to let my dog out. Want to go for a quick walk?" It's so innocent sounding, it's almost evil. Of course, the only walk is back to my place, and the dog doesn't get let out until she leaves.

Post: #92

Picked up a girl last night (a 6 at best) and she was with her HOT friend who was already with some guy I sort of know.

Anyway, I've mentioned my theory about lesser girls sometimes being harder to fuck because they compensate for their absence of upper tier looks. Also, I know she didn't want to look bad in front of her friend AND her fucking friend was cockblocking me all night long.

How did I accomplish the mission?

I withheld any real kiss. It was always the intimate peck that I pretended to stop escalating because I was uncomfortable doing it in public.

This drove her fucking crazy. By the end of the night she was telling me "Let's get out of here"

She didn't give a damn what her friend thought after a certain point. When her friend left to go to the bathroom she was like "Come on, let's go"

I spent a lot of time building comfort and sexual tension and then it just popped.

This is the way to pick up girls and fuck them now I'm certain. I know I have to experiment more but this is promising.

Imagine the little 20something bitch that goes to clubs, makes out with a guy and then leaves with her friends.

You tease that girl this way and withhold the makeout and she is going to come home with you thinking the makeout barrier will keep her safe.

God I love this method!

Post: #93

(02-07-2012 05:52 PM)Fisto Wrote:  I spent a lot of time building comfort and sexual tension and then it just popped.

This is the way to pick up girls and fuck them now I'm certain. I know I have to experiment more but this is promising.

Imagine the little 20something bitch that goes to clubs, makes out with a guy and then leaves with her friends.

You tease that girl this way and withhold the makeout and she is going to come home with you thinking the makeout barrier will keep her safe.

God I love this method!

I think you're absolutely right. Game has shifted, as it will continue to do.

Proper tension-building is key. I'm sure this is like a fingerprint, where we all do it differently. I've, for instance, really become interested in the artful use of eye contact. It's amazing how nuanced it can be. One of my classic (almost cheesy) moves: "teaching a dance move," with lingering hands on the small of the back or cupping the elbow with my hand is also pretty powerful. I'm experimenting with this new thing: "smell my new cologne." I bring their heads into my neck let them smell. I do the same. Commentary follows. A whole night of this bullshit, without any resolution, simply makes a girl frustrated and unsatisfied.

I've been getting (and noticing) a lot more girl-signaling in the last few months since using this approach. I've never seen so much lip-biting from girls in my life. At first, I thought it was in my imagination, but it's not. It's interesting because I love it when girls bite their lips (I think it's a hardwired signal for us). It's like they're telling you, "it's okay to kiss me" or "kiss me already." Fuck no, bitch. If I do, that might be the end of it. That's some subconscious-ass trap. Girls are trying to get what they want at the lowest possible price. A night of attention for a kiss, with no pussy-surrender is a rock-bottom bargain!

What's more, girls secretly want to be taken into a love nest and not know what's going to happen. They love uncertainty and surprise. If it weren't for girls, there would be no wrapping paper or $1.99-gift bags. Dudes would just hand a scented candle or set of headphones over to their homie and be like, "here you go, man."

Post: #94

(02-07-2012 07:23 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 05:52 PM)Fisto Wrote:  I spent a lot of time building comfort and sexual tension and then it just popped.

This is the way to pick up girls and fuck them now I'm certain. I know I have to experiment more but this is promising.

Imagine the little 20something bitch that goes to clubs, makes out with a guy and then leaves with her friends.

You tease that girl this way and withhold the makeout and she is going to come home with you thinking the makeout barrier will keep her safe.

God I love this method!

I think you're absolutely right. Game has shifted, as it will continue to do.

Proper tension-building is key. I'm sure this is like a fingerprint, where we all do it differently. I've, for instance, really become interested in the artful use of eye contact. It's amazing how nuanced it can be. One of my classic (almost cheesy) moves: "teaching a dance move," with lingering hands on the small of the back or cupping the elbow with my hand is also pretty powerful. I'm experimenting with this new thing: "smell my new cologne." I bring their heads into my neck let them smell. I do the same. Commentary follows. A whole night of this bullshit, without any resolution, simply makes a girl frustrated and unsatisfied.

I've been getting (and noticing) a lot more girl-signaling in the last few months since using this approach. I've never seen so much lip-biting from girls in my life. At first, I thought it was in my imagination, but it's not. It's interesting because I love it when girls bite their lips (I think it's a hardwired signal for us). It's like they're telling you, "it's okay to kiss me" or "kiss me already." Fuck no, bitch. If I do, that might be the end of it. That's some subconscious-ass trap. Girls are trying to get what they want at the lowest possible price. A night of attention for a kiss, with no pussy-surrender is a rock-bottom bargain!

What's more, girls secretly want to be taken into a love nest and not know what's going to happen. They love uncertainty and surprise. If it weren't for girls, there would be no wrapping paper or $1.99-gift bags. Dudes would just hand a scented candle or set of headphones over to their homie and be like, "here you go, man."

ive gotta try the smell my new cologne one. that one sounds like a winner.

Post: #95

Original post is absolute fucking genius. Just my two cents.

Post: #96

Let's see what happens - got a first date tomorrow. Will try to follow as closely to the recipe as possible.

Post: #97

I just want to chime in and say that I implemented this gameplan to a T last night and came away with a victory. And I don’t even have tight game. Props to Tut.

Post: #98

So, I've successfully used this template on 4 girls.

Thanks again, Tuth!

And thanks, Roosh- this girl was from NY but had Danish ancestry. I actually used Jante Law as part of my material. My argument was that Jante Law was actually an elitist, possibly racist, system in itself because it does not accept other cultures' ways of being (like acting flamboyant- a quality that is common amongst a lot of Mediterranean people that I know).

And even when we had sex, she was doing everything possible to not boost my ego- she wouldn't even touch my dick with her hands! It was just straight to the fucking, and no blow-jobs or anything.

Anyway, there are still some kinks I'd like to get worked out.

One of the rough areas occurs when I make the suggestion of going back to my place. There's often some little thing they say like "Ok, but just to let you know, I've got to wake up really early..," or "Ok, but don't try touch me or anything like that."

I've handled these responses fairly easily: "Oh, that's cool, I have to wake up early too," and (agree and amplify, tease) "But my plan is to lure you back to my house and cut you up into little pieces etc." However, I'd like to avoid this bump in the road in the future. Any advice on how to sow a preventative tactic into the earlier part of the interaction is much appreciated.


The other is the LMR thing- it's very much along the same vibe as the aforementioned problem. Last night's girl was being so difficult. At one point I just said "You should kiss me," and she replied "I'm thinking about it." Then she went to the bathroom, came out, and starting straddling me. Soon after that she suggested we move it to the bed (leading could be a masculine Danish thing), with the preface "but we're not going to have sex."*

Of course I know that that this is a girl's famous last words, and we boned, raw. But, I want to get the first date bang recipe to a point where this kind of shit isn't coming up. Is that even possible, or is the FDBR so much of an overload that these meaningless token squeaks of resistance should just be expected?


*like the "no shoes house" line, I actually have a no-pants or socks in the bed rule.

Post: #99

(02-24-2012 08:15 PM)nmmoooreland20 Wrote:  I just want to chime in and say that I implemented this gameplan to a T last night and came away with a victory. And I don’t even have tight game. Props to Tut.

(02-25-2012 10:14 AM)soup Wrote:  So, I've successfully used this template on 4 girls.

Thanks again, Tuth!

Glad to hear this is yielding results. We now have quite a few confirmed bangs with this move.

(02-25-2012 10:14 AM)soup Wrote:  One of the rough areas occurs when I make the suggestion of going back to my place. There's often some little thing they say like "Ok, but just to let you know, I've got to wake up really early..," or "Ok, but don't try touch me or anything like that."

I've handled these responses fairly easily: "Oh, that's cool, I have to wake up early too," and (agree and amplify, tease) "But my plan is to lure you back to my house and cut you up into little pieces etc." However, I'd like to avoid this bump in the road in the future. Any advice on how to sow a preventative tactic into the earlier part of the interaction is much appreciated.

This is pretty much what I do, but I just bring it up earlier than they do. I invite them up for a drink or whatever, but in the same breath I'm quick to add the classic "PUA-style" line: "but, I'll have to kick you out after that because I have mad work to do still tonight."

If you're using the chop-you-up-into-little-pieces-joke (which I use almost identically), you can add this little ditty: "chopping you up into bits should only take like half-hour anyway." She'll chuckle or play along. "I'm getting pretty good at it."

Sometimes, I'll go on a little more to keep the fun, playful vibe and make progress to the apartment. "It's a shame, really. You seem kind of nice, unlike the other 100, who were total bitches."

Post: #100

"But, I want to get the first date bang recipe to a point where this kind of shit isn't coming up".

The receipe is perfect the way you're cooking it Each piece of fish brings slightly different variation of flavor & outcome..