(09-29-2012 08:03 AM)BigAlexBoss Wrote: Kiev Closing Report
Dear fellow pussy hounds, my time in Kiev draws to an end and the movable feast ends.
Conclusions:
2 weeks. Around 10 girls dated all IMO >7.5, no nightgame at all, 50% daygame, 50% pipelined. 1 Bang, 2 heavy almost bangs. Around 6 girls I will be long gaming with import possibilities.
Who should come to Kiev
Anyone who speaks at least moderately conversational Russian. Level of English in Kiev is generally FAR WORSE than in Eastern Europe. If you don't speak Russian, do yourself a favour and plunder the baltics, balkans and central Europe instead. Rooshey concurs. Unless you're like me and prefer to make things as hard as possible for yourself and regularly bang your head against walls.
Anyone who wants to admire a number of 9s and 10s walking around during the day but not have a chance with them. Actually Moscow is better for that in all probability.
Anyone who has more than 2 weeks to stay here. Game here is far more traditional and these girls practice "logical sex". If you are averaging a bang on D4, you are doing well. Again I can't comment about SNLs or D1/D2 bangs from nightgame as it somewhat preselects for horniness and slutiness but I expect even night leads take significantly longer to bed than further West. I would suggest 1 month here as a minimum to have a chance at banging the 8s and 9s. Be prepared to drop cash as I have paid for EVERYTHING on EVERY date. This place isn't cheap. If I went Kamaki style I would be taking out a new mortgage round about now.
You are anglo looking (German, Scandi, Dutch, British, USA white etc) - this is the profile that allows you to open easier than others. Do not come if you in any way look very southern mediterranean, turkish, arabic, black or are in any shade dark skinned/ very tanned. They are fed up of sex tourists from these countries contacting them on VK and propositioning them for sex on the Kreshatic.
You're not a fan of online pipelining - Beyond a couple of hours pre arrival to get the ball rolling, I actually think pipelining is a waste of time in Kiev. There is too much talent on the streets and the girls online are lower quality in comparison. I wasted 2 evenings due to mamba girls appearing with 5-10kg excesses. Cold messaging via VK is also a waste of time (thankyou Turks/Italians and friends). Far better is to make friends here in daygame then friend their friends and voila you are in the social groups and preselected. My number 1 mistake in 2 weeks was wasting inordinate amounts of time with VK for low returns.
Anyone who is genuinely interested in Soviet architecture and buildings - surprisingly Kiev is an ok tourist destination with enough to keep me occupied for 2 days.
You are a HNWI (High Net Worth Individual - the type of guy who invests in our fund) and are ready to drop important cash. I'm talking budgeting 500 dollars a day minimum kind of cash.
Anyone looking to romance a girl over several dates traditional style - This isn't the place for low investment/SNL junkies. The girls here are the most traditional I have met. They WILL jelously guard their pussies from your grubby mits. Expect to advance things on their schedule.
You are an advanced gamer - If you can pull quality pussy regularly at home then come here and you will pull. If you think that turning up here with your Western passport and cash will make all the hotties spread, think again. Ukraine has been officially plundered over the last 5 years. This is not pooooosy paradise and no place for a beginner to learn the ropes.
And thats it. The trip leaves a bittersweet feeling due to the level of talent I have on D2/D3 without banging that I am leaving on long game, a symptom of the time it takes to date these girls. I am a pragmatist and in my experience if you dont oxytocin bond a girl with 2 or 3 bangs before leaving, you can almost forget about picking things up where you left off when you return.
I am left thinking that I get almost as much pussy leverage at my base of operations in Spain (English levels shit, every girl wants to practice, 50% youth unemployment meaning they have no money, I have a luxury pimped pad, motorbike and sport car) and can work my LTR leads at my leisure. Only caveat being my AA in Ukraine has been almost 0 while in Spain, being my home turf, I have high approach resistance (Not AA as such but I weasel my way out of many approaches).
Very curious - Its for another thread but I subscribe to the evo psych rival tribal unit theory of AA with rival males from the unknown tribe killing you for attempting to mate poach their females. Being abroad and knowing i'm leaving soon may mean my treacherous hind brain thinks there won't be any rival tribe repercussions to bash my brains out after an approach.
I've had a very tough but lovely time, I have met some wonderful kiev girls who have been very friendly to me and I thank the city for its hospitality.
Over and out!
I disagree with some of these points.
1.The percentage of girls peaking English in Kiev is much higher than the rest of Ukraine.Actually as an English speaker one has the best chances in Kiev compared to any other Ukrainian city.
2.Agreed that '9s and 10's are not available unless you are willing to drop serious cash on them or in case they come from province.
3.I do not agree at all.You do not need more than 4-5 days.Only probems with time management are apparent as all girls have the same schedule(they work till 18.00 except in the weekends).
4.If by logical sex you mean sex in exchange for material goods I concur that these girls are fans of logical sex.
5.I agree with appearance attractiveness ladder although the desired look is not what we call anglo but the Germanic,Scandinavian one.Mediteranean guys have an audience but are in disadvantage however it does not matter much since it is numbers game.(A Mediteranean has to do roughly the double number of approaches than a Scandinavian to get the same result).
6.Pipelining only serves in the first 1-2 days to get secured bangs(prearranged).After that it is waste of time with all the talent walking by(it is ridiculous to stay at home and send messages while all the hot debushkas parade in the streets).
7.Kiev is not so Soviet like Minsk.It was relatively left intact from WW2 and has many buildings from tsarist period or even older.It is a very European city in looks.
8.I completely agree that to have maximum effects one has to spend around 400 euro a day.It is better to spend 1500 euro in 3 days and live like a King than spend it in one week and live like middle class.Kiev gives you this opportunity to be King for a weekend.
9.I disagree.Girls are quite open to one night stands after first date in case you make the right impression.Also if you spend on them(classic convo sushi,cocktails in expensive cafe,shopping perfumes or boots).
10.Yes,better be advanced but Ukrainian provinces are even more difficult for the layman.I would advise the novice to actually start with Kiev and not with Russia or Belarus.(Kiev is more europeanized and you get the meaning easier).
Kiev is for adventure.Prerequisites:
1.Older than 30 years old.
2.Established job
3.Expensive clothes and shoes
4.Ready to spend 400 euro per day or at least 300 euro per day.
5.Knowledge of Russian,experience in FSU helps immensely.
6.Ready to take risks including being mugged,cheated,ripped off etc.
7.Physical stamina.Ready to get through serial dating,extensive clubbing and prolonged banging in drunk state without stops(that is why short term vaccations are better,you get then some time to relax).
In my opinion you failed to calibrate internet contacts correctly due to lack of experience.You could not place them in categories 100% sure,very likely,some chances etc to know which one to date first and which not.Calibration is difficult and takes a lot of talk and negotiations before you come and even when you come you can never be sure.
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