Post: #26

Fisto, I'm not "pedestalizing" blondes, merely commenting on what I observe in the real world.

And I suppose you should make another identical post in the other thread titled "Gaming black women as a white guy"?

Calm down dude.

Post: #27

(09-22-2013 10:36 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  And I suppose you should make another identical post in the other thread titled "Gaming black women as a white guy"?

Interestingly Fisto was giving props to the guy who started that thread:


/thread-28083-...#pid534886

Quote:I'm not into black girls in general but I think this is a great sheet for any man who is. +1

So Fisto gave homie a rep point for being a white guy posting about how to get black girls, but when the reverse was done, that's race trolling.

Post: #28

Post: #29

(09-22-2013 10:31 PM)Fisto Wrote:  My thoughts are that you and people like you are thankfully a bygone result of the pedestalization of women that will weed itlself out as time goes on. You and every other race troll are insults to men. No man should be held by boundaries as silly as past era divides. People like you like white blondes because you feel they are superior. Pathetic.

Who the OP?

Post: #30

Post: #31

(09-22-2013 10:38 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(09-22-2013 10:36 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  And I suppose you should make another identical post in the other thread titled "Gaming black women as a white guy"?

Interestingly Fisto was giving props to the guy who started that thread:


/thread-28083-...#pid534886

Quote:I'm not into black girls in general but I think this is a great sheet for any man who is. +1

So Fisto gave homie a rep point for being a white guy posting about how to get black girls, but when the reverse was done, that's race trolling.

This is why I have Fisto on my ignore list, he's not someone worth reading.

Post: #32

Gaming a certain types of women is one thing pedestalizing women because you're a certain race is another thing entirely.

All you have to do is replace IRT in every spot where you say you're a black guy to point out the trolling.

Post: #33

What kind of white girls does a black guy who is more like Carlton do good with rather than a guy who is more like lil Wayne?

Post: #34

I don't see the difference between this and the white guys/black women thread. I can see not liking both of them, but liking one but not the other doesn't make sense.

I also don't see that anyone is putting women on a pedestal. Rather, they're just dealing with the fact that the rest of society puts white women on a bigger pedestal than any other women.

Post: #35

Not sure why this is race trolling.

If the thread would of said gaming Asian woman as a black guy. would that still considered race trolling?

Many black posters on this forum and even this thread have said white woman weren't their top preference. Its not like an IRT who ONLY lust for white women

Post: #36

(09-23-2013 07:52 AM)Fisto Wrote:  Gaming a certain types of women is one thing pedestalizing women because you're a certain race is another thing entirely.

All you have to do is replace IRT in every spot where you say you're a black guy to point out the trolling.

Man that is complete BS. There's no "pedestalizing" whatsoever from the OP. It doesn't even seem like you read any of the posts in this thread.

You also reek of hypocrisy given your complimentary post in the counterpart thread where the roles are reversed.

Quit trolling dude. You clearly aren't giving any value here, just throwing shade. Disgraceful.

Post: #37

Honestly, I never saw guys inquiring about how to game women of certain ethnicities (based on their own) as race trolling. The Indian guys can get a little carried away with it, but I personally thought people were a bit hard on them. At the core, it's a pretty legitimate subject of conversation.

It doesn't apply to all women, but on a general level, race definitely plays a role. Talk to a woman of any race about guys from other races and they'll admit to having a preference or not for certain races. You can even see how they act different around men of different races. If you don't think a white woman notices that a black guy who is macking on them is black or that a black woman takes into account a white boy's ethnicity, you are missing something.

Even in America, people from different ethnic backgrounds come from different sub-cultures.

To further solidify the point, do you notice a woman's ethnicity? If not now, did you used to before you had a lot of experience with those types of girls?

I say carry on the conversation.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #38

(09-22-2013 05:41 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

This pic makes me feel like an insecure bitch for breaking up with a good Asian girl for being too short and young-looking. Then again, since this guy is bound to be all over the news, he probably doesn't sweat it too much that people will think he's dating a kid because it's already spread across the paper.

Throwing tiny girls around in bed is good stuff too. You can essentially juggle them with your dick if you want to.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #39

(09-23-2013 09:08 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Honestly, I never saw guys inquiring about how to game women of certain ethnicities (based on their own) as race trolling. The Indian guys can get a little carried away with it, but I personally thought people were a bit hard on them. At the core, it's a pretty legitimate subject of conversation.

It doesn't apply to all women, but on a general level, race definitely plays a role. Talk to a woman of any race about guys from other races and they'll admit to having a preference or not for certain races. You can even see how they act different around men of different races. If you don't think a white woman notices that a black guy who is macking on them is black or that a black woman takes into account a white boy's ethnicity, you are missing something.

To further solidify the point, do you notice a woman's ethnicity? If not now, did you used to before you had a lot of experience with those types of girls?

I say carry on the conversation.

It makes a difference, but there's a little too much naval gazing on this issue across the board.

There's also a lot of racial double-standards and lack of self-awareness going on. But that wouldn't be an issue if people stopped harping on the subject in general.

At the end of the day, we're not going to change our racial background or alter girls racial preferences. Guys should focus on maximizing their potential.

The differences in terms of game between the races strike me as razor thin. The outcomes are different, but these are largely out of our control. In the same sense, there's no use coming up with short guy and tall guy game, for the most part.

Post: #40

Throwing shade? I have no idea what that means.

One thread breaks down the very distinctive nuances and cultural perspective of black women. It wasn't because he's specifically a white guy that I thought the info was useful.

All black dudes need to do to get white girls is be more like drake.

White girls have zero cultural identity in my opinion.

But it seems like the white women worship around here from minorities is over the top sometimes.

Personally I can't stand them.

Apologies to the op for misreading his intent.

Post: #41

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Post: #42

I think there was a thread a year ago on how to deal with stereotypes.

You can either play into them, play against them, or ignore them. With any branch of game, the fundamentals are always going to hold true- keep a strong frame and dominate.

Some white girls like thuggy black guys. Some white girls won't talk to thugs.

My black player friends are really good at allaying fears and their number one concern when we go out is making sure that everything's cool with everybody before pushing for the bang. The most patient and persistent player I know.

They know and are friendly with everybody at the bar (the staff, bouncers, etc.). The play against the stereotype of a menace, but not in a beta placating way.

Are you like Carlton Banks or Will Smith?

Post: #43

Done deal

Carry on.

Post: #44

(09-23-2013 09:36 AM)Fisto Wrote:  Throwing shade? I have no idea what that means.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph...ow%20shade

(09-23-2013 09:36 AM)Fisto Wrote:  One thread breaks down the very distinctive nuances of black women.

OP said: "White girls are way less aggressive than black girls in general, and more fickle. That said, it is the second largest interracial coupling in the US after white men/asian women."

Sounds nuanced to me actually.

(09-23-2013 09:36 AM)Fisto Wrote:  All black dudes need to do to get white girls is be more like drake.

(09-23-2013 09:36 AM)Fisto Wrote:  Apologies to the op for misreading his intent.

Post: #45

Hey look another race thread!

Post: #46

That was a joke man.

Post: #47

Quote:I'd place white girls into 3 categories:

1) Girls that really like black dudes, and actively pursue them such as in hip hop/reggae clubs.

2) Girls that are not going out of their way to find a black dude, but are open to the idea. Usually they've never dated a black guy before.

3) Girls that actively ignore black guys.

The Category 1 white girls are a walk in the park. Just show up, be cool, use minimal game, and you are in. They are not the most attractive though and for the large part are black girl wannabes.

The Category 2 white girls are somewhat tough to crack. They require twice the game than a sister. However, if you have some sort of status e.g. college/pro athlete, then that'll make it easier. However, a lot of liberal hipster girls are in this category and accept black men as equals.

The proliferation of white girls "twerking" can open doors for black men in this category as well. It shows that a dance invented by black women and celebrated by young blacks is cool; therefore, blacks = cool. Hopefully, this trend will last a while just to improve black male - white female sexual relations and its perception among all of America.

The Category 3 white girls can be gamed but is the end reward worth all the effort? Maybe maybe not.

Post: #48

I think a lot of this stuff being thrown around is conjecture. The hypothesizing percentages is especially comical to me in absence of empirical evidence.

Having winged with plenty of white guys, I don't think race is that big an issue and, to the extent that it would be, is difficult to prove. I've outgamed my white friends with their own women many times. Unless a girl flat out tells me she doesn't date "n*ggers" or some shit I really can't point to race as an excuse. There are too many attraction triggers out there that seduce a chick.

I doubt on average that the white guys on this board have smashed white chicks as bad or badder than the ones I have. I think access (class) is more important than race.

Top shelf is top shelf. Everyone is going to have to apply themselves to bag quality. Period.

The US is an extremely diverse and multiethnic country with hundreds of millions of people. You'll find pairings of all kinds.

Before you wonder what role race plays, ask yourself if you've really made an effort to get with chicks of different races. Have you really put in the work?

Also, even in the case of interracial marriage, the white female/black male is only second to the white male/asian female combo. So I would like to think that, all else being equal, black guys shouldn't hold back from approaching white girls merely due to skin color (you have relatively good odds).

Improve yourself so that you can get access to better talent (regardless of race) and then put in the work before you start lamenting about the role race plays in getting notches.

Post: #49

(09-23-2013 10:46 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  I think a lot of this stuff being thrown around is conjecture. The hypothesizing percentages is especially comical to me in absence of empirical evidence.

Having winged with plenty of white guys, I don't think race is that big an issue and, to the extent that it would be, is difficult to prove. I've outgamed my white friends with their own women many times. Unless a girl flat out tells me she doesn't date "n*ggers" or some shit I really can't point to race as an excuse. There are too many attraction triggers out there that seduce a chick.

I doubt on average that the white guys on this board have smashed white chicks as bad or badder than the ones I have. I think access (class) is more important than race.

Top shelf is top shelf. Everyone is going to have to apply themselves to bag quality. Period.

The US is an extremely diverse and multiethnic country with hundreds of millions of people. You'll find pairings of all kinds.

Before you wonder what role race plays, ask yourself if you've really made an effort to get with chicks of different races. Have you really put in the work?

Also, even in the case of interracial marriage, the white female/black male is only second to the white male/asian female combo. So I would like to think that, all else being equal, black guys shouldn't hold back from approaching white girls merely due to skin color (you have relatively good odds).

Improve yourself so that you can get access to better talent (regardless of race) and then put in the work before you start lamenting about the role race plays in getting notches.

Try that "kumbayah" perspective with online dating. You'll change your perspective quick. Online, women are most free to indulge their true preferences.

Fact is, it makes a huge difference. Like the other poster said, women don't ignore your race.

As a thought experiment, imagine going up to a hot white chick and being tiger woods (high status/money), then imagine not being tiger woods. You can't tell me there's no difference between the two just because you have game.

Post: #50

(09-23-2013 02:33 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 10:46 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  I think a lot of this stuff being thrown around is conjecture. The hypothesizing percentages is especially comical to me in absence of empirical evidence.

Having winged with plenty of white guys, I don't think race is that big an issue and, to the extent that it would be, is difficult to prove. I've outgamed my white friends with their own women many times. Unless a girl flat out tells me she doesn't date "n*ggers" or some shit I really can't point to race as an excuse. There are too many attraction triggers out there that seduce a chick.

I doubt on average that the white guys on this board have smashed white chicks as bad or badder than the ones I have. I think access (class) is more important than race.

Top shelf is top shelf. Everyone is going to have to apply themselves to bag quality. Period.

The US is an extremely diverse and multiethnic country with hundreds of millions of people. You'll find pairings of all kinds.

Before you wonder what role race plays, ask yourself if you've really made an effort to get with chicks of different races. Have you really put in the work?

Also, even in the case of interracial marriage, the white female/black male is only second to the white male/asian female combo. So I would like to think that, all else being equal, black guys shouldn't hold back from approaching white girls merely due to skin color (you have relatively good odds).

Improve yourself so that you can get access to better talent (regardless of race) and then put in the work before you start lamenting about the role race plays in getting notches.

Try that "kumbayah" perspective with online dating. You'll change your perspective quick. Online, women are most free to indulge their true preferences.

Fact is, it makes a huge difference. Like the other poster said, women don't ignore your race.

As a thought experiment, imagine going up to a hot white chick and being tiger woods (high status/money), then imagine not being tiger woods. You can't tell me there's no difference between the two just because you have game.

Lol. Online dating? Still not buying it. Tons of white guys here complain about pipelining. Have you even bothered to investigate? Check the OKC thread. Every man reports getting shot down by 4s and 5s behaving like they're 8s and 9s.

Many times you see a white guy with a hot/top shelf white girl, it's because of social circle. They went to school together, friends of co-workers/friends, etc.

To an extent, race comes into play in the fact that neighborhoods in the States are more or less still segregated, despite the country's great diversity. White people have, on average, more opportunities to date other whites while the same is true for blacks.

Wherever I've seen blacks who are sociable and grew up in white neighborhoods with white social circles, they have done well and more or less on par with their white counterparts. The same is true for whites who hang around minorities. They pull minority chicks all the time.

I happened to grow up in an extremely diverse environment where competition for punany was fierce and all races competed for the same opportunity. I've seen so many pairings that transcend the type of limitations you are suggesting that I don't look at race as a major factor on a personal level.

In a real life setting, lots of different factors come into play. You should never use online dating as a metric of gauging racial preferences in this country. Too simplistic and, again, difficult to prove.

I can't tell you how many black guys I know personally that exclusively date white or non-black women. This is common in many places, especially on the west coast.

Again, the numbers don't lie. For even in interracial marriages, the white female/black male combo is only second to the asian female/white male combo. I believe it. I've winged with plenty of white guys and have seen the thirst in asian chicks when my white friends approach. White guys have a monopoly on that all day.

But I wouldn't say in pure pick up settings they have an advantage with white chicks by default. American white girls are mainly the reason a lot of us are tired of American girls in general!