Post: #1

It has been awesome lately to watch all these ROK articles go viral. Roosh and Tuth are doing God's work and for that I am massively thankful.

But we don't want to be arguing about politics with girls in real life. If we want to improve our girls' behaviour we need to lead them. We need to covertly push them towards red pill ideas in our real life interactions.

So let's share our "under the radar" red pill lines that hit the hamster where it hurts.

Here are some of the things I have been saying to girls lately, inspired by none other than ROK Different girls, different nationalities, different situations. Not one of these girls got offended or reacted badly. Some even agreed with me.

1. (said an American girl who was complaining about the pay gap)
"Yeah, it must be hard to be a girl...Hold on though. I hope you're not secretly a feminist or something. Feminists are kind of creepy."

2. (to a girl who proudly proclaimed that she can't cook)
"Oh. You can't cook? That's such a shame (long pause for effect). Call me traditional, but girls who cook really turn me on. My last girlfriend brought me a homemade packed lunch on our second date. I fell in love right there."

3. (to a girl who complained about my place being messy)
"I admit it. I'm pretty terrible at household chores. My guess is that my male ancestors were all out hunting and never learned to do stuff back in their nomad huts. I'm so lucky to be dating someone as feminine as you!"

4. (to a girl with short hair that I met in a bar)
"You know, while I think you look fashionable, it's a shame that you cut your hair so short. You'd be stunning with long hair."

5. (to a girl who was checking her phone during a date)
"It's crazy how many people are addicted to social media these days. A friend of mine dumped his girlfriend because she was always checking her iPhone. She was always too many photos of herself on Facebook. In the same situation, I think I'd have done the same. Please tell me that you aren't one of those people...(shit-eating grin)"

6. (to a girl who says she doesn't understand men)
"It's funny how some girls are still wondering what men like. I mean, we're very simple really. We like to eat and fuck. If a girl takes care of those two things then we are good. What else is there to know?"

7. (to an older careerist girl who was complaining about the lack of good men out there)
"I definitely feel sorry for you girls. I mean, the biological clock is always ticking and I have so many friends around 30 who are in denial. I'm trying to get them to settle with nice guys but they don't listen. It's as if they think they are still as attractive as they were in college."

8. (to a girl who doesn't put effort into dressing well)
"It's cool that we can wear what we like these days but some people take it too far. I even saw a man wearing a skirt the other day who apparently isn't gay. Crazy eh? It's like those girls who wear jeans and Uggs that think they are being fashionable. I mean, it's not exactly a secret that a girl in a dress and heels looks much better."

9. (to a girl who would be attractive if she lost some weight)
"Wow your arms are bigger than mine! (squeeze arm) Oh..hold on. It's so soft I could eat this for dinner! Don't you work out?"

The basic idea is to say things that go under the radar, make girls feel shame and/or correct their behaviour. On the other hand, good things they do should be rewarded.

Sure, there are some lost cases out there but I'm an optimist. Girls DO care what men think. If you hit the hamster they WILL think about it later. They might even talk to their friends about it. Rattling the hamster cage, one girl at a time, can have knock-on effects beyond our imagination. So let's hear your best lines.

Post: #2

Honestly, I keep Red Pill thoughts to myself.
Very little good can come from revealing your hand (unless it's a feint)

Ideally, I can turn my Red Pill thoughts into Red Pill actions...

Chick, "I'm a feminist"

WIA - "I knew you looked like fun."

I take that kind of thing as an invitation
She might not know what to do with it.

From there I pour the charm on.
Change my body language to attracted
Look her dead in the eye
Start using assumptive language
Increase the kino

I might do some light teasing, "I hate to say it, but you're falling under my male gaze right now, what should be done about that?"

"You want a cosmo, no shame in that, drink what you like"

In general the player M.O. is Verbal and Emotional Jiu-Jitsu.
Whatever she says, turn it to your advantage, put her on the defensive, and charm her.

A lot of guys get real defensive, or they get real logical - but they deal with the content of what she has to say, as if she were a man, an Alpha at that.

Same thing happens when a chick reps for the traditional roles. Indeed, a girl bragging about her cooking and cleaning skills is still playing the game. It's like her wearing a short skirt and heels - getting you off your game by distracting you with her body. They torture us because they're looking for a guy that's unphased. I don't actually know why they want to attract us, but we're supposed to pretend like we're not attracted.

Traditional girl, You need to draw her out and get her on tilt.

"I'm into macrame"
W - Oh really? Tell me about it

"yadda, yadda, yadda'

W- "No, I think you misunderstood, describe it to me, what happens, how it makes you feel"

Often times these Trad girls are advertising it because they have some feminist leanings. A really traditional girl doesn't need to tell you that she can cook, clean, and take care of children. Something that's painfully obvious when you date non-Westerners. *pours out some Glen Livet for my last foreign chick*

Trying to get under a chick's skin using red pill knowledge, feeds your ego more than it gets her wet, ime.

WIA

Post: #3

Dreambig - Those are great responses and gave me a good laugh, but I'm not sure how under the radar they are.

Post: #4

(02-06-2014 12:15 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Honestly, I keep Red Pill thoughts to myself.
Very little good can come from revealing your hand (unless it's a feint)

Maybe you are missing the point of what I was trying to say. I am suggesting to be covert about it. I don't want a logical discussion about red pill issues, the aim is to positively influence her behaviour and beliefs. That's why I love talking bring up a "friend's" situation because it's unassailable and gets the girl thinking. Maybe I come off as an asshole but it's certainly nothing logical or political.

Quote:Often times these Trad girls are advertising it because they have some feminist leanings. A really traditional girl doesn't need to tell you that she can cook, clean, and take care of children. Something that's painfully obvious when you date non-Westerners. *pours out some Glen Livet for my last foreign chick*

I tend to agree with you on this. You can't make a housewife out of a whore either but most chicks are somewhere in between. They can be influenced either way depending on the hints and innuendo you give.

If you encourage good behaviour then they will cook, work on their BJ technique, clean your place, wash your clothes and so on. If you just accept her as she is then the exact same girl will be lazy.

Quote:Trying to get under a chick's skin using red pill knowledge, feeds your ego more than it gets her wet, ime.

To do this effectively, a girl needs to be "into you" first so I'm not suggesting this as a way of getting laid.

But even a comment about her short hair from a stranger in a bar will hit the hamster when she goes home. She will tell her friends about it. She will read articles online about it. Girls care about what others think much more than guys do.

Post: #5

Most of your stuff isn't very subtle.

If you want to expose the idiocy in her life choices, you don't make a statement about them directly.

You say things in a such a way that she arrives at those conclusions naturally.

She gets a pixie cut
- So brave, and non-conformist, good for you (troll)

- do your friends have short cuts too? (set up)

- No, you're going to make them jealous. They should be just as brave as you. (dissent, sow seeds of doubt)

- yes, you guys will look like a girl band! awesome (troll)

- Are they moms? Cause moms like the no fuss no muss styles...(does she look like a PTA mom?)

- And it totally shows off your neck/highlights your ears, (wait does she ever look at her ears)

For me, anytime I run into some non-feminine behavior, or something that doesn't please me, I run some variation of the Comfy Shoes neg

Chick meets you at the spot
She's wearing flats, ballet shoes, wedges, gladiator sandals, chunky heels, espadrilles

"those look so comfy"

It's those kind of compliments that are positive for the wrong reasons that really unnerve some chicks.

The "genuine mistake" is another one, where you purposefully take a life/style choice to mean something that it doesn't.

"So you're going to get your MBA? GOOD FOR YOU. It's high time that more women set aside family and focus on career. Oh I'm sorry...I didn't mean to assume, most of the women in my field, my supervisor even.......I'm sure you can have it all if you put your mind to it...."

But that's how I look at things. I don't want to tell her what to think, I want her to come to her own conclusion by me nudging her there. It's how they operate. Find yourself painting an accent wall thinking it was your idea to make the place look nice.

WIA

Post: #6

WIA how do I do this sort of manipulation/assumptive suggestion on the fly without even thinking?

It seems you might have a little NLP in your game too.

Post: #7

A girl said she has to postpone our date for one hour because she has to clean her apartment.

I answered that I don't take this excuse serious unless she comes around with her cleaning utensils.

She really did come with all that stuff and she even cleaned my kitchen.

Post: #8

"Why don't you lady up and put a napkin on your lap." In response to a freshmen college girl telling me to "man up".

"I heard you need some man muscle!" - Lesbian social justice warrior needing my help to move some boxes from one office to another

Post: #9

In the gym in 2nd year of high school I tried a shot and failed. A girl screamed "Haha you suck!!!" My comeback? "And you swallow!!!"

Post: #10

"We'll get married when you become a virgin."

Steel yourself for the impending drama.

I think I got this from GBFM lolzlollzlolzlzz.

Post: #11

WIA put it perfectly.

See, blame what you will on conditioning and mainstream media and rapidly degenerating traditional values, but a lot of females who point out such things just do so for.....attention.

Especially for chicks with low self esteem / uglyness issues, these oddities become their calling card. Its their way of getting more attention.

Understand that when a girl makes such statements as "I don't cook" or "I'm a feminist" she's just screaming for attention. Why do you want to feed her?
She's LOOKING for you to argue / point out her flaws / becomethe douchebag for whatever reason.

Think of it this way. As a "red-pill" guy,how would you react if a beautiful woman comes to you and asks you to tell her she"s beautiful?
Would you tell her that? No.
You'd assume an air of amused mastery, or tease her, or use your rapier-like wit and magnetic personality to win her over, or make her doubt herself....right?

That's exactly how you react here.
When girls deliberately display or talk about their un-feminine behavior, they are essentially asking you to tell them how it is wrong(covertly in the same vein as "tell me I'm beautiful"). So you do everything but that.

WIA's response "those shoes look so comfy" is a fantastic response, because while overtly being supportive, he's actually voicing his covert disapproval of her actions...sets the hamster spinning amongst other things.

When a girl I was dating came dressed one day in some terribly fitting clothes and without much effort for a party, I didn't give her a monologue about how most guys only cared how she looked and not her personality....I teased her for being a hippy. She alway put more effort into dressing up after that.

So, no, I don't have a best "red pill line".
A smirk and a lol is about as overt as I get.

Post: #12

i fuck delusional feminist sluts on the regular, and by experience no good really ever came out of dropping "red pill lines".
in any case, even if I'm gaming a communist hoe, she'll "sense" the masculinity/virility.
I don't think arguing never got anybody pussy, unless you can tipsy turvy that shit and go for an aggressive move while you're in the midst of a debate
sometimes i'll drop a smart ass remark before I dip in the morning
but like WIA mentioned, it's mostly for satisfying your ego.

Post: #13

Quote:2. (to a girl who proudly proclaimed that she can't cook)
"Oh. You can't cook? That's such a shame (long pause for effect). Call me traditional, but girls who cook really turn me on. My last girlfriend brought me a homemade packed lunch on our second date. I fell in love right there."

Post: #14

Regarding your question. It's all about frame. If your frame is solid and her quasi-feminist ideas are coming to the front, you're doing it wrong or she wants a reaction from you. If she genuinely cares about such things, I just next. Red flag for me, I'll save the headache.

The fastest way for me to hold my frame and let her comply.

Notice WIA's frame throughout both his posts concerning the issue at hand. He's not invested in her attention-fishing, hhence he doesn't do it in a confrontational, logical way. Simply, makes her see it's a turn off. Cue hamster running. If she's interested, she will curtail her behaviour and comply. To build on what Sharkie said.. His underhanded compliment says her shoes are comfy. Comfy isn't sexy. No points.


I just shit test them if they say or do something considered 'blue pill'.
Nonetheless here are some lines:

"I don't believe women should cook"

"This is why we can't have nice things"
"Shame."
"You can't cook?"
"It's ok, we can still be friends.. on facebook"


If you're gonna take the bait the least you can do is bust their balls and enjoy yourself. I enjoy the subtle trolling and keeping a straight face.

Otherwise, Sharkie nailed it. Smirk and lol. I'll sometimes say 'lol' for extra effect.

Quote:Girls care about what others think much more than guys do.

Girls care about what other girls think of them rather than guys do. They don't give a shit about what most men think unless its a celebrity or they are sexually invested/attracted in the guy.

I delude in thinking that most guys don't give a shit about what others think; I am usually proven mistaken on this one.

Post: #15

(02-06-2014 01:58 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  WIA how do I do this sort of manipulation/assumptive suggestion on the fly without even thinking?

It seems you might have a little NLP in your game too.

Good question, been thinking about it for most of the day.

1) you don't need this kind of game
2) at the core, you believe if one man can do it, another man can
3) people are fragile, women are people, women are fragile

So I generate these "Johnny on the spot" analyses not because i'm the Sherlock Holmes of Vagina, but most girls in my preferred age bracket, 25+, are sensitive to these issues and receive tons of mixed messages from society and media about how to feel.

There are a million things you can notice about a girl.
- her face, her ass size, them tits, those hips- you never mention those things. She might have the pussy in full view, but you've got to pretend not to see it.

- eyes - don't mention how lovely her eyes are, or anything special about them - because that's what every dude goes for. Same with tattoos. You're not being clever.

So what's left?

- odd body parts that she doesn't think guys pay attention to - button noses, ear lobes, dimples, calves (but don't lead with "I've got a fetish for knee caps..."

- her choice in clothes, shoes, and accessories - And you can't be too,"I know you got that from Claire's on sale" cause that will send the wrong message.

- her hair

These are all things that she has control over, that you can "admire" and at the same time insinuate/remind her of her "poor taste" "her lack of cool"

One of the feminine equivalents of creepy is tacky.

It's such a loaded term that hurts and means nothing. But that's the vibe you're trying to project, and she's trying to deflect. She wants to look cool, stylish, fashionable - but while she wears what the magazines tell her to wear - she wants to feel unique.

lol.

"Comfy shoes"
"non-traditional hair cuts"
"avant garde fashion choices"

Very few girls do everything right. Usually there's something off. Maybe her platform heels don't actually fit her, either too big, or too small and her toe claws are hanging over the front edge.

Maybe she's showing toe cleavage with her ballet flats.

But before you start dl'ing the latest issue of Cosmo and Vogue, what's much easier to deal with are

1) her behavior
- unconscious tics - I love the way your nose wrinkles when you laugh.

- conscious actions - If she can't walk in heels, "I love the way you stride through the crowd, you don't look like anyone else"

2) her thoughts and beliefs

This is where OP was trying to go.

She's concerned with her physical appearance, but also her self image and social appearance.

Friends - she wants to follow group think, but not follow it - ripe for all kinds of innuendo

Family - she has one, she wants one, but she wants other things

Career - is she really good enough? how come they can't accept her, warts and all. Other women at her job....

Ex.
"Going to law school in the fall, that's great"

"You don't have any reason to worry about finding a job later, I hear a lot of firms prefer a woman with work experience as opposed to a young one without"

"I bet you love to argue, I'm sure that's what all of your friends love about you"

"You seem like the kind of girl that could juggle both family and career"

"you want to do non-profit work, awesome! I've got a cousin who doe social work, she's so drained after talking to her clients, but in the end, some of them end up doing good"

Your upbeat talking to her about a fucked up decision. Your cheerfully pointing out every bad thing about what she's going in to. You're constantly seeing the good side of a personal holocaust. It's heavy conversation that appears to be light weight and fun.

When you do this, you've got to have a part 2, that brings back the good feelings, brings sex into the picture.

I ask everyone this, guys and girls, friends and strangers, "So what are your other passions?"

It allows a transition to a much easier subject for her to talk about and contribute to.

Most guys ask this question, hoping for some kinda of logical answer.
Sometimes you get something like "Animals" or "being a foodie" - those are ripe to riff off of.

What happens most often is that you get a chick who's never thought about anything - at which point she becomes your canvas.

"you say you don't have any passions, but I bet you're really good at..."

Fill in the blank. Dolphin Trainer, Lube saleswoman, food truck dispatcher, whatever you want to say.

Depending on your vibe, you can easily go neutral and then shift to sexual.

.....

And the key to remember with most verbal game, is that you rarely get obvious and clear reactions to things that are subtle. {you could say all this stuff, and not get what you want out of of it - keep that in mind}

That's the advantage of direct game, of kino, of obvious sexual innuendo - instant feedback.

What i'm talking about is more on getting control of a conversation, leading her through it, milking her for information, trying to understand what you might be getting yourself into - all the while impressing on her that you're sharp and a little dangerous (which is my M.O.)

...

As for NLP, I wasn't necessarily trying to do something like

Man that blows
Me, I like spaghetti

What the fuck
Me? I could care less

That's how I understood weasel words. (NLP) I've never tried that, cause I just couldn't believe that something like could ever work. (I mean I believe it's theorhetically possible, I guess)

When I use something like cis-gender, i'm trying to ferret out whether or not she's all XoJane/Jezebel. Does she respond to current buzzwords?

The other half of NLP is wildly descriptive language. I talk like that, cause, I like to talk like that. When I tell a joke or a story, I want someone to be in my shoes and see what I see.

"You know your boy right" - I say this to strangers

"Suited down, rocking a white shirt cause it's afterwork, cuff links in my pocket, cause I know how these nights can be...

So I'm at the spot, broughams in college basketball jersey's looking like the Fab 5, a little of that wacky tobaccy in the air, and I could see bald head security guy with his nose up trying to find the culprits...

Anyway, I see this out-of-place church girl, looking meek and mild, amidst these well seasoned, high heeled, club chicks...."

So to Recap
1. this is extra, unnecessary as there are far more efficient ways to game

2. If I can do it, anyone can do it. I'm looking at a few things, and focusing on very common problems

3. People are big balls of insecurity. You can focus on their strengths and find weakness. No need to uncover some fatal flaw.

4. You can find "interesting things" about her appearance, and make "positive" comments that will unsettle her

5. You can find "interesting things" about her unconscious behavior, deliberate actions, thoughts and beliefs - make "positive" comments and put her in a position that has her "explaining" her position, which might sound really bad when she says it out loud.

6. If you bring them low, you've got to bring them up again. So whatever politics or passion that is fucked up, you can usually find a kernel or something in it to build on. And if you're making her sad, and elating her - you should be attracting her. (so has been my experience, so says the theory)

6. Jargon/Specialized words - Use them to see if she knows them. If she does, you have an idea of what you're dealing with

7. Being descriptive is useful to you and the listener.

Fuck this was long. I hadn't really thought about it until now. Hope it's of some value to you.

WIA