Post: #1

So guys, we all know that both Toronto and DC suck big time. However in this battle of the Titans when it comes to the worst city in North America (probably in the entire world), which is the worst?

On one hand of the ring, you have the PC capital of the world, Toronto aka Boretown, full of betas, white knights, feminazi, mediocre to average girls believing they are princesses with a self worth and sense of entitlement as big as the Pacific Ocean. Throw into that depressing weather, horrible attitude which is more and more morphing into fatitude unfortunately and to make matters worst, it's overpriced as hell.

On the side of the ring, you have DC, Washington DC, the feminazi/femincunt capital of the world, full of betas, white knights, where mediocre to average girls believe they are princesses with a self worth and sense of entitlement as big as the Milky Way. Throw into that depressing weather, awful ratios of girls to guys in bars and clubs, rampant fatitude and overpriced as hell.

A glimpse of TO: http://torontoist.com/wp-content/uploads...tcar12.jpg

A glimpse of DC: http://i.imgur.com/0WlbK.jpg
Lovely, isn it? LOL

So my fellow Torontonians and DCites, who's the best of the worst? Come defend your city in the Battle of the Titans.

Post: #2

I think the difference is that DC has a constant flow of people in-and-out, it has cycles where things may go down but it also has periods when things go up. So DC's situation is subject to change. You might see new faces next year, for example.

But from what I gather, Toronto is consistently bad. Since it doesn't have the same traffic of people, Toronto's potential is much smaller than DC's. I'd rather be in DC than in Toronto, at least there's hope with DC.

Post: #3

I rather be in Toronto...why?

Because 1-to-1 1/2 hours away from DC is still the same women whereas 1-to-1 1/2 hours away from Toronto is where the easiest pussy is.

Post: #4

LOL This thread is going to be amazing.

Post: #5

(11-14-2011 10:15 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  I rather be in Toronto...why?

Because 1-to-1 1/2 hours away from DC is still the same women whereas 1-to-1 1/2 hours away from Toronto is where the easiest pussy is.

That sounds about right. You could just hit up London or any of those Uni towns about an hour an a half way for some easy poon.

I would say based on this Toronto wins this round... Barely.

Post: #6

I went DT Toronto on Saturday. Got to this decent club around 11, and saw a group of girls get out of a cab, entering the same time. Picked one out and said "hi" (or some greeting like that), got the "Toronto face" (unimpressed, ignoring, the look a queen gives to a peasent) and a shot reply. Randomly happend to cross paths with that girl again about an hour later in a VIP section. Asked how she was enjoying the place..."toronto face"/nonsense reply. About 1:30 I was ready to leave the place, and the doors were near the bathrooms, she was coming out. I bid her adieu, the third time I had seen her, in completely random places over the course of 2 and a half hours..."toronto face" and a reply of "yeaaaa".

I was dressed up pretty nicely, she wasn't that good looking, a generous 7. And in all that time, she couldn't warm-up in the slightest most human way. I was not being "creepy" or pushy or even gaming at that point, just socially humane, and was met with the ice-cold glare. I talked to other girls over the course of the evening, and even if nothing transpired, they weren't acting like I was personally resposinble for running over their dog.

Post: #7

Isn't the winner supposed to be the worst city? So the most dreadful city wins, right?

Post: #8

(11-14-2011 04:26 PM)Moma Wrote:  Isn't the winner supposed to be the worst city? So the most dreadful city wins, right?

Not sure LOL I guess winning in this case is not desirable. It's amazing no feminazi's or white knights have discovered this place yet(from either city) and come to defend their kin.

Post: #9

Lol I don't know why all of you have so much trouble in Toronto. I'm not gonna claim that I have amazing game, but it is decent, and I don't have a problem swooping birds here in Toronto. I really don't understand all the hate it gets. There are A LOT of cities in North America alone that are far worse than Tdot. Also, the city of Toronto and everything it offers makes it one of the best IN THE WORLD to live in. That's a proven fact already. And it is considered a top 5 city in North America.

I do not understand all the hate it gets. I don't want to offend anyone, but its either you aren't looking sharp, you aren't on top of your game, you don't know the city and therefore not going to the good spots, or you're just simply doing something wrong. The good clubs, bars and venues here in Toronto always have a good ratio and always have gorgeous women, just like any other city in the world. A girl is a girl, whether it's in Toronto or in Montreal or in Miami or in Chicago, they are still all the same.

Post: #10

"In Toronto, you can tell the people that are from out of town, because they are the ones that are smiling". I found the best company in downtown are girls that come from the suburbs. I went to uni in one of those towns 2 hours outside the city, and the form there is much better. No attitude of entitlement.

Sometimes when I am outside the city, talking to a girl, if I can tell things aren't going well early-on and there is little hope, I ask the girl "are you from Toronto by any chance?" more then half the time they act offended because they know exactly what I am implying LOL

Post: #11

(11-14-2011 04:56 PM)wolfpack10 Wrote:  "In Toronto, you can tell the people that are from out of town, because they are the ones that are smiling". I found the best company in downtown are girls that come from the suburbs. I went to uni in one of those towns 2 hours outside the city, and the form there is much better. No attitude of entitlement.

Sometimes when I am outside the city, talking to a girl, if I can tell things aren't going well early-on and there is little hope, I ask the girl "are you from Toronto by any chance?" more then half the time they act offended because they know exactly what I am implying LOL

LOL I gotta try this once just to get a reaction.

Post: #12

(11-14-2011 04:35 PM)1bliss Wrote:  The good clubs, bars and venues here in Toronto always have a good ratio and always have gorgeous women, just like any other city in the world.

Any other city in the world? Not the case in DC

Post: #13

(11-14-2011 04:16 PM)BC101 Wrote:  LOL This thread is going to be amazing.

Hell yeah

Post: #14

(11-14-2011 04:35 PM)1bliss Wrote:  Lol I don't know why all of you have so much trouble in Toronto. I'm not gonna claim that I have amazing game, but it is decent, and I don't have a problem swooping birds here in Toronto. I really don't understand all the hate it gets. There are A LOT of cities in North America alone that are far worse than Tdot. Also, the city of Toronto and everything it offers makes it one of the best IN THE WORLD to live in. That's a proven fact already. And it is considered a top 5 city in North America.

I do not understand all the hate it gets. I don't want to offend anyone, but its either you aren't looking sharp, you aren't on top of your game, you don't know the city and therefore not going to the good spots, or you're just simply doing something wrong. The good clubs, bars and venues here in Toronto always have a good ratio and always have gorgeous women, just like any other city in the world. A girl is a girl, whether it's in Toronto or in Montreal or in Miami or in Chicago, they are still all the same.

I mostly agree with this, and as a non-Torontonian Canuck I'm supposed to dislike the city. Within Canada, I much prefer Montreal, but Toronto just isn't that bad. I've always have a good time out there and the "T.O. attitude" is no worse, and usually better than, the attitude in the first tier city in any country in the world.

I think of Toronto as a more mediocre, bland version of New York City, with corresponding inferiority complex. It's 3/4 as good as NYC in almost every way, and when you're starting point is NYC, that ain't too bad. It's also one of the most, if not the most, international cities in the world with half the population born outside of Canada.

I personally haven't spent much time in DC but my initial impression is that it is worse. Being the lawyer capital of the world has a marked influence on the culture there.

Post: #15

(11-14-2011 04:35 PM)1bliss Wrote:  Lol I don't know why all of you have so much trouble in Toronto. I'm not gonna claim that I have amazing game, but it is decent, and I don't have a problem swooping birds here in Toronto. I really don't understand all the hate it gets. There are A LOT of cities in North America alone that are far worse than Tdot. Also, the city of Toronto and everything it offers makes it one of the best IN THE WORLD to live in. That's a proven fact already. And it is considered a top 5 city in North America.

I do not understand all the hate it gets. I don't want to offend anyone, but its either you aren't looking sharp, you aren't on top of your game, you don't know the city and therefore not going to the good spots, or you're just simply doing something wrong. The good clubs, bars and venues here in Toronto always have a good ratio and always have gorgeous women, just like any other city in the world. A girl is a girl, whether it's in Toronto or in Montreal or in Miami or in Chicago, they are still all the same.

Every guy needs to find his niche, but for a guy who can only day game thats hard as hell.

Dude I get that if you have tight game you'll do well in Toronto.

The problem is Toronto gives you very few results for your effort. Most guys don't have tight game, I know I don't. I know guys who kill it in Toronto, but to reach that level I'll need 2 to 3 years.

Is it a coincidence that the only girls who are friendly are almost always from the far suburbs or are tourists?

Post: #16

Never been to DC, but Toronto is awesome.

If you can't pick up in Toronto, then your game sucks, and you can't pick up anywhere.

You are a victim of your own horrible success, and thus externalize it onto your surroundings.

Toronto is amazing, and I'm sure DC is as well.

Moral of the story? If you can't get pickup, it's cause your game sucks, get out of your comfort zone, and improve it, k thnx!

Post: #17

real2 is turning into one of Tuth's trolls.

Post: #18

(11-14-2011 06:45 PM)real2 Wrote:  Never been to DC, but Toronto is awesome.

If you can't pick up in Toronto, then your game sucks, and you can't pick up anywhere.

You are a victim of your own horrible success, and thus externalize it onto your surroundings.

Toronto is amazing, and I'm sure DC is as well.

Moral of the story? If you can't get pickup, it's cause your game sucks, get out of your comfort zone, and improve it, k thnx!

Post: #19

(11-14-2011 06:45 PM)real2 Wrote:  Never been to DC, but Toronto is awesome.

If you can't pick up in Toronto, then your game sucks, and you can't pick up anywhere.

You are a victim of your own horrible success, and thus externalize it onto your surroundings.

Toronto is amazing, and I'm sure DC is as well.

Moral of the story? If you can't get pickup, it's cause your game sucks, get out of your comfort zone, and improve it, k thnx!

Well thats us told.

Post: #20

Bliss,
Toronto can be a great place to raise a family...have a career and build a traditional life (in the sense of getting a career and raising a family) and a great place to live...that is until you go overseas and see how it is elsewhere.

You see, the problem starts as soon as you wander oustide of North America, say in places like Brasil, Colombia, Eastern Europe or South East Asia. When you come accross places where people are cool, where normal human interactions can still be had with total strangers of both sexes mind you, where the weather is nice year long, where the women are women, that is feminine and not trying hard to be men on top of being beautiful and friendly and to boot everything off, when everything is 1/3 to 1/4 of what you pay in TO, it hits you like a brick of wall in your face that damn, why am I wasting my time in Toronto? Of course, if you haven't had a chance yet to go to these places, you would not know nor understand. Words cannot describe how it until you personally have had a taste of it, a taste of the good life.
I urge you to take the plunge and go see and experience this for yourself. But let me warn you, once you do, you'll never be the same person as you'll question the very reason of why you're doing what you may doing now....

(11-14-2011 04:35 PM)1bliss Wrote:  Lol I don't know why all of you have so much trouble in Toronto. I'm not gonna claim that I have amazing game, but it is decent, and I don't have a problem swooping birds here in Toronto. I really don't understand all the hate it gets. There are A LOT of cities in North America alone that are far worse than Tdot. Also, the city of Toronto and everything it offers makes it one of the best IN THE WORLD to live in. That's a proven fact already. And it is considered a top 5 city in North America.

I do not understand all the hate it gets. I don't want to offend anyone, but its either you aren't looking sharp, you aren't on top of your game, you don't know the city and therefore not going to the good spots, or you're just simply doing something wrong. The good clubs, bars and venues here in Toronto always have a good ratio and always have gorgeous women, just like any other city in the world. A girl is a girl, whether it's in Toronto or in Montreal or in Miami or in Chicago, they are still all the same.

Post: #21

Reel is probably a chick or a white knight/beta. LOL

Post: #22

(11-14-2011 07:27 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  Reel is probably a chick or a white knight/beta. LOL

You met him remember?

His game is actually really great. Thats why he thinks Toronto is great, since he bangs really hot girls every weekend.

Post: #23

Oh, is that your blond friend we met? In that case, I take back what I said, apologies. He is a geniune playa. Saw him in action and can attest he's good (if he's that blond friend of yours T-kid). If he gets his acts together, that is make a lot of cash and start travelling the world, he can be the next Mixx.

Post: #24

You have to work twice...three...four times as hard here in T.O. the fact that so many dudes are echoing the same things I have been observing and experiencing has just re-affirmed my thoughts that the city is flawed. Comparisons to NYC are another thing that shoots TO in the foot. Does NYC get compared to anything? Does D.C. get compared to NYC? Does Chicago? No. Toronto continually must get pegged to its mammoth big brother in which it can't compete. I've always argued Toronto has no soul, no vibe, because its citizens fail to fill its soul with any type of substance. Toronto folk run off to London, NYC, and wherever else to copy culture then come back here and front on it like it’s their own lol.

D.C. was created for the specific purpose of being a cesspool of bureaucracy, government and related institutions. Toronto was created to be nothing more then a sleepy industrial post on the lake. Only after the St. Lawrence Seaway and Montreal's radical implosion did it become a "metropolis". The City was never meant to be on the world stage, it was the kid who had to step in for Payton Manning when he got hurt. And has been playing catch-up ever since. You can see this in the way the City looks and the demeanour of its established residents. Two words that can describe TO are ... (1) Cheap and (2) Cold.

Toronto has a lot of good qualities to it. I still enjoy being able to go to a ton of great shows. I love music and I'm a big underground head so a lot of acts that would miss my old home town always roll through here. Summer time is nice here you get a lot of tourists in and you can ignore the frumpy screw faced locals lol.

The niche thing is key. I am really not one to try and find a pack or unit to roll with. I am my own unit so I haven't attempted to fake something about myself to gain social status from some obscure group. You have your list of randoms you chill with whom don't really matter that much. I feel that's what the majority of relationships in the City are of. People have their tight unit then a larger group of randoms they fit in into the puzzle as they go along.

In comparing the two, - I have not ventured to D.C. but I study City policy and have a good understand of how the majority of Cities in North America "feel", and "Act" from reading books and reading personal accounts on everyday life. I would say D.C. women are probably less attractive, and the looser robotic "go-getter" attitude can get annoying, but being so close to I-95 and close to a host of options not to far away I would see that as the biggest plus. Also the DMV is way more diverse than the GTA (character wise not ethnic wise of course), yea Brampton and Markham are like night and day people wise but its still the same tacky TO vibe present.

I do honestly think though that these two cities are by far the worst as far as large metros go. We can cry for the people in Kenosha but they aren't on the same level as these two Cities. As far as "first-tier" Cities go. D.C. and T.O. are easily the worst. Vancouver sucks too but the people there are at least more warmish, they just don't have the quality we do and their nightlife is weak.


I do view TO as a challenge if I am going through this process of becoming a better men and fluent in game then I do accept the challenge of trying to conquer this soulless metropolis.

Post: #25

(11-14-2011 07:33 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  Oh, is that your blond friend we met? In that case, I take back what I said, apologies. He is a geniune playa. Saw him in action and can attest he's good (if he's that blond friend of yours T-kid). If he gets his acts together, that is make a lot of cash and start travelling the world, he can be the next Mixx.

He wants to move to South America, he's never gonna want to come back after visiting there if what you say about Brazil is true!