Post: #1

I got together with ROK writer Kyle Trouble to discuss these two countries and their women. Here is the result, which came out quite thorough:

Quote:I invite Eastern European travel expert Kyle Trouble for a comprehensive discussion on Polish and Ukrainian girls, in addition to examining each country's culture and living standard. We focus on sharing the ideal type of game that is necessary to succeed for both casual encounters and long-term relationships that could lead to marriage and family creation. For Western men who are dissatisfied with their women, Poland and Ukraine may offer a viable path to more fulfilling intimate relationships.

Post: #2

I got through it in short stints, to summarize, poland is declining, good place to get easy lays but might not be so easy anymore, maybe consider 3rd tier cities for LTR prospects. Ukraine is a good place to get a wife but dating requires a lot of investment before sex, not that many sluts and longer stays recommended.

There's no new content in this if you frequently read the corresponding forum threads, the Roosh blog posts and ROK, this gets covered a lot so no surprises there. Otherwise worth a listen if you are new to both topics for an overview of each location.

I disagree with a few points made on Poland, but it's a lot to type out considering the general observations are mostly correct (as they have been repeated many times anyway), also I'm more concerned about LTR related stuff and proper settling in than short term visits so my input isn't so relevant anyway.

Edit: Also just throwing it out there I would've liked to have seen JB do this topic with you instead of Kyle, slightly biased cause we both lived in the same city but even then hes fluent in Russian and has good Polish, could've added another dimension to your discussions.

Post: #3

Great perspective. Looking forward to visiting both places. One that that was pointed out about Ukraine and I already heard from other people was that the girls will question you as to why you're there. What kind of back story works best with these women?

Post: #4

I agree 100% with this podcast.
I'm now in Warsaw at the moment ( I will drop a datasheet later) and especially the words : if you're a guy with blonde hair or faired skin, Colombia or Brazilië is waiting your buddy will stay in my head.
I'm a white tall guy and i'm struggling to get laid here, i nowhere near felt the love that i felt in asian countries like japan or china or Korea. What also should mentioned in the podcast is that Polish girls are extremly flakey. Tinder game sucks here, nightgame is difficult to pull ONS and here in Warsaw , the parties are huge cockfests, daygame is so-so.

In general, Warsaw is just not worth the investment and it's nearly any better than other any western city.

Post: #5

Thanks for having me on Roosh. Hope the forum enjoys it.

Post: #6

I loved how Kyle and rooshv mentioned how girls are overvaluing Universities. Ive been hearing a lot of that tripe from young girls in the Ukraine and Russia.

Everytime I try to negotiate a time to meet school takes priority over everything. For the longest time I thought they were just lying to me so they could slut up with other men but no these girls think their lives will be awesome once they complete their degree. I've even asked these girls how much they would make in a month once they became a doctor/teacher/whatever and they're like 200 dollars a month. To which I chastise them for and get subsequently blown out for (I know it's​ poor form, I can't resist).

Post: #7

(03-15-2017 01:33 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  I loved how Kyle and rooshv mentioned how girls are overvaluing Universities. Ive been hearing a lot of that tripe from young girls in the Ukraine and Russia.

Everytime I try to negotiate a time to meet school takes priority over everything. For the longest time I thought they were just lying to me so they could slut up with other men but no these girls think their lives will be awesome once they complete their degree. I've even asked these girls how much they would make in a month once they became a doctor/teacher/whatever and they're like 200 dollars a month. To which I chastise them for and get subsequently blown out for (I know it's​ poor form, I can't resist).

Liberal arts degrees are important!

Post: #8

(03-15-2017 01:24 PM)SpursFan741 Wrote:  In general, for me, Warsaw is nearly any step up in comparison with another western city and not worth the ROI at all.

I'm not understanding. There may be multiple typos in this sentence.

Post: #9

(03-15-2017 01:24 PM)SpursFan741 Wrote:  I agree 100% with this podcast.
I'm now in Warsaw at the moment ( I will drop a datasheet later) and especially the words : if you're a guy with blonde hair or faired skin, Colombia or Brazilië is waiting your buddy will stay in my head.
I'm a white tall guy and i'm struggling to get laid here, i nowhere near felt the love that i felt in asian countries like japan or china or Korea. What also should mentioned in the podcast is that Polish girls are extremly flakey. Tinder game sucks here, nightgame is difficult to pull ONS and here in Warsaw , the parties are huge cockfests, daygame is so-so.

In general, Warsaw is just not worth the investment and it's nearly any better than other any western city.

I may rather live in NYC than Warsaw.

Post: #10

(03-15-2017 01:33 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  I loved how Kyle and rooshv mentioned how girls are overvaluing Universities. Ive been hearing a lot of that tripe from young girls in the Ukraine and Russia.

Everytime I try to negotiate a time to meet school takes priority over everything. For the longest time I thought they were just lying to me so they could slut up with other men but no these girls think their lives will be awesome once they complete their degree. I've even asked these girls how much they would make in a month once they became a doctor/teacher/whatever and they're like 200 dollars a month. To which I chastise them for and get subsequently blown out for (I know it's​ poor form, I can't resist).

Well burner, lets say you are a ukrainian girl.

Your mother is probably a single mom. Your father may be an alcoholic or left your mom. Or maybe you have a decent but poor family. You go to uni hoping itll make you money for a better life some day.

In comes a horny westerner coming to fuck you. He comes for a few weeks, racks up notches and leaves.
He has a western income but probably calculates to keep his taxi/date costs low.

He asks you out but you are busy with school work. Then he chastizes you because you dont leave school for dates and sex.

What alternative is this guy offering you? Leave school for a few minutes of fun with me.
Or are you going there and offering to marry/provide for them?

You mock the 200, well are you gonna be sending her 300?

Post: #11

(03-15-2017 01:49 PM)Beirut Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 01:33 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  I loved how Kyle and rooshv mentioned how girls are overvaluing Universities. Ive been hearing a lot of that tripe from young girls in the Ukraine and Russia.

Everytime I try to negotiate a time to meet school takes priority over everything. For the longest time I thought they were just lying to me so they could slut up with other men but no these girls think their lives will be awesome once they complete their degree. I've even asked these girls how much they would make in a month once they became a doctor/teacher/whatever and they're like 200 dollars a month. To which I chastise them for and get subsequently blown out for (I know it's​ poor form, I can't resist).

Well burner, lets say you are a ukrainian girl.

Your mother is probably a single mom. Your father may be an alcoholic or left your mom. Or maybe you have a decent but poor family. You go to uni hoping itll make you money for a better life some day.

In comes a horny westerner coming to fuck you. He comes for a few weeks, racks up notches and leaves.
He has a western income but probably calculates to keep his taxi/date costs low.

He asks you out but you are busy with school work. Then he chastizes you because you dont leave school for dates and sex.

What alternative is this guy offering you? Leave school for a few minutes of fun with me.
Or are you going there and offering to marry/provide for them?

You mock the 200, well are you gonna be sending her 300?

Yeah I'll be sending her 300 if she quits this fruitless pursuit and becomes a house wife. To which they gasp in horror and make some excuse they can't trust me because if I dumped them they would be in bad shape.

Post: #12

So you proposed marriage to ukrainian girls and that was their reaction?

Post: #13

Some bad news on the Ukraine front, Ryanair will begin operating flights there

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/trans...-1.3011313

And with that it will become flooded with UK stag party groups, like you see in Prague and Budapest.

Post: #14

(03-15-2017 02:00 PM)Beirut Wrote:  So you proposed marriage to ukrainian girls and that was their reaction?

Yes. Do I just next her?

Tfw a podcast thread becomes a thread about me

Post: #15

Im not attacking you, im attacking the idea of foreign (or local) men chastizing girls for not being traditional minded for them even though most of what they do is go there to rack up notches, save money, and are not willing to be traditional men themselves.

I include myself among those also, btw.

I just find it hard to believe you have a significant sample size of ukrainian women that youve had long term relationships (long enough) to credibly propose for marriage and got turned down.

I do believe you got turned down for dates by tinder matches and the likes who were busy with school, and i totally understand why they would do that.

Post: #16

(03-15-2017 02:01 PM)jc7000kk Wrote:  Some bad news on the Ukraine front, Ryanair will begin operating flights there

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/trans...-1.3011313

And with that it will become flooded with UK stag party groups, like you see in Prague and Budapest.

I doubt it. Unlike Hungary and Czech there is no EU money for Ukranians to put up with that shit. If they (british stags) behave the same they will get their ass beaten or worse. Ukraine is at war and in deep perpetual socio economical crisis, many people have nothing to loose if they beat up or scamm one of those suckers.

If one day they enter EU which I doubt, then yes, it will be hell unleashed on former pussy paradise.

Post: #17

Good podcast, but just for westerners that never been to EE.

Did not see much value added by Kyle, seems like he spent relatively short time there, it might be even more authentic to talk with local guy that's aware of game and red-pill. For example confusing "sweetness" with "innocence", I guess that's just the fact that westerners are used to interacting with entitled whores most of their life and the sweetness fucked up their perspective and reading of social cues.

Kudos for mentioning the red-flag about girls travelling to warm near sea countries. Once a girl says that, just think about her as a cum dumpster.

It takes much more to figure out if chick is a whore. One of my regulars is a girl that did not drink, go to clubs, seemed very solid overall but a slut anyway. - Crash their social media and read the messages from past few years if you are serious about it, no way around it.

Never seen those dark types that you praise so much pull anything better than 5-7, mostly chubby. The best ones tend to avoid this. Would like to see reactions from family or social circle if the chick brought around dark skinned guy.

P.S. : Anyone has a clue why heads of polish guys look almost always like potatoes?

Post: #18

(03-15-2017 02:13 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 02:01 PM)jc7000kk Wrote:  Some bad news on the Ukraine front, Ryanair will begin operating flights there

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/trans...-1.3011313

And with that it will become flooded with UK stag party groups, like you see in Prague and Budapest.

I doubt it. Unlike Hungary and Czech there is no EU money for Ukranians to put up with that shit. If they (british stags) behave the same they will get their ass beaten or worse. Ukraine is at war and in deep perpetual socio economical crisis, many people have nothing to loose if they beat up or scamm one of those suckers.

If one day they enter EU which I doubt, then yes, it will be hell unleashed on former pussy paradise.

It will mean a lot more British men will come to Ukraine and date the women. This is no small development.

Oh well, fuck it. Ukraine already has so many direct flights from middle eastern countries. It might as well be Brits that have direct access from now on. Better them than the slime-ball Turks that crowd every club and fill the streets bringing their weird attitudes and culture with them.

Brits will be stronger competition than most male tourists that currently come to the country. Say hello to a lot more London-style day gamers as well dudes with more cash to blow on sponsor girls.

Post: #19

Wouldn't it make sense for these EE women in uni to put out a few or couple hours out of your day for Mr provider-for-life? Surely her degree in "financials" and "pedagogy" can't trump spending time with him right? But it does and it makes no sense to me at all unless these women believe they will be superstars right out of uni and it'll all be unicorns and rainbows.

Post: #20

(03-15-2017 02:33 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Wouldn't it make sense for these EE women in uni to put out a few or couple hours out of your day for Mr provider-for-life? Surely her degree in "financials" and "pedagogy" can't trump spending time with him right? But it does and it makes no sense to me at all unless these women believe they will be superstars right out of uni and it'll all be unicorns and rainbows.

Social pressure and from family as well. Generation of her parents probably could not go to uni cause communism and are trying to get their kids to finish uni and get title no matter what.

Heard from some of the good ones that they would rather get pregnant from some 10 years older guy and raise family than to continue their med school.

On the other hand I have heard some parents dropping lines like "By 24 you should have at least first kid" but pushing for the education as well.

Post: #21

After a quick Google search, Ukraine airlines already flies direct to Kiev from London. Around $100 one-way. Is another slightly cheaper airline flying to Kiev going to make all the difference for Brits flying to Ukraine? I doubt it.

Post: #22

Quote:It will mean a lot more British men will come to Ukraine and date the women. This is no small development.

Oh well, fuck it. Ukraine already has so many direct flights from middle eastern countries. It might as well be Brits that have direct access from now on. Better them than the slime-ball Turks that crowd every club and fill the streets bringing their weird attitudes and culture with them.

Brits will be stronger competition than most male tourists that currently come to the country. Say hello to a lot more London-style day gamers as well dudes with more cash to blow on sponsor girls.

I'm trying to be positive as I can't imagine this haven of remaining femininity ruined by low value idiots.

I wonder how many flights -- if only one or two flights, it won't be that bad. And also whether the Stag idiots will bother to change their current hot spots. US frats/idiots seem to still favor their own hotspots (Cancun? Bahamas?)

Already, the EU gives Ukraine preferential visa treatment, they have to only pay 35 euros (USA charges something like $160) and the waiting period is only 10 calendar days.

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/sites/...ine_en.pdf

Also, as of now and for some time, direct flights from Istanbul are cheap for Turks, they were something like $100-200, and visa-free of course.

All these, and still, Ukraine not ruined.

Post: #23

(03-15-2017 02:43 PM)Uruz Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 02:33 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Wouldn't it make sense for these EE women in uni to put out a few or couple hours out of your day for Mr provider-for-life? Surely her degree in "financials" and "pedagogy" can't trump spending time with him right? But it does and it makes no sense to me at all unless these women believe they will be superstars right out of uni and it'll all be unicorns and rainbows.

Social pressure and from family as well. Generation of her parents probably could not go to uni cause communism and are trying to get their kids to finish uni and get title no matter what.

Heard from some of the good ones that they would rather get pregnant from some 10 years older guy and raise family than to continue their med school.

On the other hand I have heard some parents dropping lines like "By 24 you should have at least first kid" but pushing for the education as well.

in Soviet Union everyone was a doctor or engineer...no joke.

Guess that Western propaganda that Soviet people where all sub-human backward peasants is still strong))) thank god!

The studies thing is just an excuse to not meet, at least in Ukraine. Polish are more obsessed with career and all o that stuff.

Post: #24

Not sure about USSR but other socialist countries had really high birth rate in generation of todays parents, this resulted in sending many smart kids to study "cashier" and some dumb ones to study chemistry, even the post war generation had hard time to get to uni if they were active catholics etc. So the parents now are sending their kids to study uni even if the degree is just a paper for the most part.

Of course, no excuse about her studying, uni sluts got more time than homeless person. They basically just party and fuck on their parents expense.

Post: #25

I might have seen it somewhere here but it would be quite accurate to state that Czech/hungarian girls want to get fucked, Polish/Slovak girls want to have a boyfriend and Ukrainian girls want to get married.