Post: #26

You should have the guts to question your assumptions and investigate the issue with an open mind, instead of being religiously committed to the dogmas of climate change, as the real picture is far more complex that the one presented by the medias.

Post: #27

Guys, guys, let's get back on topic.

We are being way to pessimistic. 5 years ago, would you have thought Donald Trump would be running for president with a plan to deport every single illegal immigrant and ban Muslims from entering the United States?

Doesn't matter whether they are Americanized. Let's by hyperbolic and say the ratio goes from 1:1 to 2:1. Now there is a huge increase in supply of women, huge decrease in supply of beta attention, more competition amongst American females. If American females suddenly stop being bombarded with validation because males are too busy with their foreign feminine counterparts, they will shape up a lot quicker. American females simply have abundance mentality x1000.

Look at the male order bride business. BOOMING. Hot females are DYING to come to this country. Why not change our immigration policy to favor the female to male ratio for once?

Nowhere did I mention any specific race/type of women. They could be from the FSU, Italy, Africa, South America, SEA, etc.

Trump can spin this in a PC way by: "These women are suffering under oppressive conditions in their home country. They are experiencing x and y negative things. We will also immigrate to match our demographics. So if blacks are 12% of the population, 12% of the female immigrants will be black."

Sell it as a sob story, get the married females on board. Throw the single females (who don't vote for us anyway) under the bus. This would be the ultimate power move.

Post: #28

Easy Answer:

Post: #29

A lot of the issue comes down to $$$. Children are not an economic asset like they were during the agrarian days and before the rise of the welfare state. You needed kids to survive in your waning years.

This is not entirely new problem. Emperor Vespasian instituted monetary incentives for upper class Romans to have more children (they were having them below replacement rate at the time). Russia is doing the same now desperately trying to get its non-Islamic birthrate up.

You also have death by a thousand cuts with our current laws. An example: When I was a little kid, Mom or Dad could load a bunch of kids in the car and go somewhere. Today my parents would have been fined or worse as none of were wearing seat belts let alone had car seats. Its a big operation now to a mom to get her kids all strapped in to go. Leave your kid alone in the house? My mom left me alone for hours at a time. Today, she would be arrested.

Has all this made kids "safer". Yes.. but sane, intelligent adults have fewer kids because of the increased time an effort you have to put into each one.

For birth rates to go up, you need to financially incentivize children and (this is the hard part) de-feminize the culture. It is the feminine hyper protectiveness that has made parents prisoners to their children.

Post: #30

^ Your last sentence is spot on ... and also explains the nanny state.

Every historian who ever studied the fall of empires always noticed the complaint of feminization of the society before its downfall ...

Post: #31

Incentivize !

Post: #32

Easy. Make sex with them bitches, promise to pull out but don't, ban pokemon.

Post: #33

(08-05-2016 12:11 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  ^ Your last sentence is spot on ... and also explains the nanny state.

Every historian who ever studied the fall of empires always noticed the complaint of feminization of the society before its downfall ...

I just noticed what my brother went through with his two boys. He lives in a gated, nearly mono-ethnic community, yes he could never tell his kids to just "go outside and play".

I think never being able to send the kids out on their own really drained him and his wife physically and emotionally. The only way he could get his kids with other kids was to enroll them in structured activities... which of course requires getting the kids to specific places and specific times.

Post: #34

(08-05-2016 12:54 AM)Spindis Wrote:  Stop breeding with foreigners! Pick a good white girl to have your babies and have a ton.

You're suggesting I have sex with a good white girl? Good idea! I'll do that tonight Spindis.

Post: #35

"Stop breeding with foreigners! Pick a good white girl to have your babies and have a ton."

I've heard people talk about these "good white girls" but I don't know anyone who's actually dated or married one.

Is it just an issue with my social circle, you think?

Post: #36

Start replacing birth control pills with tic tacs.

Post: #37

(08-05-2016 11:46 AM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  A lot of the issue comes down to $$$. Children are not an economic asset like they were during the agrarian days and before the rise of the welfare state. You needed kids to survive in your waning years.

This is not entirely new problem. Emperor Vespasian instituted monetary incentives for upper class Romans to have more children (they were having them below replacement rate at the time). Russia is doing the same now desperately trying to get its non-Islamic birthrate up.

You also have death by a thousand cuts with our current laws. An example: When I was a little kid, Mom or Dad could load a bunch of kids in the car and go somewhere. Today my parents would have been fined or worse as none of were wearing seat belts let alone had car seats. Its a big operation now to a mom to get her kids all strapped in to go. Leave your kid alone in the house? My mom left me alone for hours at a time. Today, she would be arrested.

Has all this made kids "safer". Yes.. but sane, intelligent adults have fewer kids because of the increased time an effort you have to put into each one.

For birth rates to go up, you need to financially incentivize children and (this is the hard part) de-feminize the culture. It is the feminine hyper protectiveness that has made parents prisoners to their children.

I agree, tax incentives need to be in place to offset negative incentives.

1. Make marital tax brackets significantly wider than individual. ie. 25% tax on individuals starting at $42K/year, martial starting at $100k/year
2. An allowance for couples with a stay at home mother to claim the equivalent child care tax credit as working couples who pay that to daycare
3. Add a 50% bonus to the child tax credit for couples that are married filing jointly
4. Create a bonus child care credit for families that surpass replacement birth rates, ie. bonus for having 3 or more kids.

Reduce the incentive to be a single mother
1. Reduce the income thresholds for EITC, foodstamps and daycare subsidies to 50% of the poverty level, not 200%.
2. As said above, alter child support laws to be based on cost of living indices for where the child is, not income.

Reduce the incentive to retire on the government
1. Make children eligible to act as medicare vendors when providing home care for aged parents

Right now the system incentivizes a) SINGLE motherhood, popping out at thousand kids to max out benefits and live in near poverty vs. working or b) SINGLE career womaning, where you are your own boss after getting divorced or providing no incentive to get off the cock carousel and have a family.

If there were better incentives to get married, stay married, and pop out kids people would do it.

Post: #38

(08-04-2016 10:17 PM)mostlykelp Wrote:  We need less children in the world, not more.

What's up with trolls buying gold thinking it's going to offer some cover?

By the way, this is the bullshit propaganda white boomers bought into up through the 70's which resulted in declining birth rates, which led to the massive importation of 3rd world immigrants.

You're an idiot.

Post: #39

I heard some guys online talking about how they needed to find good wives, and make big white families with lots of kids.
It's simple, they said. All you have to do is get out of the big, sinful cities, and into the countryside where there are plenty of nice girls that hate divorce, would never cheat, and have great athletic bodies from helping on the farm all day.
There was universal agreement that this was the path you needed to follow if you wanted to ditch the player lifestyle and transition into being a patriarch. If someone couldn't find a nice girl they had only themselves to blame.

I asked the group, "Have any of you moved out to the countryside and married a girl you met there? Do you know anyone who has?"

Dead silence.

Post: #40

(08-05-2016 03:29 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I heard some guys online talking about how they needed to find good wives, and make big white families with lots of kids.
It's simple, they said. All you have to do is get out of the big, sinful cities, and into the countryside where there are plenty of nice girls that hate divorce,

I was a Vermont resident for a while. A lot of those "moral" country people were on welfare and addicted to some form of illegal narcotics. 20 years later after my residency.. still the same.. just the drug of choice has moved from cocaine to heroin. The women up there were overwhelmingly trashy and fat. Maybe the country in the Midwest or West is different than New England.

Unless you are a farmer, work in a quarry, or work in the tourist trades, there is just no work to be had... or at least a job that pays well.

Post: #41

Reform social security to pay based on the income of your children and grandchildren or at least the number you have. 50% base plus 25% more for each kid you have. Set the base as low as required to make the numbers work.

Post: #42

The problem with financial incentives:

It can make our Byzantine tax code even worse. I have had a small business in the past. The cost of compliance is really burdensome at times. My personal taxes are well beyond a simple 1040 at this point.

Under our current PC / SJW culture, the incentives will probably go to the wrong people. You want high IQ women to have the kids as they are more likely to have high IQ children and provide a more stable household. We have already created multi-generations of mouth breathers who subsist on the welfare rolls. How do you keep incentives from becoming welfare?

The cultural shift would have to be huge. I remember reading a science article about human evolution and how it conflicts with modern society at times. One point the article brought up that age a woman can best bear children (physically) is about age 17. That age would have daddy end up on a sex offenders database in many states. So if you want a woman to have 3+ kids, she basically has to pop out two between ages 18 and 25. After 25, the baby making parts start to degrade. This would end higher education for women or delay it until say their 30s. Women with careers would be rare.

I don't see such a massive cultural reset coming, unless there is some huge event: i.e. a new Great Depression, a major war, some sort world wide disaster. So big the current social fabric is shredded to ribbons.

Post: #43

Increase the child deduction to 20k. Plenty of things you can do as long as you tax heavily people without children and do it in such a way that it doesn't promote poor people to have too many or taper off to make it less worthwhile for those with money.

Only count legitimate children of people who are still married.

You literally write into law how you want society to look.

Post: #44

How can we restore them? Quickest answer is fuck girls raw and bust inside. If they want an abortion try to talk them out of it and don't offer any financial help if they want to go through with it. Another answer would be to have sex with non-white women. Black and latinas have much higher birthrates than whites, partially because a lot of them are not as adamant about contraception, and they tend to be more religious and do not believe in abortion.

In the grand scheme of things, the entire culture needs to change and it won't happen in our generation and might not even happen in the next generation. There needs to be incentive to have families as opposed to steering clear of them. The government, education system, and the media has been programming the population for nearly half a century now to chase higher education, careerism, money, adventure, and individualism over family, community, god, and country. Most typical millennials see having a child as essentially a life ruining event. It will take a lot of reprogramming to reverse that notion.

Post: #45

(08-05-2016 04:20 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  The cultural shift would have to be huge. I remember reading a science article about human evolution and how it conflicts with modern society at times. One point the article brought up that age a woman can best bear children (physically) is about age 17. That age would have daddy end up on a sex offenders database in many states. So if you want a woman to have 3+ kids, she basically has to pop out two between ages 18 and 25. After 25, the baby making parts start to degrade. This would end higher education for women or delay it until say their 30s. Women with careers would be rare.

I don't see such a massive cultural reset coming, unless there is some huge event: i.e. a new Great Depression, a major war, some sort world wide disaster. So big the current social fabric is shredded to ribbons.

Well, the cultural shift will happen one way or another. A few more generations of below replacement birthrates will leave the feminists much depleted in numbers and outnumbered by those that have above replacement birthrates - i.e. unassimilated immigrants and descendants thereof. Of course, Western culture would be replaced along with it. The future belongs to those that show up for it.

Post: #46

How middle class families raise their girls:

1). Give them boys names, like Madison, Drew, Sawyer, and Owen.

2). Get them into competitive sports as young as possible.

3). Push them into an intensive, career-oriented academic schedule.

4). Strongly discourage relationships when they're teens.

4). Have them go to college with little or no supervision so they can find themselves.

5). Have them go into the working world on demanding, high-pressure career track.

You know what I just really described? The way Americans RAISED THEIR SONS IN THE 1950s. This is the way we raise girls now.

We're raising girls as boys. We won't get the fertility rate back until we start raising them as girls again.

Post: #47

Feminism is the most effective means of population control known.

Post: #48

I love proposals like this, because they are realistic calls for action. This is totally doable, and we can expect to see a positive payoff in about 9 months.

So many plans in the manosphere are idealistic, but are never going to happen in the real world. Thank goodness for an actual, actionable plan.

Post: #49

(08-05-2016 03:15 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:17 PM)mostlykelp Wrote:  We need less children in the world, not more.

What's up with trolls buying gold thinking it's going to offer some cover?

By the way, this is the bullshit propaganda white boomers bought into up through the 70's which resulted in declining birth rates, which led to the massive importation of 3rd world immigrants.

You're an idiot.

Nah, you're an idiot. And continue to use the term troll more liberally, there's no way that term is overused.

Post: #50

Unless you plan to purchase a media outlet and embark on a massive countrywide brainwashing operation or you plan to run for office and change policy that way then you're just wasting your time mentally masturbating over something that will never happen.

Fact is that the only thing you have control over in life is yourself. If this is the way you want to live your life then go ahead... but you run into problems when it comes to controlling the behaviors of other people. People aren't having kids and whether you like it or not.. it's their personal decision... its better to focus on living the best life for you...