Post: #26

There are reportedly over 75million people in the US now participating in fantasy football (FF) of one kind or another. Thats 2 in 10 Americans.

NY Post Fantasy Football

Quote:The Fantasy Sports Trade Association (FSTA) said that nearly 57 million people age 12 and above in the US and Canada played fantasy sports in 2014. Participation has grown dramatically over the past few years, according to FSTA.

I honestly think FF has converted the traditional fans that followed one favorite team to a more diluted fan base that watches individual players instead. The interest level is higher when someone actually has something at stake

Why spend hundreds of $ going to watch one game when you can stay home or at the sports bar and watch em all for free or almost free?

And oh yeah...WB

Post: #27

(09-15-2017 12:43 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:42 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 09:53 AM)Suits Wrote:  I blame the Legend Football League for stealing viewership.

I've gone to a few games (friends own a box for a certain arena).

These girls don't fuck around and get nastier than dudes on the grass.

Definitely weirdest boners ever.


Time and time again - PC kills viewership.

Females are vicious in any sport. Soccer, lacrosse, volleyball, etc. They go for blood.

Worst I've seen is water polo and soccer - bitches be crazy.

Post: #28

I started the NFL thread, I was a die hard fan for decades.

The breast cancer thing grinds me and annoys me to no end. What the fuck about a disease that kills men like prostate cancer.

Turned on Monday night to see my beloved Chargers, they had a woman calling the plays. I stayed with it for like 5 minutes, thinking she must be a sideline reporter. When I realized she wasn't, I turned off the TV and went to bed.

The West is fucked, the agenda to turn men into women is stupid.

Post: #29

(09-15-2017 12:43 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:43 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:42 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 09:53 AM)Suits Wrote:  I blame the Legend Football League for stealing viewership.

I've gone to a few games (friends own a box for a certain arena).

These girls don't fuck around and get nastier than dudes on the grass.

Definitely weirdest boners ever.


Time and time again - PC kills viewership.

Females are vicious in any sport. Soccer, lacrosse, volleyball, etc. They go for blood.

Worst I've seen is water polo and soccer - bitches be crazy.

The bodies of water polo chicks are very masculine. Broad shoulders, very muscular, big chins. Not at all feminine. Add that to all the dirty kicking and scratching under the water, it is just one big cat fight in a pool. Not attractive at all.

If there's one sport or two where I actually enjoy watching it is golf or tennis. The women are fit, but their bodies aren't masculine. Well, aside from the Williams sisters. Ick. But many female tennis and golf players seem feminine and competitive, unlike the soccer, basketball and water polo chicks who largely look and act like dykes.

Post: #30

A huge reason for this seeming decline is that tons of people are watching redzone and/or streaming multiple games on their computers rather than watching a game normally on their local affiliate. Those people aren't gonna show up in the ratings.

The NFL made record profits last season.

Post: #31

(09-15-2017 12:43 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  




There are reportedly over 75million people in the US now participating in fantasy football (FF) of one kind or another. Thats 2 in 10 Americans.

NY Post Fantasy Football

Quote:The Fantasy Sports Trade Association (FSTA) said that nearly 57 million people age 12 and above in the US and Canada played fantasy sports in 2014. Participation has grown dramatically over the past few years, according to FSTA.

I honestly think FF has converted the traditional fans that followed one favorite team to a more diluted fan base that watches individual players instead. The interest level is higher when someone actually has something at stake

Why spend hundreds of $ going to watch one game when you can stay home or at the sports bar and watch em all for free or almost free?

And oh yeah...WB

Also this. How can you watch every game at the same time when you're at a stadium? These hardcore fantasy football nerds still buy merchendise though and they make jerseys big enough to cover their fat guts.

Post: #32

Boy where to start regarding the NFL :

1. Public financing of private stadiums. These owners have held cities hostage until they've gotten their way and had stadiums paid for by tax payers of already broke cities. Cities that are blue politically and severely in the red financially have been shook down by the NFL, with very little trickle down to citizens of these places. If taxpayers have subsidized these billion dollar stadiums, why is it that these stadiums have zero public use and to which access is privately held.

2. The product sucks ass. I used to be a huge football fan years ago but I find today's game utterly unwatchable. There are too many teams with not enough good players to go around. The talent is spread way too thin. Today's NFL is a qb driven league meaning that if you don't have Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers or Ben Rothlisberger you can pretty much forget about your chances. With so few great qbs, most games are not worth watching. If this past weekend's games are any indication, it's going to be a long season of crappy games. Hell, last year's playoffs with the notable exception of the Super Bowl was hideously awful.

3. The games take wayyy to long to play. With instant reply of every other goddamn play, defensive penalty flags galore, commercials after every first down and ten minutes of huddling before the snap just to run a two yard running play is enough to make one want to pull one's hair out. The commercials to me are particularly annoying, really helping to create the 4 hour football game. Everyone knows about the study that was done regarding actual playing time in a football game with guys actually running around that showed it to be about 15 min total. So 15 min of action takes 4 hours of real time to complete? How many people in the real world would still be employed if it took them 4 hours to complete a 15 min task?

4. The players have become detestable. Just as the culture and the people in it are becoming more and more degraded, many of the players in the NFL are leading the way. While NFL players have always been a little rough around the edges which is fine given the nature of the sport, the players today are really behave like the dregs of society, worse than ever before in my mind. I have difficulty watching a sport with so many problem children (thank you to all you single mommies out there for your "contributions").

5. The obvious SJWism and virtue signalling. Colin Kaepernick was the final straw which separated me from the NFL but the SJW leftism has been a growing problem for years now and could become the final nail in the coffin that Roger Goodell is creating. The ESPN female play by play announcer is just the cherry on top.

Along with less kids playing football because of the concussion issues, changing demographics etc, the NFL has a serious existential problem on its hands. As big a fan as I was, I haven't been tuning in to watch football anymore. And quite frankly, I can't say I miss it a whole lot (ironically, I still play fantasy since my friends, with whom I've played for 20 years, still want me to play so I oblige them and I even won $700 last year. All without watching a moment of a single game).

Post: #33

(09-15-2017 12:43 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:43 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:42 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 09:53 AM)Suits Wrote:  I blame the Legend Football League for stealing viewership.

I've gone to a few games (friends own a box for a certain arena).

These girls don't fuck around and get nastier than dudes on the grass.

Definitely weirdest boners ever.


Time and time again - PC kills viewership.

Females are vicious in any sport. Soccer, lacrosse, volleyball, etc. They go for blood.

Worst I've seen is water polo and soccer - bitches be crazy.

Post: #34

Me and my brothers' upbringing:
Sunday church, Family (grandparents, maybe cousins), Dinner (pizza or homemade). Stuffed full of carbs, sit around and watch Barry Sanders baffle defenders. Go out and toss around the pigskin and play a few backyard games. Watch the Simpsons. Once or twice a year go to a game.

I suspect my upbringing was somewhat **typical** of the average family.

My brother has a bunch of kids, a nice place with a big yard in the country. His Sundays are basically that same thing with his kids.

I suspect his kids' upbringing is **atypical** of the average family.

Broken homes, no dads, dads having to think about Game and getting laid instead of simply putting food on the table, lack of connection between family members because of technology, mom thinking about Mondays. Kinda sad actually.

Post: #35

Post: #36

(09-15-2017 12:43 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:43 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 12:42 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 09:53 AM)Suits Wrote:  I blame the Legend Football League for stealing viewership.

I've gone to a few games (friends own a box for a certain arena).

These girls don't fuck around and get nastier than dudes on the grass.

Definitely weirdest boners ever.


Time and time again - PC kills viewership.

Females are vicious in any sport. Soccer, lacrosse, volleyball, etc. They go for blood.

Worst I've seen is water polo and soccer - bitches be crazy.

Worst I've ever seen is chicks playing rugby. Now there's tons of bull dykes in women's rugby but there's also a few girly ones who get their aggression out by flagrant assault on the field. I hooked up with one of the more feminine players on a university team and I saw her play once. The game was vicious. I used to play rugby and a couple of other sports and things could get heated but nothing like what I saw that day. At one point my girl had a look to see where the ref was looking and then wound up and punched a girl on the other team right in between her legs. A solid uppercut straight to the box. Just because. Meanwhile off the field she was kind of shy and meek. There was lots of hair-pulling, eye gouging, deliberate stepping on people with cleats. Insane, vindictive bitches the lot of em.

Post: #37

(09-15-2017 02:09 PM)Soma Wrote:  

What's funny is I was googling that .gif for my initial post, exactly what popped into my head.

Post: #38

As a die-hard sports fan and someone that majored in sports management, I feel like I can shed a lot of light on this topic considering the RVF community is not big on sports and I've been following it all my life. The last five years, I have been studying sports trends and try to interpret the trend the sports world is going in. While I agree with Roosh in that the NFL is on the decline, I don't think anyone here has fully dived into why this is happening. Before I do that, I want to say that I don't think this is just going to be the NFL, I see this as a sports problem AS A WHOLE. But for now, I'll start with the NFL.

1. It is the ultimate .1% sport- The simple fact is the owners in the NFL have more power than any other group of owners in sports. Players basically have no rights compared to baseball whose players get guaranteed contracts and NBA players who have max contracts for arguably doing the least work and have the least risk. NFL players can get cut on a dime and even if they have $50 mil contracts, may not see much of it if a GM decides to cut them. Because the NFL is a very injury prone sport, this is a problem because they can lose their opportunity to be set for life in a blink of an eye because of a freak injury.

The owner right now is also ridiculously biased towards the owners when he is supposed to be neutral. They want to prove they can go after anybody with a power move such as Tom Brady and Ezekiel Elliott. Now, Elliott won his appeal but I think he's going to have to serve his six game suspension next year. I see this as a big problem for players' rights because from all reports about his case, the girl Tiffany Thompson pulled off the bitter-ex move of accusing him of domestic abuse when there is textual evidence that said she was going to fake it to ruin his career. I'm honestly surprised that case hasn't been talked about at length in this forum because it fits our narrative perfectly. Point is Goodell is targeting Zeke to make him the poster child of domestic abuse after Ray Rice and the problem with this is Elliott was cleared of all charges by the police, BUT the NFL is still targeting him like they would a male on a college campus. Most intelligent fans see right through this power/political battle and they are tired of it to the point where I don't think they'd mind seeing a lockout in 2021 once the union has to re-negotiate the contract with the owners. If anything, in 2011 most fans were neutral and just saw it as millionaires versus billionaires, now the fans see the players as more of thugs than ever before and see the owners as the ultimate example of greedy, villainous behavior.

2. NFL Redzone/Sunday Ticket and Fantasy Football- This is also a big problem because the NFL has reached such a Sunday popularity in a national environment, that it gives casual fans virtually no reason to go to the games, especially if they're located in a city with a bad franchise. Problem is, that popularity has peaked TV wise and they can't replace the fans they lost from the games to TV. Fantasy football and Redzone allow fans to focus on individual players and essentially just watch the big moments in each game rather than being stuck watching a bad game on local TV or in a stadium. This is a trend I think is irreversible and will hurt the NFL in the long-term. They'll never get fans to have the attention span for one game again (which is also why I think Thursday night football has hurt rather than helped them). With fans losing interest in one game, it will not only hurt from a ticket perspective but also from a merchandise perspective. Yes maybe they'll get jerseys of a player or two they like but team shirts and hats will go down along with secondary player sales.

3. Dying from the ground up- In college I had a professor first bring this up to me and it resonated with me right after I graduated that he was 100% right about how the NFL would go down. It will die because people will be too scared to have their kids play pee wee football and once that gets mainstream, there will be no prospects for high school, then we will first notice a heavy decline in the college football scene, then it will finally start to take shape in the NFL. If you think I'm being extreme, I'm not.

I don't think most casuals studying the NFL realize how much of a game-changer the CTE revelation was. It basically took everything the NFL had under its rug and revealed it to the public. This was knowledge that the NFL was dangerous to a player's brain and long-term health and that'd they would be mentally far gone once their careers ended. The ones most vulnerable were centers, the other offensive lineman, and defensive lineman. I'm in my 20's and have already seen guys I grew up idolizing get effected by this such as Junior Seau, who committed suicide right after he had an arguably hall of fame career, donated his brain to research, and it was revealed he had strong CTE symptoms. Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame quarterback, has openly stated that he will not let his kids play pee wee football. Then there have been cases in lower level sports such as Eric LeGrand from Rutgers who ended up paralyzed because of a tackle he tried to make on special teams and there have been a couple of high school players that have died on the field and training camp who's stories went viral. Quite simply, football is perceived as too high risk for most parents to willingly let their kids get involved in if they have other opportunities.

Football may be spared if they solely go after kids in poor neighborhoods and areas but I'm not even sure if that will be enough. It has the gladiator label attached to it and unless they transition to something like 7-on-7 flag football eventually, I expect football to be extinct in the next 30-50 years, and be considered as a gladiator sport next century that we were barbaric for participating in. By the way this is part of the reason the ratings are going down, there's a lot more penalties for soft hits now and fans notice the game is being watered down.

Why Other Sports are Dying:

I mentioned way back in the beginning of this post that I don't think the NFL is the only sport dying. I think this is actually a world of sports problem. Quite simply, I think sports have reached their peak. We are officially at the point where we are being over saturated with sports, people notice, and just don't have the attention span for 24/7 sports anymore with other viable entertainment options. We are heading towards a movie, TV show, and videogame society because all of those things are more relative than sports in this day and age. Some people view sports as just something for less intelligent people and also, sports are no longer a playground game. My dad told me all the time back in his 60s childhood, all kids had to do was play sports every day to socialize so they looked up to the guys that were the best. Now, the average kid doesn't play sports just for fun, they play it in a competitive, organized league so it has become exclusive and is turning off a mainstream audience more and more.

We also are seeing ESPN reaching its peak getting involved way too much in politics and are witnessing its large decline. They are also not getting away with charging cable companies nearly as much as they use to. People just don't care about 24/7 sports channels like they use to.

Also, the Olympics and FIFA are going to have a big problem and it's sort of already happening. They rely on countries to build brand new stadiums and arenas for the Olympics and World Cup, but countries are catching on and realizing it does almost nothing for tourism compared to the money they have to invest. There will no longer be competition to host and it will only go to established sports countries like the US and Western European countries who already have the facilities. Qatar could be a game-changer from a human rights standpoint in FIFA.

The NFL is being targeted the most because it's the most dangerous but I can see plenty of other sports start to take bullets in the next 50 years. Ones already on the way to extinction are boxing and baseball because they both fail to adapt to modern times. Boxing is viewed as inferior to UFC now and baseball is viewed as too slow and boring by most, so it loses the casual audience.

Then we have sports I can easily be seen targeted for having too much violence, kind of like the trend the NFL is on but it could take longer. These include the UFC, the NHL, and horse racing. Hockey can be a violent sport with its own concussion problems and players losing teeth and on top of that is a very exclusive sport because it's hard to play hockey without an organized league. The UFC is an easy target because it's a straight up fighting sport and horse racing can eventually be targeted for animal abuse.

The future is in these three sports:

1. Basketball- I see this as being the #1 American sport by 2050. It's literally the last one left that has survived the exclusiveness of organized leagues and has minimal long-term health risk with a lot of fast-paced action. It is a perfect modern sport because it is still played in every neighborhood, is relative, has clear stars people can look up to, and people don't end up mentally screwed up once their careers end. Not to mention it's already a major sport so doesn't need much growing.

2. Soccer- There are injuries in this sport but it's already the most popular sport in the world that kids on the dirt roads of Africa can even play so like basketball, it keeps the neighborhood sport growth very well and it's inclusive. There are potential leg injuries but I think that this is an acceptable risk for most people, the money is already there in European leagues, and it is a worldwide sport.

3. Golf- This is a distant third but my main argument for golf is that I see it being in absolutely no danger of being targeted as a sport compared to some others. The sport is trending upwards unlike most. There are a lot of young stars in the game promoting positive sportsmanship to young kids and careers of stars last a lot longer than other sports. It is also getting more competitive than ever, has players from all over the world, and it is a privately funded sport by the 1% so they are a lot less reliant on the fans than say football or baseball. Not to mention, there is A LOT of money to be made in golf with arguably the most minimal risk to health in any sport. My dad pointed that out to me and I realized from an opportunity and business standpoint, it is a great sport to introduce kids to. It's not as exclusive as one might think either, considering there's plenty of public golf courses in this country.

By the way it took about 90 minutes to write this whole post so I hope people know I did honestly put a lot of thought into this response.

Post: #39

Rugby is going to be huge in the US. The main issue with the NFL is the head injuries and brain trauma. Parents will be guilt tripped in to not signing their kids up to 'football' when they see the frankly horrifying statistics on brain trauma for American football players.

In the last few years, in both 'football' and rugby, the huge hitting tackles have become glorified. Players go harder and harder, and the sports become hyper-professional. However in rugby there aren't any helmets or pads, and tackles have to be under the armpits, and at children's level below the waist.

The NFL has to change. Or it will disappear.

Post: #40

(09-15-2017 04:41 PM)britchard Wrote:  Rugby is going to be huge in the US. The main issue with the NFL is the head injuries and brain trauma. Parents will be guilt tripped in to not signing their kids up to 'football' when they see the frankly horrifying statistics on brain trauma for American football players.

In the last few years, in both 'football' and rugby, the huge hitting tackles have become glorified. Players go harder and harder, and the sports become hyper-professional. However in rugby there aren't any helmets or pads, and tackles have to be under the armpits, and at children's level below the waist.

The NFL has to change. Or it will disappear.

Hits in football have always been glorified. One of the problems is football hits are being hamstringed by the rules. Go look at highlights videos of guys like Brian Dawkins, most of his hits would be illegal now-a-days and he has only been out of league for 5 years. Games are being won and lost because of tackles that are being ruled as to "violent." The Bengals lost a sure win playoff game two years ago because of the new tackle rules.

Post: #41

Rugby is never going to be huge in the USA.

The NFL is huge in the UK, selling out Wembley stadium every time they host games there.

I wouldn't say hits are glorified, I wouldn't want to be hit by JJ Watt or James Harrison.

Oh well, there is always college football which is just as entertaining.

Post: #42

The NFL kept breaking things that didn't need fixing.

Post: #43

And the sjws will have you believing that it's dying because no one wants the drama queen kaepernick.

Post: #44

(09-15-2017 04:41 PM)britchard Wrote:  Rugby is going to be huge in the US. The main issue with the NFL is the head injuries and brain trauma. Parents will be guilt tripped in to not signing their kids up to 'football' when they see the frankly horrifying statistics on brain trauma for American football players.

In the last few years, in both 'football' and rugby, the huge hitting tackles have become glorified. Players go harder and harder, and the sports become hyper-professional. However in rugby there aren't any helmets or pads, and tackles have to be under the armpits, and at children's level below the waist.

The NFL has to change. Or it will disappear.

It's only anecdotal, but this pretty much matches what I'm seeing.

Where I live the city's youth football league is seeing big declines, especially at the younger levels (mighty mite/anklebiter, pony, etc), to the point where they're having trouble fielding teams. But rugby seems to be expanding and I'm seeing more youth teams crop up each year. They start out with touch until 11-12 age range and then move into tackle.

My neighbor's got his son playing in one of the youth teams. I went out to watch one of the games last summer and the tackling looked a lot different - more like pulling the other guy down than crashing into them. I'm not that familiar with rugby, but the rugby coaches made a point to explain to the parents there that the tackling in rugby was safer than in football. I think they are using the safety concerns about football to their advantage, and from what I can see it seems to be working. If you watch the kids, they do seem a lot more careful when there's no helmet or pads to protect them.

Post: #45

Change of opinion requires a slow, long build-up of disagreement followed by a tipping point. The straw that breaks the camels back.

For the NFL, it was Colin Kap. I can't believe how many adult men, aged 30-60, I've spoke with who don't watch the NFL anymore. Die hard fans who don't care anymore. When I ask why, they all give the same answer. "Fuckin' Colin Kaepernick BS...I'd rather watch LSU..."

I used to be a huge NBA fan. Over the past few years I stopped caring as much. This past season was my tipping point. Between LBJ's hate crime hoax and this video, I'm done.

Post: #46

I think rugby 7s has a good potential for growth in America. Open game, fast, open field running, intuitive, no large scrums compared to XVs, tournament format, and olympic sport to boot. XVs is a bit weird for outsiders if you didn't grow with the sport.

The NFL is OK as far as the game itself. It suffers from having too long a season (nothing like the NBA, MLB or the NHL, but individual games don't have the weight they do in the NCAA), but things start picking up towards teh end with the scramble for the playoffs. The game has improved with more open offenses and the talent level at QB has been high. Teams like GB, NE or Seattle have their own personalities.

Soccer is going to keep growing albeit slowly in the US. One barrier is the lack of homegrown talent and potential for World Cup glory, the USMNT hasn't progressed much on the world scene since the 90s.

On the health front, football is going to slowly decline in the Blue regions but it will stay strong in the South, Texas, and many midwestern red states.

Post: #47

Soccer, Rugby and LAX are on the rise in the US.

Post: #48

The thing I hate most about pro football now is that everyone is gutless. Nobody takes chances any more. How often do you see anyone fake a punt or a field gold? How often does someone go for it on fourth down? How often do you see teams take field goals instead of going for touchdowns?

Take some risks now and then. That is what makes it interesting. About the only place you see it anymore is in high school football.

Post: #49

The political activism and anti-male/pro-women agenda is the biggest turn off with sports these days. I don't see non-American sports ever gaining wide popularity. Soccer would be the only one I would pick due to demographic shifts. But not enough scoring to be entertaining, just people kicking a ball around for a couple hours. Thug culture in NBA makes it hard to get widespread appeal. It's the same way with NFL but to a lesser extent.

The other problem is lack of parity in NFL and NBA. You pretty much know it will be one of a handful of teams that win the championship every year before the season even starts. Baseball has far more parity which makes it more entertaining. They just need a shorter season, more teams making the playoffs, and make the playoffs longer.

Post: #50

I fear for MLB. 162 games per season is ridiculous I don't know how that's economically sustainable in the future to get people to keep buying tickets. Hell, there's minor league teams all over selling tickets too. It makes more sense those small countries that basically the kids only play soccer and another sport. USA has so many sports its ridiculous, like those retail shops closing down I don't see how many of these sports leagues will last.