Post: #1

I am hanging out in Vegas with TTG and we had being gaming these Eastern Europeans for the last couple of days. This particular night we hit up Marquee: a high energy nightclub. After the constant partying of the last few days my energy level was low. I would approach and open but couldn't get things rolling.

Basically, in my experience, unless your energy level can match or exceed the energy level of the place or group you are with you won't do very well. You will be like the guy at the wild crazy party that's not dancing or drinking.

More than anything else this has been my greatest short-coming. I don't naturally have a high energy level. I am more a calm, laid back kind of guy. I do better in quieter, low energy places. As the energy level of a place raises I have to really work to match it. Even when I do match it, I am usually not able to maintain it to close at the end of the night. I have tried drinking energy drinks etc. and they do help to provide a short-term energy boost but even with chemical help I feel mentally exhausted by the end of the night.

In the end, my feeling is, that unless you can match or exceed the energy level of where ever you are it will be very difficult to pull or close. (The exception being IF the girl you are after also matches your lower energy level.)

Any thoughts on this or how to deal with it?

Post: #2

Go to lower energy places. Try hotel lounges or whatever rather than nightclubs, or if they're a place you like, stick to the smoking areas, where everyone is relaxing anyway

Post: #3

This is my problem too. High energy equals high drive and clear optimistic thinking. For long party weeks I rely majorly on natural energy supplements such as bee pollen, royal jelly, apple cider vinegar etc.

What else you can do is workout regularly - have a quick nap before going out ant not eat heavy. Meditation is pretty cool too to get clear headed and energized.

Post: #4

I concur with the naps before clubbing, they are essential. Also, try and go somewhere where the music playing is something you like and energizes you. I used to go clubbing in Toronto with my friend and we always went to venues that played pop (I am in Miami, bitch, and 'I got a feeling..ooh whoo cos tonight's gonna be a good night) and that shyt used to drain my energy like a succubus.

Post: #5

(12-25-2012 02:08 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I am hanging out in Vegas with TTG and we had being gaming these Eastern Europeans for the last couple of days. This particular night we hit up Marquee: a high energy nightclub. After the constant partying of the last few days my energy level was low. I would approach and open but couldn't get things rolling.

Basically, in my experience, unless your energy level can match or exceed the energy level of the place or group you are with you won't do very well. You will be like the guy at the wild crazy party that's not dancing or drinking.

More than anything else this has been my greatest short-coming. I don't naturally have a high energy level. I am more a calm, laid back kind of guy. I do better in quieter, low energy places. As the energy level of a place raises I have to really work to match it. Even when I do match it, I am usually not able to maintain it to close at the end of the night. I have tried drinking energy drinks etc. and they do help to provide a short-term energy boost but even with chemical help I feel mentally exhausted by the end of the night.

In the end, my feeling is, that unless you can match or exceed the energy level of where ever you are it will be very difficult to pull or close. (The exception being IF the girl you are after also matches your lower energy level.)

Any thoughts on this or how to deal with it?

Yes, this is absolutely crucial but not often talked about. Girls are drawn to guys with higher energy levels. I also often don't have a lot of energy and my solution is simply to go out less frequently so that when I do go out, I have energy saved up. Of course it's not ideal as it means I have less opportunities than someone who goes out every night, but in my experience it's pretty much useless to go out if you're tired. Though sometimes I get on a roll and have seemingly endless energy, usually when I'm really enjoying myself.

Post: #6

Heres what I did...nap during day, pre-game w/friends to boost energy levels, pre-drink so I dont get hit w/regret at shelling out 13 dollars for a drink, talk to everybody and anybody on the way to the club.

Another plus, learn how to dance floor game. When you can wipe floors w/cute girls and get her to be the center of attention is always a HUGE plus. Approaching cute girls and getting 2 inches away from them is always exciting when you can later bang.

As for high-energy guys, I think thats bullshit. I think what they are looking for is a guy who is unafraid and comfortable. In fact, walk through the crowd solo and slowly and smile at lots of girls. Sometimes youll get a smile-back.

Hers my club strategy- Approach. Dance. Pull to otherside of dance-floor, escalate, pull her outside under good light to see if shes cute, evaluate.

Post: #7

I too have resorted to drinking energy drinks right before the club. I also drink red bull vodka at the beginning of the night. Then switch to drinking red bull from cans. This looks out of place and I get lots of odd looks and questions.

I also am trying to take naps before and I work out regularly.

Alcohol makes some people extremely tired. I found you either have to drink through it or counter it. If you drink through it you risk getting too drunk. My tolerance always seems to be changing so it can be quite hard to gauge how much I'll need to drink to get me to my "zone."

Post: #8

(12-25-2012 02:08 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I am hanging out in Vegas with TTG and we had being gaming these

More than anything else this has been my greatest short-coming. I don't naturally have a high energy level. I am more a calm, laid back kind of guy. I do better in quieter, low energy places. As the energy level of a place raises I have to really work to match it. Even when I do match it, I am usually not able to maintain it to close at the end of the night. I have tried drinking energy drinks etc. and they do help to provide a short-term energy boost but even with chemical help I feel mentally exhausted by the end of the night.

That describes me as well. And there's nothing wrong with it. You're probably a natural introvert. Don't bother trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. High energy places aren't for you. Try to find lounges, pubs, cocktail parties, things with a more conversational vibe. We live in a culture where most people are extroverts and the high-energy fratboy on a bender type is what everyone thinks being fun and outgoing is about. That's not for everyone. Align your venues with your natural temperament.

@MD81

Those natural energy supplements you mention...how successful have those been for you? Do they cause an energy crash as well? I'd love to find some kind of supplement that will boost my mood and energy level that is based on ingesting sugar or making me feel like shit in a few hours.

Post: #9

Ended up just working outside of Marquee last night instead of inside of it. There are bars and lounge areas in all of these hotels in Vegas. For me these are great pickup spots including the casinos themselves. Got a few numbers and had to call it an early night because my friend wasn't feeling too good.

Sure, you can compensate for a lower energy level in various ways BUT when you are operating within a place that is more in sync with your natural energy level you will do better in general. What I have also found is that these places will also attract the kind of women who will be more attracted to you because you both already have the similar energy levels. If you go into a high energy club and pickup a club girl you will have to deal with her energy level outside of the club too. Personally, I have found I am less attracted to girls who are too far off of my natural energy level so it becomes harder to close.

Post: #10

(12-25-2012 02:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  We live in a culture where most people are extroverts and the high-energy fratboy on a bender type is what everyone thinks being fun and outgoing is about. That's not for everyone. Align your venues with your natural temperament.

Very true. Only recently have come to understand what a huge impact this was having on my results. Going forward, this will definitely be a major factor on where I go.

Post: #11

(12-25-2012 02:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Align your venues with your natural temperament.

(12-25-2012 02:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I'd love to find some kind of supplement that will boost my mood and energy level

There is no substitute for quality sleep. These guys know..

(12-25-2012 09:17 AM)MD81 Wrote:  have a quick nap before going out

(12-25-2012 11:46 AM)Moma Wrote:  I concur with the naps before clubbing, they are essential.

(12-25-2012 01:07 PM)Moreless Wrote:  I also am trying to take naps

Post: #12

I have a different perspective on this- I think it's not so much a matter of externally expressed low energy vs high energy as it is a matter of intensity.

Intensity is a high state of internal energy-it can be given off in an extroverted way but it doesn't have to be- it may be contained which creates a sort of edgy vibe in a man.

Think of actors like Daniel Craig as James Bond and Jason Statham as the Transporter. Are they extroverted? No. Loud? No. Talkative? No.Emotionally expressive? No. Party Boy types? No. Yet women find them very sexy because they are intense. There is a feeling of tremendous energy boiling up inside that could explode at any moment. This is catnip to a lot of women.

What Im saying is that it is not a requirement to be a party boy in order to succeed at high energy venues; if you have the right vibe there will be plenty of girls there who will be attracted to you

Post: #13

@XY I agree BUT if you don't feel comfortable in a venue this will also come across in your interactions and not in a positive way. What you are referring to is more of a personality expression than it being venue related. I am personally like this but when I don't feel comfortable in some place I will also transmit this in my interactions with girls.

Post: #14

Another related issue to this is that I have found I have a optimum operational time range: between 10pm - 3am. After 3am both my physical and mental energy starts to decline so I become less and less effective. If I don't lock in something before 3am my chances of doing so decreases dramatically after that. It's related to the whole are you a morning or night person. Some people have naturally higher energy levels at certain times of the day. You want to be operating at your naturally highest energy level because you need it to deal with all everything. In your initial approach and interaction you will have be putting 80% of the energy into the interaction. If you are tired the girl will likely read it as lack of attraction.

Post: #15

(12-25-2012 02:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(12-25-2012 02:08 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I am hanging out in Vegas with TTG and we had being gaming these

More than anything else this has been my greatest short-coming. I don't naturally have a high energy level. I am more a calm, laid back kind of guy. I do better in quieter, low energy places. As the energy level of a place raises I have to really work to match it. Even when I do match it, I am usually not able to maintain it to close at the end of the night. I have tried drinking energy drinks etc. and they do help to provide a short-term energy boost but even with chemical help I feel mentally exhausted by the end of the night.

That describes me as well. And there's nothing wrong with it. You're probably a natural introvert. Don't bother trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. High energy places aren't for you. Try to find lounges, pubs, cocktail parties, things with a more conversational vibe. We live in a culture where most people are extroverts and the high-energy fratboy on a bender type is what everyone thinks being fun and outgoing is about. That's not for everyone. Align your venues with your natural temperament.

@MD81

Those natural energy supplements you mention...how successful have those been for you? Do they cause an energy crash as well? I'd love to find some kind of supplement that will boost my mood and energy level that is based on ingesting sugar or making me feel like shit in a few hours.

They have been pretty good actually. You would know about Apple Cider Vinegar but dont go beyond 20 days on it with a month break in between as it gets too Acidic.

There is a company called Forever Living - I take bee pollen from them which doesn't cause a crash and you dont need a red bull at all. For good mood I have tried Royal Jelly, Zinc and HotRawks (Macca and other cool stuff). However for mood enhancement or being clear headed nothing beats Meditation and Yoga.

Post: #16

(12-25-2012 04:03 PM)MD81 Wrote:  

(12-25-2012 02:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(12-25-2012 02:08 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I am hanging out in Vegas with TTG and we had being gaming these

More than anything else this has been my greatest short-coming. I don't naturally have a high energy level. I am more a calm, laid back kind of guy. I do better in quieter, low energy places. As the energy level of a place raises I have to really work to match it. Even when I do match it, I am usually not able to maintain it to close at the end of the night. I have tried drinking energy drinks etc. and they do help to provide a short-term energy boost but even with chemical help I feel mentally exhausted by the end of the night.

That describes me as well. And there's nothing wrong with it. You're probably a natural introvert. Don't bother trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. High energy places aren't for you. Try to find lounges, pubs, cocktail parties, things with a more conversational vibe. We live in a culture where most people are extroverts and the high-energy fratboy on a bender type is what everyone thinks being fun and outgoing is about. That's not for everyone. Align your venues with your natural temperament.

@MD81

Those natural energy supplements you mention...how successful have those been for you? Do they cause an energy crash as well? I'd love to find some kind of supplement that will boost my mood and energy level that is based on ingesting sugar or making me feel like shit in a few hours.

They have been pretty good actually. You would know about Apple Cider Vinegar but dont go beyond 20 days on it with a month break in between as it gets too Acidic.

There is a company called Forever Living - I take bee pollen from them which doesn't cause a crash and you dont need a red bull at all. For good mood I have tried Royal Jelly, Zinc and HotRawks (Macca and other cool stuff). However for mood enhancement or being clear headed nothing beats Meditation and Yoga.

There is also Energy vitamin combination from company called 'drinkyourvitamis' - They are awesome too.

Post: #17

(12-25-2012 04:03 PM)MD81 Wrote:  However for mood enhancement or being clear headed nothing beats Meditation and Yoga.

Agreed. I do yoga and meditation AT THE CLUB!!!

No bullshit.

http://ecstaticdance.org/images/

Post: #18

How do you do yoga at a club?

Post: #19

(12-25-2012 04:10 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  How do you do yoga at a club?

Check the link. It's a yoga/dance party!

The first hour is all yoga, then, the music starts and we start dancing.

Many people do yoga and meditate while the DJ is spinning records.

Post: #20

(12-25-2012 04:12 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(12-25-2012 04:10 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  How do you do yoga at a club?

Check the link. It's a yoga/dance party!

The first hour is all yoga, then, the music starts and we start dancing.

Many people do yoga and meditate while the DJ is spinning records.

Meditate while DJ is spinning....Thats gonna be real tough, dude

Post: #21

(12-25-2012 04:13 PM)MD81 Wrote:  Meditate while DJ is spinning....Thats gonna be real tough, dude

For beginners, it might be tough.

For me, it's easy.

Dancing is meditation.

Life is a meditative experience.

Post: #22

Ok, but this is not a regular club. I've been to a few of these before. The music and vibe is different than a club because the people are different.

Post: #23

(12-25-2012 04:22 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Ok, but this is not a regular club. I've been to a few of these before. The music and vibe is different than a club because the people are different.

The yoga/dance club would be a better fit for your personality, which is the whole point of this thread, right?

(12-25-2012 02:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Align your venues with your natural temperament.

Post: #24

When I need to clear my head and get right, I meditate with this video because its real easy. I got knocked out of state at the bars last week and put this on while driving to the next venue....it got me right back on track.

Post: #25

(12-25-2012 04:53 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(12-25-2012 04:22 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Ok, but this is not a regular club. I've been to a few of these before. The music and vibe is different than a club because the people are different.

The yoga/dance club would be a better fit for your personality, which is the whole point of this thread, right?

(12-25-2012 02:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Align your venues with your natural temperament.

Ok, got it. Actually you are right, I do better with the yoga girls. I should go to more of those dances and events.