Post: #1

I started a thread on the concept of 'hypergamy' awhile ago. And just want to go in a different direction.

I am not a woman. So - it can be difficult to precisely answer seemingly simple questions.

For instance - why are women attracted to rich guys?

The first answer. Would be the cynical one. Along the lines of all women are the same but the only honest ones are hookers since they are open about it up front. Yet - a hooker will not find a client to be sexy. Whereas I am wondering if a woman will find a rich guy to be genuinely sexy?

With that in mind - I want to try for a different answer which seems fairer.

I think being rich and successful changes the way a woman perceives you. For instance - imagine you had a pleasant conversation with a guy at a dinner party.

And just before you returned to chat to him some more. Someone took you to one side and told you that person was a convicted axe murderer who was released from prison 3 years ago.

Or you were having a boring conversation with somebody. And only later, you found out that the person was a Nobel prize winner in Physics.

The way you visualise these people would profoundly shift in one go.

Guys love sexy girls. And we don't just love their tits and asses. The way we perceive them as a complete person is shaped by the way they look. Which is why if a girl puts on a load of weight and becomes ugly - our reaction to them as a person will completely change. Even though - their personality will often not be that much different to how they were originally. Which is why cute girls being dumb is cute. And fat girls being dumb is maddening.

So - if we run with the second answer above. It is helpful to remember that women are genuinely attracted to a guy who is rich. As opposed to somehow cynically looking to 'sell themselves to the highest bidder'.

In the same way guys might get together to talk about the local girls who are hot. Women might get together to discuss which local guys are rich. At base it is the same sexual drive.

And if this is correct (and I would be interested in other opinions) then we shouldn't be dismayed by 'money grubbing' women in the same way they shouldn't be by 'hot looking young lady grabbing' men.

I hope the above makes sense. I am just trying to consider a different way of perceiving female desire for wealthy guys which is more generous than that usually given.

Would love to hear from others on this topic.

Cardguy

PS This is a topic I have wanted to discuss for awhile. But I was prompted to do so by reading this article from The Economist.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexcha...nder-roles

In the above link I find the comments more interesting than the article.

PPS I am very interested in the field of Evolutionary Psychology. But I don't think it is helpful in analysing the above. Since I am trying to find a description of the subjective feelings and reactions a girl has to a rich guy. As opposed to what the higher evolutionary purpose might be.

Post: #2

(01-11-2013 10:01 AM)cardguy Wrote:  I started a thread on the concept of 'hypergamy' awhile ago. And just want to go in a different direction.

I am not a woman. So - it can be difficult to precisely answer seemingly simple questions.

For instance - why are women attracted to rich guys?

The first answer. Would be the cynical one. Along the lines of all women are the same but the only honest ones are hookers since they are open about it up front. Yet - a hooker will not find a client to be sexy. Whereas I am wondering if a woman will find a rich guy to be genuinely sexy?

With that in mind - I want to try for a different answer which seems fairer.

I think being rich and successful changes the way a woman perceives you. For instance - imagine you had a pleasant conversation with a guy at a dinner party.

And just before you returned to chat to him some more. Someone took you to one side and told you that person was a convicted axe murderer who was released from prison 3 years ago.

Or you were having a boring conversation with somebody. And only later, you found out that the person was a Nobel prize winner in Physics.

The way you visualise these people would profoundly shift in one go.

Guys love sexy girls. And we don't just love their tits and asses. The way we perceive them as a complete person is shaped by the way they look. Which is why if a girl puts on a load of weight and becomes ugly - our reaction to them as a person will completely change. Even though - their personality will often not be that much different to how they were originally. Which is why cute girls being dumb is cute. And fat girls being dumb is maddening.

So - if we run with the second answer above. It is helpful to remember that women are genuinely attracted to a guy who is rich. As opposed to somehow cynically looking to 'sell themselves to the highest bidder'.

In the same way guys might get together to talk about the local girls who are hot. Women might get together to discuss which local guys are rich. At base it is the same sexual drive.

And if this is correct (and I would be interested in other opinions) then we shouldn't be dismayed by 'money grubbing' women in the same way they shouldn't be by 'hot looking young lady grabbing' men.

I hope the above makes sense. I am just trying to consider a different way of perceiving female desire for wealthy guys which is more generous than that usually given.

Would love to hear from others on this topic.

Cardguy

PS This is a topic I have wanted to discuss for awhile. But I was prompted to do so by reading this article from The Economist.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexcha...nder-roles

In the above link I find the comments more interesting than the article.

PPS I am very interested in the field of Evolutionary Psychology. But I don't think it is helpful in analysing the above. Since I am trying to find a description of the subjective feelings and reactions a girl has to a rich guy. As opposed to what the higher evolutionary purpose might be.

Evolutionary psychology provides good rationalizations for most questions like this one. Of course, we can't be sure if those rationalizations are accurate. If you don't want the higher evolutionary purpose, then just imagine you are a woman in the paleolithic. You have a strong instinct to procreate. How would a man with a lot of resources make you feel vs one with few resources? Secure

There's nothing high level and abstract about security.

Post: #3

Say there was these twin sister, looked alike an acted alike and you couldnt even tell them apart. Say one was filthy rich and one was poor.... which one would you wanna date

Post: #4

Now, I can't give the penultimate answer to the universe about why women like money, but in general I notice that women love power.

Money is power. Beauty is power. Social charisma is power. Popularity is power. Muscles are power. Most women love being dominated in bed.

Anytime you want to know if women will find something attractive, ask yourself, "Is it powerful?" and then you'll have your answer.


The question boils down to, "Why do women love power?"

Post: #5

Evolution seems to have bred women to have a lower sexual desire so that they can be more rational in chasing the most resources to help start a family with.

Also - the sexual drive they have follows two cycles.

Between the ages of 18-25 - they are chasing alpha males. And are more interested in sex.

Whereas - just before they hit the wall - they are looking for a beta provider who they can start a family with. The beta provider may be rich. But he is also stupid since he is investing heavily in a rapidly declining asset. And what sex he gets will be limited to the sex needed to make babies - and the sex that is rationed out by the wife to keep him quiet.

The more interesting angle is where does money help in terms of pulling prime pussy (ages 18-25)? It is a hard thing to analyse since alot of guys who are wealthy also happen to be young, good looking, famous and cool. Think of wealthy young actors, sports stars and musicians.

Take someone like 50 Cent. Even if he were a nobody. I am sure he would pull more top-shelf pussy than a corporate lawyer of the same age who happened to be worth ten/twenty times more. Particularly since 50 Cent would be out in the clubs with the ladies whilst the corporate drone would be staying late in the office. Reminds me of the following Woody Allen quote - “Ninety percent of life is just showing up."

But it is easier for an aspie nerd to focus on builiding a good career and hoping that will one day bring in the women. Than it is to learn the sorts of street smarts (and gym work) a playa like 50 is overflowing with.

Still - it is funny. But these successsful guys don't seem to understand what a declining asset is. The same girl at 30 is not worth the same as when she was 20.

There are different types of intelligence. And the intelligence it takes to learn from books and regurgitate it up for exams is different to the more savvy approach that guys like 50 Cent have.

Apologies for the above. Alot of what I have written has gone in a different direction to my initial post.

Post: #6

Factor A) women are attracted to power and success. In our very plutocratic society, having large amounts of money, or at least more than the next guy, signals this.

Factor B) women subconsciously desire a man whom they perceive as being able to provide them with security. Money ticks this box because it's well understood that, up to a point, more money generally equals more security, and more insulation from the ordinary ups and downs of life.

Factor C) women consciously desire a lifestyle which gratifies their caprices. The more money a man has, the more easily they can spend their mornings sipping delicious lattes and gossiping with their girlfriends at Starbucks and showing off the latest fashions instead of cooking, hoeing the vegetable patch, darning socks, or washing clothes on a rock down by the river.

A man showing that he has money, therefore, engages in a very effective mating strategy because he appeals to a woman on several different levels. I think the only reason we see girls choosing to be with complete bums today is that feminism has empowered women to be more economically independent, so a good provider isn't the dire necessity it was in times past, when it could well be a matter of life and death. Men nowadays in the west all generally have *some* money, so a girl can afford to be pickier and discriminate based on more subjective factors like looks, personality, (which ties into game) etc. The corporate guy, with his money, might be appealing to a girl, but when she's living comfortably herself, there are hundreds of other dudes more interesting, so he doesn't even get the time of day, particularly if the girl in question has been raised in the neo-hippie SWPL "eww, office jobs are evil, starving artists are cool" milieu which is so common today among younger people.

Post: #7

I just got my first Rep point. Cool!

Just curious - how does that work? I can't find any info about the system involved.

Cardguy

Post: #8

I have been thinking a lot about this lately. By observing the woman in my circle I can only come to the conclusion: ALL woman are prostitutes. Yes, even family. Even your mother, even your sister. They don't only open their legs for money, they do it for all their needs: security, food, protection, fame, nurturing...
In cavemen times, a girl who didn't open her legs for the alpha leader was terminated, she didn't get food, she was exiled. After some time, all woman in the population opened their legs. The other ones simply didn't survive.
For a woman, using her body to get something is as natural as for us guys to put some food in our mouth when we are hungry. It's hard-coded in their DNA for millions of years. Answer is YES, they are genuinely attracted to guys with resources.

Post: #9

Women are not that complicated, they only have two primary imperatives

1) Need for the alpha male / dominance
2) Need for the provider male

Obviously, the second one is the root cause of hypergamy.

Why do you think the 50 shades of grey books are porn for women? Take a look at those two imperatives again if you have read the book.

Men have only one imperative

1) Have sex with lots of fertile women

With the most obvious signs of fertility being youth, facial beauty and curves in all the right places.

That's why porn for men is ... well, porn. Porn for women is a book like 50 shades.

Post: #10

Women want you to have money even if they know they arent getting any of it. Its a stand-in for alphaness, just like a Harvard MBA is a stand-in for intelligence. They assume that any successful guy cant really be that beta.

Post: #11

When you think about it, it's probably one of the most rational things women are attracted to.

Post: #12

security

Post: #13

If you had a choice of fucking either:
A: a fat ugly girl
or
B: a supermodel

Given you have the same chance of getting laid which would you choose?

Well for women...
If they're given the choice of fucking:
A: a hot poor guy
or
B: an average guy with tons of cash

Which do they think they'd choose?

Money makes up for all the inadequacies of the average looking guy.
People want what they don't have. Money is power. Woman like
the power that comes along with having cash. It allows them to do things
they wouldn't normally be able to do with the hot poor guy. Travel, shop,
eat and security.

Problem is ...pussy is a self-replenishing commodity and an infinite resource.
So in actuality she'd be fucking the hot guy while dating the rich guy.

It's our own fault as men that we allow that to go on. Maybe we just don't care.
Maybe we're just not interested in marriage. I think the holy grail of pussy is the
virgin.

I think the Muslims got it right by putting a high price on virginity and not
the pussy itself.

Post: #14

Breaking it down.

Post: #15

(01-11-2013 10:46 AM)cardguy Wrote:  Take someone like 50 Cent. Even if he were a nobody. I am sure he would pull more top-shelf pussy than a corporate lawyer of the same age who happened to be worth ten/twenty times more. Particularly since 50 Cent would be out in the clubs with the ladies whilst the corporate drone would be staying late in the office. Reminds me of the following Woody Allen quote - “Ninety percent of life is just showing up."

But it is easier for an aspie nerd to focus on builiding a good career and hoping that will one day bring in the women. Than it is to learn the sorts of street smarts (and gym work) a playa like 50 is overflowing with.

Still - it is funny. But these successsful guys don't seem to understand what a declining asset is. The same girl at 30 is not worth the same as when she was 20.

There are different types of intelligence. And the intelligence it takes to learn from books and regurgitate it up for exams is different to the more savvy approach that guys like 50 Cent have.

50 cent won't be able to pull if he is not rich and famous. Just look at his baby mama. Funny thing is that an aspie is calling others aspie.

Post: #16

Money is evidence of success. Money and success are good things and all people, men and women, prefer good things.

Post: #17

(01-12-2013 01:15 PM)Seduction Sutra Wrote:  50 cent won't be able to pull if he is not rich and famous. Just look at his baby mama. Funny thing is that an aspie is calling others aspie.

Agreed. A lot of stars (actors, musicians, comedians, athletes) have busted mates prior to their stardom.

TI is another good example. (although Tiny has held him down when things got rough, which a lot of good looking chicks would not do)

WIA

Post: #18

I forget who said this, I'll paraphrase: The only thing you need to understand about women is that the primary objects of their love are their children, regardless of whether they'll ever have children. The main objects of love for men are women.

From that insight you can understand a lot of female behaviour, including women's love of power and money.

Post: #19

Read this somewhere...

Men love women. Women love children. Children love hamsters.