Post: #51

Gotta lover her rationalization. She cuts him off from sex. He turns to fapping it with teh Pr0n. HE'S A SEX ADDICT!

Then one time, he tried to make a move, and she turned him down, and he punched a pillow. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE! CREATING A CLIMATE OF FEAR!

Feminism has succeeded because it is based on saturating the mainstream cultural consciousness with hamster food like this, so that the worst of female behavior can always be justified as the fault of men.

Post: #52

(02-16-2014 06:33 PM)Rotisserie Wrote:  Although the wife certainly deserves some blame, this divorce was partly due to the husband having poor game. Although we don't know his side of the story, we do know he showed petty, bitchy emotion when he was denied sex.

That I definitely agree with. The pouting part sounds like a pretty bad case of pillow-punching pyjamaboy pansy game to me.

I have been that dude and I remember exactly how much it sucked to be shacked up with a total sex denier. Although my situation was actually much worse than his, and I would like to think that I was never as obviously petty about it as Pillowpuncher, my frustration was still leaking out through various other butthurt-beta passive-aggressive micro-behaviors which at the time were hard for me to really keep a lid on.

Had I understood then what I understand now, the situation itself wouldn't have been different, but certainly I would have reacted very differently to it.

Desire is not negotiable.


If you are even so much as thinking something to the tune to "why doesn't she want to have sex", you've already lost. Because you've already started to negotiate with her in your head.

The men who get upset about this sort of thing are not actually men. They are the pyjamaboys who get frustrated about things like getting stuck in a traffic jam and so forth. Because a traffic jam has nothing, nothing whatsoever, to do with pyjamaboys feelings. It simply doesn't care. Pillowpuncher's fwustwated widdul feelings simply don't matter.

Any feeling of frustration about this situation that pyjamapuncher might conceivably have is nothing but a useless, bloated, painfully infected little intestinal appendix, and the only solution is to nip it right in the bud with an immediate appendectomy.

The root of the problem lies exclusively with a maladaptive and useless feeling about the situation.

What makes you a man, in fact, the only thing that will make you a man, is the wisdom to accept what is. As distinguished e.g. from resigning yourself to what is, denying what is, tooth-clenchingly tolerating what is, etc.

Post: #53

(02-16-2014 06:38 PM)Glock Wrote:  Some blame? You've got to be kidding. If his only fault is not having good enough "game," that is the same as admitting he has no real fault at all.

Whether she was 1% or 100% to blame for the divorce doesn't change the fact that the guy acted like a butthurt pussy and reacted badly when faced with what has been covered on this thread and other places extensively… marriage kills sex. 'Punching the pillow next to her' was the final nail in the coffin, and there's absolutely zero excuse to justify that. You can't show that a woman can get to your emotions in that way, ever.

Doesn't change that the girl is a coldhearted bitch and definitely was not worth marrying in the first place (a good woman understands her husband's needs), but I wouldn't vouch for the guy either.

Post: #54

(02-16-2014 09:27 PM)Rotisserie Wrote:  Doesn't change that the girl is a coldhearted bitch and definitely was not worth marrying in the first place (a good woman understands her husband's needs), but I wouldn't vouch for the guy either.

I agree wholeheartedly.

The key difference is that it is never too late for the dude to wake up, grow up, grow a pair and generally Just Get It™.

Whereas the gal basically only has until she hits the Wall. After that point, while she might still Just Get It™, she probably won't be Getting Any, or at rate, not much of it and certainly not from a man that Just Got It™. But either way, her feelings about that situation won't matter.

Post: #55

That writing reeks of a troll.

Who knows though, with the warped thinking some people have.

Post: #56

(02-16-2014 09:27 PM)Rotisserie Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 06:38 PM)Glock Wrote:  Some blame? You've got to be kidding. If his only fault is not having good enough "game," that is the same as admitting he has no real fault at all.

Whether she was 1% or 100% to blame for the divorce doesn't change the fact that the guy acted like a butthurt pussy and reacted badly when faced with what has been covered on this thread and other places extensively… marriage kills sex. 'Punching the pillow next to her' was the final nail in the coffin, and there's absolutely zero excuse to justify that. You can't show that a woman can get to your emotions in that way, ever.

Doesn't change that the girl is a coldhearted bitch and definitely was not worth marrying in the first place (a good woman understands her husband's needs), but I wouldn't vouch for the guy either.

yes the pillow punching was ridiculous. He should have pulled a move from my brother's arsenal. If she won't have sex let her know that you still have a crazy sex drive. He would go out more, and the night he was at home he would run one off and deposit it on her when she was asleep. She would wake up and have a fit and he would just say "wet dream I guess, it happens when you're all backed up" He eventually broke up with her and married her best friend...he has/had super asshole game.

Post: #57

(02-16-2014 10:11 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  He should have pulled a move from my brother's arsenal. If she won't have sex let her know that you still have a crazy sex drive. He would go out more, and the night he was at home he would run one off and deposit it on her when she was asleep. She would wake up and have a fit and he would just say "wet dream I guess, it happens when you're all backed up" He eventually broke up with her and married her best friend...he has/had super asshole game.

This is some pretty cool shit.

The only problem I see is that if the only way to thaw your wife is to break out the heavy duty a-game, she is simply not worth remaining married to, and I guess that's the problem he eventually saw as well.

Post: #58

The thing is that if she cuts you off cold and you don't have kids or a lot of shared property, it's no big deal. You can just stay cool, cut your losses and move on with your life.

If, however, you are more deeply invested, it can be worth thinking about how to turn the tables. But displays of childish frustration are not the way. A carefully planned and premeditated dread game gambit would be more like it. I.e. when you sense that you don't have much more ground to lose because she is already seriously contemplating walking away from it, it is worth taking a risk on your relationship and reframing the situation as you actually being the one who is willing to walk away.

The pillow punch was a pretty idiotic move, but it's not like that was the actual reason why the dude got reamed. A divorce was already in the offing at that point, all it took to trigger it was a final straw.

But when it's already down to that, you might as well make it count and fire a shot across the bows. As William Burroughs famously put it: "This is a war universe. War all the time. That is its nature. There may be other universes based on all sorts of other principles, but ours seems to be based on war and games. All games are basically hostile. Winners and losers."

Post: #59

Assuming of course it went down like she says - she's hardly a reliable narrator of the situation - getting butt hurt and punching the pillow was not a good move. Though sometimes appropriate displays of anger are ok. Game might have helped his marriage but there's no certainty in it. I truly think there are some women who just can't stay with the same guy after they've had a couple of kids with him. There's some evidence it's in their DNA (https://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2013/10/...iage-gene/). It's not a bad evolutionary strategy either, she locks a man down for long enough to raise one or two kids to the point of self sufficiency (7-10 years), then finds a reason to kick him to the curb and now she's able to get knocked up again by a new suitor while she still can. If you're the marrying kind you need to screen your women hard - game can't fix everything.

In any case I hope he learns something and is banging a nineteen year old waitress right now.

Post: #60

(02-16-2014 11:32 PM)Ensam Wrote:  It's not a bad evolutionary strategy either, she locks a man down for long enough to raise one or two kids to the point of self sufficiency (7-10 years), then finds a reason to kick him to the curb and now she's able to get knocked up again by a new suitor while she still can.

"While she still can" is the caveat that bears emphasis here. It isn't impossible for a smoke show in her 20s to trade up after having nixed her starter marriage. But as women's average age at first marriage continues to inch up, so does their average age at first divorce. So for the current cohort of women now marrying in their early 30s, their chances at squeezing in a second marriage before the bell rings and the Wall hits do not look encouraging.

For most divorced men that I know, divorce ultimately turned out to be the best thing a woman ever did for them.

Post: #61

(02-16-2014 11:58 PM)WD-40 Wrote:  For most divorced men that I know, divorce ultimately turned out to be the best thing a woman ever did for them.

Would you care to explain that one a little further? I thought the data showed that most men get depressed and have a very hard time after a divorce. Do share your experience to the contrary.

Post: #62

Quote:Had I understood then what I understand now, the situation itself wouldn't have been different, but certainly I would have reacted very differently to it.

Desire is not negotiable.

This is a really good point.

If you had a wife who blew up to 300 pounds, cut her hair short, stopped showering, and then pestered you for sex everyday, I would bet most of you would find that situation annoying. Most any man would leave the marriage in that situation.

I imagine that this woman felt the same way at a subconscious level- that some man who was being needy and insecure, and who she had zero attraction to, was pressuring for her sex everyday. So of course she left.

That's not to say that it's right that we need game for a successful marriage- rather it's just how it is.

Now, it may have been different back in the old days. At one point in time, boys were raised with the idea they would be the leader in the marriage, and girls that they would follow their husband. Religion was stronger, and taught that the man led in the marriage. The man had the right to slap his wife if it came to that. Marital rape didn't exist so a man wouldn't need to plead for sex like a beggar, he could just take it. Men were taught that they should lead and given support by society to do so. Divorce carried a strong social stigma, and the woman might not be provided for if her man left.

This prevented the modern situation where a man becomes a sniveling pajama boy, where he loses control of his marriage, and his wife loses her attraction for him.

But now the world has changed, where so much as shouting at your wife can be considered abuse, where girls are taught that is demeaning to have the man in charge of the relationship, and where if they divorce they will get "You go Girl!" from society and lots of $$$$$ from the courts. Or, even if they don't divorce, they can be a bitch within the marriage and make life miserable at home, they can have a sexless marriage, they can cheat, all without anything in the way of consequence.

So, as best all I can tell, all we have to rely on nowadays is Game to keep the woman happy and the relationship afloat.

But that still strikes me as a sucker's bet. I don't know but you all, but I still mess up sometimes with Game. I don't bat .1000, I don't always pass every shit test with flying colors. But as an unmarried man, that's fine. I mess up, I might lose that girl, but then there plenty of more women out there in the world to try again with. Just move on to the next one. If I'm going through a rough stretch in life for whatever reason, I can always take a couple weeks off game and then get right back at it. But if you are married and mess up with game- well then there you risk divorce rape.

Post: #63

(02-17-2014 12:06 AM)Glock Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 11:58 PM)WD-40 Wrote:  For most divorced men that I know, divorce ultimately turned out to be the best thing a woman ever did for them.

Would you care to explain that one a little further? I thought the data showed that most men get depressed and have a very hard time after a divorce. Do share your experience to the contrary.

The two are not mutually exclusive. My divorce (initiated by my wife, of course) was the most painful experience of my life. I was depressed for about 6 months. Couldn't sleep. Could barely go to work. Couldn't understand why she left. Blamed myself. Wondered why my marriage didn't last like my parents and my brothers.

But when I came out of that, I was 10X stronger. Understood women better. Understood myself better. Read more about men, women, relationships, feminism and game than I had in all my years prior. So now I'm more cynical, but far more knowledgable. Not sure i'll ever get married again, but if I do, i'll be much better prepared. So yeah, it was the best thing that ever happened to me.

Post: #64

(02-17-2014 12:43 AM)Walter White Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 12:06 AM)Glock Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 11:58 PM)WD-40 Wrote:  For most divorced men that I know, divorce ultimately turned out to be the best thing a woman ever did for them.

Would you care to explain that one a little further? I thought the data showed that most men get depressed and have a very hard time after a divorce. Do share your experience to the contrary.

The two are not mutually exclusive. My divorce (initiated by my wife, of course) was the most painful experience of my life. I was depressed for about 6 months. Couldn't sleep. Could barely go to work. Couldn't understand why she left. Blamed myself. Wondered why my marriage didn't last like my parents and my brothers.

But when I came out of that, I was 10X stronger. Understood women better. Understood myself better. Read more about men, women, relationships, feminism and game than I had in all my years prior. So now I'm more cynical, but far more knowledgable. Not sure i'll ever get married again, but if I do, i'll be much better prepared. So yeah, it was the best thing that ever happened to me.

I see. It's the "best" thing that ever happened to you in the Nietzschean sense that whatever does not kill you makes you stronger.

I had hoped that you meant that you were just happier after divorce than you were while married, rather than simply becoming stronger through endurance of adversity and pain.

Post: #65

(02-17-2014 12:45 AM)Glock Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 12:43 AM)Walter White Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 12:06 AM)Glock Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 11:58 PM)WD-40 Wrote:  For most divorced men that I know, divorce ultimately turned out to be the best thing a woman ever did for them.

Would you care to explain that one a little further? I thought the data showed that most men get depressed and have a very hard time after a divorce. Do share your experience to the contrary.

The two are not mutually exclusive. My divorce (initiated by my wife, of course) was the most painful experience of my life. I was depressed for about 6 months. Couldn't sleep. Could barely go to work. Couldn't understand why she left. Blamed myself. Wondered why my marriage didn't last like my parents and my brothers.

But when I came out of that, I was 10X stronger. Understood women better. Understood myself better. Read more about men, women, relationships, feminism and game than I had in all my years prior. So now I'm more cynical, but far more knowledgable. Not sure i'll ever get married again, but if I do, i'll be much better prepared. So yeah, it was the best thing that ever happened to me.

I see. It's the "best" thing that ever happened to you in the Nietzschean sense that whatever does not kill you makes you stronger.

I had hoped that you meant that you were just happier after divorce than you were while married, rather than simply becoming stronger through endurance of adversity and pain.

I'm happier alone than I ever was before being married. Before we're married, guys imagine that being married will be nice and long for it. Nothing like a bad marriage to make a guy appreciate being alone! Now, I'm THRILLED when I have a weekend to myself to do what I want to do without some wife nagging me. I truly believe that women have a inborn tendency to push and push and push boundaries. Like children do. And you need to set some boundaries on that. And nature has equipped men very well to set boundaries with women. And just as children need boundaries, I believe women crave strong men who will put a stop to her bullshit, who will set boundaries for her and her crazy emotions. But today, if you grab her arm or raise your voice when she moans endlessly, the law says your an abuser. So I believe we've taken away a lot of the natural element of relationships. I'm not for hitting women. But I am for letting them know they are pushing you in that direction. There should be a healthy respect for the man of the house and it doesn't exist anymore.

Post: #66

(02-17-2014 12:52 AM)Walter White Wrote:  I'm happier alone than I ever was before being married. Before we're married, guys imagine that being married will be nice and long for it. Nothing like a bad marriage to make a guy appreciate being alone! Now, I'm THRILLED when I have a weekend to myself to do what I want to do without some wife nagging me. I truly believe that women have a inborn tendency to push and push and push boundaries. Like children do. And you need to set some boundaries on that. And nature has equipped men very well to set boundaries with women. And just as children need boundaries, I believe women crave strong men who will put a stop to her bullshit, who will set boundaries for her and her crazy emotions. But today, if you grab her arm or raise your voice when she moans endlessly, the law says your an abuser. So I believe we've taken away a lot of the natural element of relationships. I'm not for hitting women. But I am for letting them know they are pushing you in that direction. There should be a healthy respect for the man of the house and it doesn't exist anymore.

Very interesting. I assume from this that you are having no problem finding other women to enjoy.

From my perspective, one of the benefits of being married is that you don't have to incur the search costs of finding new women all the time. I really don't have time to approach women in coffee shops, online, etc. Because I'm married, it's really a question of rolling over or scheduling a night out, and it's basically guarantee that I'm getting lucky.

I doubt that I could get as much action as a single guy as I get as a married guy. Recently, some of the single guys in the forum posted their stats for sleeping with women during 2013. I think someone got laid 100 times. Well, a lot of married guys are getting that much action, and more, with a tiny fraction of the effort, because they don't ever have to find a new woman.

Post: #67

(02-17-2014 01:02 AM)Glock Wrote:  Very interesting. I assume from this that you are having no problem finding other women to enjoy.

From my perspective, one of the benefits of being married is that you don't have to incur the search costs of finding new women all the time. I really don't have time to approach women in coffee shops, online, etc. Because I'm married, it's really a question of rolling over or scheduling a night out, and it's basically guarantee that I'm getting lucky.

I doubt that I could get as much action as a single guy as I get as a married guy. Recently, some of the single guys in the forum posted their stats for sleeping with women during 2013. I think someone got laid 100 times. Well, a lot of married guys are getting that much action, and more, with a tiny fraction of the effort, because they don't ever have to find a new woman.

I haven't had any problem. I live in a major city, make good cash, am reasonably good looking. Now, as you get over 40, getting the 20-somethings is tougher. But there are still a lot of stunning 34 yr olds I pull.

From a sexual satisfaction standpoint, being single is far superior than being married, not b/c of frequency, which as you point out can be higher in marriage (though it often isn't, after a few years). It's the VARIETY that makes bacherlorhood such a thrill. Any relationship, after a few years, the sparks fade and the sex becomes familiar. At least for guys. We want to conquer new worlds!

I'm not opposed to marriage but I think it is very, very difficult to find a woman with the values to make it last. Then you have to hope she ages well and stays fit, and is a great mom. It's incredibly tough to have it all work out! I tell young guys to look for it, but don't be upset if you don't find it. DON'T SETTLE! Find the woman who has the values you want. If you never find her, you'll be pretty happy on your own. Women not so much: If they don't have a guy to drain energy and resources from and to plant his baby batter in their womb, they aren't happy and they aren't fulfilled. Guys on the other hand just need some occasional hot ass and a few hobbies to be fulfilled. We're much more likely to end up happy.

Post: #68

(02-17-2014 12:43 AM)Walter White Wrote:  My divorce (initiated by my wife, of course) was the most painful experience of my life. … now I'm more cynical, but far more knowledgable.

My parents, married for almost 30 years now, each had a previous failed marriage before they found each other in their early 30s. My mom is a neurotic mess, so my parents current marriage works mostly because my father has relationship game, which has some similarities to normal game, including never being emotionally affected by anything my mom ever does or says. He diffuses everything with teasing and sarcasm in a very calm tone. When I joke about red pill shit, my dad laughs his ass off, and my mom wonders aloud how she raised someone like me.

I had my own 'scarring' experience back in high school. It taught me to 'screen' better, to be a lot colder, to always be ready to walk out. It made me A LOT more knowledgeable. And yes, a lot happier, especially considering I got into an LTR with a real catch soon afterward.

Post: #69

(02-17-2014 01:14 AM)Rotisserie Wrote:  My mom is a neurotic mess

Goes with having a vagina, it seems. But of course you can't say that in our politically correct age.

Previous generations KNEW women were crazy. The word "hysterectomy" comes from the word "hysteria"...people believed that a woman's vajayjay is what made her so nuts, so when you removed it she should be more...normal. "Hysteria" was a commonly diagnosed disease for women in the early 20th century. We have just as many batshit insane shrews in our society, probably more, because we thrust women into unnatural leadership and career roles that they are unsuited for. But of course we have to pretend to be SHOCKED! whenever one of them acts a little cray-cray...

Post: #70

Wow. Sounds like the guy had no married man game.

Guys. This woman is a bitch. No arguments.

However, she is a bitch because the husband wasn't doing his job and smoothing her rough edges. It's not just all alpha all the time that chicks crave.

Some nice guy, support around the house - WHEN YOU ARE MARRIED - can really go a long way. "His touch repulsed me" clearly he not only demanded sex alot, he did nothing to stoke her desire. He made displays of low value somewhere along the way enough times that we was revolted by him. There was a lot more going wrong than what she was talking about.

Post: #71

(02-17-2014 12:06 AM)Glock Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 11:58 PM)WD-40 Wrote:  For most divorced men that I know, divorce ultimately turned out to be the best thing a woman ever did for them.

Would you care to explain that one a little further? I thought the data showed that most men get depressed and have a very hard time after a divorce. Do share your experience to the contrary.

Men definitely do get depressed and have a very hard time. Unless, of course, they happen to be psychopaths or they got divorced because they monkey-branched onto younger-hotter-tighter.

On average, a man can count on taking about a 3-5 year hit. During these doldrums, his life will move sideways or downhill while he tries to put himself back together again. But after bottoming out, he will begin to slowly regain momentum and rebuild.

To give one example: Several after suffering through a brutal divorce including false domestic violence accusations, restraining orders, punitive alimony and every other dirty trick in the book, a close friend of mine remarried. This time around, to a younger, grade AAA woman who is a hard 9 in the looks department, has a pleasant disposition and just happens to also hold a PhD in neuroeconomics and be fluent in 3 languages. And if that wasn't enough for you, they live in Antigua. Their house- I have seen pictures- is rather nice. By any objective measure, one cannot say that he has done poorly.

I myself, to give another example, wasn't hit nearly as hard as he was and took longer to recover. And also, I have not done nearly as well than my friend has when it comes to women. I was much younger and less mature and experienced when it hit me, thus had less of a base to rebuild on. So experience and maturity are huge factors in terms of how long it takes to bounce back. But let's put it this way- I do not live in a shantytown and I do not eat cat food. While I certainly can't complain, the best part is that the best is yet to come: on average, men earn two thirds of their lifetime income between the ages of 40 and 55. By having thus far remained unencumbered, I have been able to set my career and personal life up in such a way that these earnings will a) be quite considerable and b) fully redound to my own advantage.

As a woman marrying, say, at age 25-30, these days you need to stick with the program for 10-15 years until the twin jackpots of a male's psychological maturity and financial success actually begin to fully accrue. In that sense, marrying a man is basically a form of growth investing- you have to lock him down early, before he has begun to realize his own long-term market value. And once a woman has locked him down, she then needs to have the wisdom and patience to ride out the rough patches until at least his mid forties or so. Because if she throws in the towel too early, after he recovers he gets to Have It All and Keep It All.

And.
She.
Is.
Left.
With.
Basically.
Nothing.

Post: #72

Understand this, all you guys blaming a man for not having enough game to keep his marriage together. Listen to yourselves.

When you are married in contemporary western societies, displaying dominant behavior in the marriage can always be interpreted by the hamster chorus as abuse or violence. And trust me the hamster chorus will interpret things that way and share their thoughts with your woman.

Understand with marriage game in the west, it is potentially you against your wife's world (family, girlfriends, media) as soon as there is a perception she has been wronged in some way. That is a hell of a battle.

In my experience, single life (in both my 20s and in my 40s) has been quite easy in comparison. All you need to do is have value, play women off of each other and it is smooth sailing. Married game, you are playing with a stacked deck.

Post: #73

From the blog post:

Quote:He told me that he was being respectful by only wanting it daily, because he thought three times a day or more would be a good amount, but even he realized that was a bit much to ask of a wife. See? He was being really respectful of me! Why didn’t I appreciate him more?

When you’re with someone that wants it all the time, there’s never a chance for you to want it. You know he’s constantly thinking about it. It’s the only way he feels like he’s living, and it drains the life out of you.

He turned to porn. I wished he would turn to other women, but as the long-suffering husband, I don’t think his psyche would allow for it. The porn further warped his sexual expectations, and his bitterness at my continued reluctance to be physically intimate with him more than three or four times a week grew.

In all fairness, if (big if) what she is saying is an accurate description, I understand why she feels there was a problem.

But to me, it seems iike she wants it to sound like she consistently wanted sex 3-4x a week (but no more than that). Whereas the truth is probably that this was based on selective memory... because yeah, actually maybe there were a couple of weeks a year where she really wanted sex 3-4x in that week...

Post: #74

(02-17-2014 02:13 AM)WD-40 Wrote:  if she throws in the towel too early, after he recovers he gets to Have It All and Keep It All.

And.
She.
Is.
Left.
With.
Basically.
Nothing.

That was true in my case. The wife was beautiful and successful when we divorced; the world was her oyster. Since then, she remarried, shit out a kid, and 10 years later looks like hell. I, on the other hand, look better than I ever have thanks to committed weightlifting and diet, and I am more successful than I've ever been. I'm over 40 and ALL that money is going in my pocket, not being purloined by the mendaciousness of some "equitable distribution" state divorce law.

Took me about two years to go from super-low to OK. That's pretty quick. But, we had no kids together and I didn't get ass-raped financially; YMMV.

Post: #75

(02-17-2014 09:39 AM)rastignac Wrote:  dominant behavior in the marriage can always be interpreted by the hamster chorus as abuse or violence. And trust me the hamster chorus will interpret things that way and share their thoughts with your woman.

Understand with marriage game in the west, it is potentially you against your wife's world (family, girlfriends, media) as soon as there is a perception she has been wronged in some way. That is a hell of a battle.

In my experience, single life (in both my 20s and in my 40s) has been quite easy in comparison. All you need to do is have value, play women off of each other and it is smooth sailing. Married game, you are playing with a stacked deck.

So true! My ex-wife had this bitter friend. The friend was left standing at the alter by a fiancé! Not surprisingly, she hated men after that. And, like most women, she HATED to see my wife and I happy. So she would spout poison in my ex-wife's ear. Everything I did was "controlling, abuse" etc. All my wifes ugly single friends did the same. And I would tell her "you realize these girls don't want to see you happy, right? You're the ONLY ONE of them married, and married to a financially successful guy. You don't think they are jealous of that? Can't you find some women who is happily married 10-15 yrs to talk about our marriage with? You might get a useful perspective rather than a bitter one".

But of course, women are herd animals, lemmings, and my wife's hamster chorus led her straight off the cliff!

Best thing that ever happened to me!