Post: #1

Well, still learning the game, trying to get a girlfriend or girl. Past 2 weeks, I've hitting up the language department. My current game is bring a Russian literature book and ask people questions about words I don't know, or stop reading it and talk to girls next to me in English, even though I already know good Russian and reasonable Ukrainian. I scan where are there hot girls and a free bench, and sit there. I've been trying harder to be describe my life more thought and emotion provoking(in the beginning, my game is boring, I just tell them I'm from America and ask all these questions in Ukrainian, I sound an interviewer like are u you student, what do you study, do you have a boyfriend....). Hopefully, I didn't leave a lame impression. i try to talk about adventure/travel and my lifestyle so on, but I need to make it more vivid and exciting. I also start to switch to Ukrainian after a while, they get a little impressed. They often ask where I'm from and what I do, and I answer them in a lame way. Still figuring out more and new clever ways to answer these questions. I need to move on more to teasing and jokes, so on. Girls are usually in groups waiting for a class. I can sense that they know I'm interested in them and I'm hitting on them.
There are so many hotties walking out classes and in hurry to leave, I don't know to how to approach hotties leaving without looking I'm here just to chase them. I could get off the chair and walk up to them, then all the girls sitting and waiting will notice. Another problem is that new girls I approach are with girls I already approached previously or within sight to girls I already approached.
one psych girl prepping for a test made me ask her about personalities. Then I tried to palm read her, but then I forgot all about the reading, I even said I don't remember how to do it really .
Shit,sometimes tell too much about life in boring and brief way. I should've never said I'm still looking for more jobs here, now I think they think less of me. Maybe I should wear a little less casual attire and have nicer gadgets( maybe a blazer and not a cheap phone). Need to be more mysterious
My approaches feel really forced, nervous, boring,a little creepy and desperate. I feel if I'm too direct I will scare them away, so my approaches are still more friendly and more to draw their interests for the next time. I've avoided giving compliments before, but I realized maybe a compliment plus a neg might do some good.

My apartment is at the center of city and the uni is really close.
I'm still building a social circle, but I need to try a little harder. Had a party, but only three people came(one girl).
Sometimes I wait too long to call, like a week, they start to forgot about me. Text messaging hasn't fared so well, lack of responses.(I say boring shit, like hello, how are you in Ukrainian and text multiples texts before she even responds back, ) Still improving on my text game
I need more to figure how to ask more effective questions, but this can be hard in Ukrainian. I need to learn how to build more rapport. So many things to do.
Street approaches are even harder.


I need some help on some openers, how to ask basic questions in interesting way, more logistics, building attraction, example approaches, so on. Someone told me that can I sit here and a compliment on her attire are not bad openers.

Post: #2

I have described whole dialogues.

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Post: #3

Opener:
Is this university of Sevtsenko?
Where is the opera theater?
etc

Basic questions:
Do you study economics?
Do you study micro or macroeconomics?
Do you like swimming?
Do you like borsh?
Do you like Gaitana?
Have you been to Crimea?

Statements:
I like borsh.
I like Ukrainian music.
I like Ukrainian nature,rivers and lakes.

I have described the synconpated talk.You should only convey the essentials.For example instead of saying hi,how are you? you say good morning,did you sleep well?
Instead of saying ''I came to Ukraine to study Ukrainian language because I am a true friend of literature and like its melodic sounds'' you say ''I study Ukrainian.I like Ukrainian language.''
Instead of saying ''what do you study?'' which sounds detrimental,boring and very personal,intrusive,offending you ask:''Do you study or do you work?'' and then if she answers I study you ask:''Do you study economics?''

Do you have a boyfriend? is ridiculous question and can be interpreted as rude,very personal and speculative while it can be regarded as a shit test as well(are you beautiful enough to have a boyfriend?).If you want information about that you should ask in more indirect manner like ''Do you stay alone or with parents?'' or ''I see you do not have any ring'' or ''Ukrainian guys look nice'' or ''Do you have time during the weekend?'' etc.

To the question ''where are you from?Answer can be
''America.''(not I am from America or I come from the US,just say America).And then if she proceeds to ask which specific city tell a famous city that she surely knows.

''What do you do?''
''Study Russian''.(not I study Russian or I came here to study Russian etc).Just tell study Russian.

Post: #4

(04-13-2013 08:06 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Opener:
Is this university of Sevtsenko?
Where is the opera theater?
etc

Basic questions:
Do you study economics?
Do you study micro or macroeconomics?
Do you like swimming?
Do you like borsh?
Do you like Gaitana?
Have you been to Crimea?

Statements:
I like borsh.
I like Ukrainian music.
I like Ukrainian nature,rivers and lakes.

I have described the synconpated talk.You should only convey the essentials.For example instead of saying hi,how are you? you say good morning,did you sleep well?
Instead of saying ''I came to Ukraine to study Ukrainian language because I am a true friend of literature and like its melodic sounds'' you say ''I study Ukrainian.I like Ukrainian language.''
Instead of saying ''what do you study?'' which sounds detrimental,boring and very personal,intrusive,offending you ask:''Do you study or do you work?'' and then if she answers I study you ask:''Do you study economics?''

Do you have a boyfriend? is ridiculous question and can be interpreted as rude,very personal and speculative while it can be regarded as a shit test as well(are you beautiful enough to have a boyfriend?).If you want information about that you should ask in more indirect manner like ''Do you stay alone or with parents?'' or ''I see you do not have any ring'' or ''Ukrainian guys look nice'' or ''Do you have time during the weekend?'' etc.

To the question ''where are you from?Answer can be
''America.''(not I am from America or I come from the US,just say America).And then if she proceeds to ask which specific city tell a famous city that she surely knows.

''What do you do?''
''Study Russian''.(not I study Russian or I came here to study Russian etc).Just tell study Russian.

The questions u ask are so straight forward and go nowhere, seriously U like borscht, I think it is better to talk about Italian cuisine is great and ask have u tried pumpkin ravioli?

Post: #5

You don't get it. Russians you can chat monotone interview style with. They are not going to get excited.
Unless you are in Lviv your a fool to mention Ukrainian language. If your in Kiev most students will be from eastern cities where they speak Russian. The majority of students are from there because that's where population is from. He'll most probably don't understand Ukrainian. Yes dress up. You already lose points for being a foreigner. Gain points by looking well to do. The only thing more UN attractive than a poor ukranian man is a poor American guy lol. You font have to be rich,but set yourself away from looking common. Also I assume you are very young?have a job or business. Something that sounds real. Not exciting.
Truth is universities are not great pick up places there due to lack of campuses.
Traditional game does not work. Don't Neg or do any of the silly tactics used in the west.
If you are in Lviv studying Ukrainian is good.

Post: #6

(04-13-2013 09:38 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  You don't get it. Russians you can chat monotone interview style with. They are not going to get excited.
Unless you are in Lviv your a fool to mention Ukrainian language. If your in Kiev most students will be from eastern cities where they speak Russian. The majority of students are from there because that's where population is from. He'll most probably don't understand Ukrainian. Yes dress up. You already lose points for being a foreigner. Gain points by looking well to do. The only thing more UN attractive than a poor ukranian man is a poor American guy lol. You font have to be rich,but set yourself away from looking common. Also I assume you are very young?have a job or business. Something that sounds real. Not exciting.
Truth is universities are not great pick up places there due to lack of campuses.
Traditional game does not work. Don't Neg or do any of the silly tactics used in the west.
If you are in Lviv studying Ukrainian is good.

OK. So where do you recommend for daygame?

Its been all over the map really.
Some say nightgame
...others say universities
...still others say online.

Whats your favorite spot and how do you game it?

Personally, I like parks and outdoor cafes, alrhough bus stops and general street game work if you get lucky and find an English groupie.

Post: #7

Dude,

Just walk up to them and say hello and ask them if they speak any English or say a few words in Russian. Get them excited to meet an American guy.

Post: #8

(04-13-2013 12:33 PM)scubapilot Wrote:  Dude,

Just walk up to them and say hello and ask them if they speak any English or say a few words in Russian. Get them excited to meet an American guy.

Great advice. I just did this and banged.

Post: #9

+1 roosh- you and I are cut from similar cloth hence the passion for living life to the fullest!

Post: #10

(04-13-2013 12:33 PM)scubapilot Wrote:  Dude,

Just walk up to them and say hello and ask them if they speak any English or say a few words in Russian. Get them excited to meet an American guy.

Of course that works, but I was hoping to improve efficiency in Ukraine.

In Ukraine it takes me 2-3 months of about 5 cold approaches a day to land a girl, 7 in quality.

Keep in mind this is for 18-24 year old girls, older girls would be much easier.

Strong anti-foreigner sentiment here. Girls will be eye fucking me...until I open my mouth and they hear my accent. Its not impossible...but cold approach just takes a lot of work and several months.

This holds true for several wingmen I had here also, which is why a lot end up stickin to the first girl they get...laziness.

Post: #11

In Ukraine it is possible to get a girl from day one by cold approach.It has happened to me 1 hour after I set foot in the city.It is very easy.
If one has spent 3 days without getting laid in Ukraine he should leave the city.

Post: #12

If you take a language course in Russian or Ukraine it will boost your odds 100x.
For me, I love travel, culture and languages and speak 5 fluent and plan to learn Russian, German, Italian, Romanian and Portuguese eventually.

I am short and average looking but have banged over 300 hot women traveling because I speak the language!

Roosh is right: American women are pure garbage after one has traveled. Heck you can be a square and score easy!

Post: #13

The whole point is to be able to score without the prerequisites.The prerequisites are time and money.You have to kill time and kill money.The more you kill them the more fast paced you get.Every time above 3 days in FSU is a waste of time.In Belarus and Russia the times to get laid are similar.

Post: #14

You're definitely doing quite a few things wrong. Since you're at a university, it's fair to say that the vast majority of the girls you're talking to are under 23. Girls under 25 are by far the EASIEST to chat up in Ukraine. You'll have bonus points for being an American or from Western EU. You don't need to impress them, nor do you need to try so hard. If you're showing any signs of weakness (and I bet you are), these girls will eat you alive. What you need to do is remain as chill and non-chalant as possible. Don't worry about speaking Ukrainian, that won't impress many outside of Lviv. Just chat away, name drop a few US cities like someone else suggested, and the rest should take care of itself.

The biggest downside with university girls, though, is how god-damned flaky they are. They'll make you think American women are the epitome of stability. With the good always comes the bad, I guess, but that's just how it is.

Post: #15

Are we talking about the same country here?
Come on people...

For example, I am messaging a girl on VK and typing in fluent Russian. Things are going well...until I let her know I am a foreigner by asking ques. about her town. Then I'm told to fuck off and go back to my country.

Being foreign is a negative to under 25 girls. Also, these girls prefer social circle so best to make friends...which takes time.

Yes, you can succeed here...but it takes many approaches. By the 100th, 200th approach you no longer show weakness, thats for sure.

Post: #16

(04-14-2013 12:43 AM)POHammer Wrote:  Are we talking about the same country here?
Come on people...

For example, I am messaging a girl on VK and typing in fluent Russian. Things are going well...until I let her know I am a foreigner by asking ques. about her town. Then I'm told to fuck off and go back to my country.

Being foreign is a negative to under 25 girls. Also, these girls prefer social circle so best to make friends...which takes time.

Yes, you can succeed here...but it takes many approaches. By the 100th, 200th approach you no longer show weakness, thats for sure.

You'll run into that on VK, or sure, and probably also singles.ru. Some girls are quite rude and have no interest in foreigners. However, there's plenty of others that do. There are several sites that are more geared towards finding the latter, such as freepersonals.ru and fdating.com. The downside to them is that there's much less of a selection of women there, but the ones that are there are most deffo interested in foreigners. Try giving those a shot if you haven't already.

Post: #17

Sure, I'll give it a whirl, thanks for the links.

But attractive early 20s girls don't use dating sites.

I did the online thing for a couple months and got poor results.

Real world game had much higher rates of success, even though you still need lots of work.

I think thats the realization. This shit ain't easy. You approach hundreds of sets for weeks or months at a time. If you travel to Ukraine, you end up with a higher quality girls but it still takes monumental effort.

Our ancestors that put in effort were those who survived to pass on genes.

I'll make my next post after I do 1,000 more approaches. Peace out.

PS PM me if anyone is in Ukraine and wants to meetup. Best of luck.

Post: #18

(04-14-2013 05:52 AM)POHammer Wrote:  Sure, I'll give it a whirl, thanks for the links.

But attractive early 20s girls don't use dating sites.

You'd be surprised at the number of them who do. Still, though, you're right. Cold approaches are going to net you a much better chance, although it's a hell of a lot more work.

Post: #19

(04-13-2013 03:21 PM)scubapilot Wrote:  +1 roosh- you and I are cut from similar cloth hence the passion for living life to the fullest!

I was being sarcastic, hinting that you should give more detail.

Post: #20

How to approach:

Me: Helo mudder beeches! Which one of yooo wanna ride strong murican stallion?
Her: I in love with grand murican!
Me: I own 3 shiny murican nickles!
Her: You most rich man in whole world! Take me for you!
Me: Come to my stable small pony girl. I bring yoo murica make you star!
Her: I have for yoo love grand murican! Yoo number 1! USA!

Post: #21

For example:
-Are you from Kiev?
-Yes.
-Kiev is a great city.

When talking to a polish girl:
-Are you from Poznan?
-Yes.
-It is nice here.

It is a mistake to tell a polish girl ''Poznan is a great city''.She will reply ''Oh no,there are better cities'' to show her modesty or she will say ''I am glad you like Poland.''It is also wrong to tell an Ukrainian girl ''it is nice here''.She will ask ''Why is it nice here?'' or even more shit testing ''Only the women are nice,you came for Ukrainian women because you are sex tourist.''

Slavs talk a lot with infinitives and omit the articles.So the expression ''the river Dnipro is very beautiful'' becomes ''river Dnipro very beautiful'' or just ''Dnipro(the river) very beautiful.Or the expression ''you have very beautiful earrings,are they made from gold? becomes ''very beautiful earrings,are they gold?'' to which she will reply ''thank you.It is white gold.I like only white gold.''To which the reply is ''white gold very beautiful.Do you also have rings?''
-Of course I have.''And she shows the rings.
Then I say ''nice rings.And your nails look very nice.What colour are they?.
-Thank you.They are red.
-Red is very good.Greek women also colour their nails red often.Do you also colour nails on feet?
-Oh no.I do not have money for pedicur.
-Ukrainian women have very beautiful nails.And you use make up very nice.
-I do not put much make-up.
-I see.But you have very beautiful face so it shows.
-Thank you.So tell me.What do you do in Greece?What is your job?
etc

Post: #22

(04-13-2013 01:54 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 12:33 PM)scubapilot Wrote:  Dude,

Just walk up to them and say hello and ask them if they speak any English or say a few words in Russian. Get them excited to meet an American guy.

Great advice. I just did this and banged.

Roosh, from that response can we assume you are back in Ukraine?

Post: #23

(04-13-2013 04:20 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  In Ukraine it is possible to get a girl from day one by cold approach.It has happened to me 1 hour after I set foot in the city.It is very easy.
If one has spent 3 days without getting laid in Ukraine he should leave the city.

That's bad advice Greek, especially for some of the guys on these forums who go to another country and do not speak the language or have not taken the time to learn the culture. Unless you are talking about getting laid via P4P, buying some chick multiple presents, or don't care about quality and just want quantity then getting laid in 3 days is unreasonable! For example I got propositioned on day 1 by a 36 year old at a bar but what's the point of getting laid, if you're getting laid with someone who looks like a mediocre American chick. I think you gotta be more specific about your comments and not generalize so much....From my experience it takes 3+ dates which can easily be more than 3 days to get laid with a Ukrainian 8+ for a guy who is average looking, of average means financially, and with conversational Russian language skills. This would probably cover majority of the guys from this forum who go over there. By the way, my statement applies to cold approaches only and not stuff like pipelining or social circle game.

Post: #24

Im in western Ukraine. Fuck it is not easy! They don't think I'm American at first, because I'm don't look like a typical American.

Post: #25

You probably try in Ivan Franco university in Lvov.You have tried the benches on central square near Opera theatre withour success.You got to the local discos and saw no possibilities either.Internet game does not bring good results in Lvov as well.You are trying probably to find an operation vivendi.
When I got there got first time I got 4 girlfriends in 3 days.It is like driving a Mercedes in shitty roads.Can you play ball in short space?