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RE: How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread
There are 2 types in my opinion.
Initial signals
That's when girls do the typical things that mainstream talks about. Girls usually show them when they like you from the start but don't really know you at all. You're her type physically, there's something about you that draw their attention to you, perceived social status, maybe social proof, etc. That's when girls play with her hair, lean in, stay near you, observe and look at you, or do more subtle things like...
Quote:Women do become sexually aroused by the presence of a guy who either subcommunicates alpha traits or just looks good to her in some way. It happens in microseconds, just the same as it does in men when they see a woman they like. None of this "men are like a lightswitch; women are like a fader knob" shit - they are pretty much the same as us.
As your social acuity improves, you will see in real time that she is affected by your presence. Examples:
-Two girls are talking. You walk past, and suddenly one of their voices gets louder, and stops sounding natural. Sometimes this is followed by nervous laughter to cover it up.
-You walk up to the bar and suddenly girl starts fumbling with menu.
-Out of the corner of your eye you can see that the girl's gestures have become more pronounced and unnatural, as though self-conscious.
-Any situation where her behaviour suddenly becomes less natural and more pronounced as a result of your arrival. We assume it's sexual arousal because a) ALL interactions between men and women are sexual by nature, and b) If it's a low-value male with weak body language he will not affect her and her behaviour will not change, implying that she is subconsciously screening for sexual traits.
I call all of these overexertions because her body language and behaviours become more pronounced, and she "exerts" herself more for your benefit.
The previous behaviours occur when her being affected has just entered her awareness. When it has been in her awareness a bit longer, she may begin doing things like:
-If she noticed you earlier, she will suddenly appear next to you at the bar. C'mon, we have all had that happen at some point - a girl you know saw you suddenly appears next to you wherever you are.
-She may create a subtle situation for you to open her with, e.g. taking an inordinate amount of time choosing songs on the jukebox etc.
-Not so subtle situations, such as knocking into you at the bar.
-If she is particularly ballsy or just plain drunk, this could go to a full blown AI such as sitting on your lap, pinching your arse etc. These are rare but they do happen. Like I say, alcohol often plays a role here.
What I am trying to get you to think about here is that even if you don't consider yourself attractive, you will have SOME of these overexertions coming your way from SOME girls who just like your look or who aren't used to screening men very hard for alpha traits. Focusing on these girls will increase your lay rate considerably.
Girls who are not used to screening, who you will see more of these overexertions from, include: fatties and less hot girls who don't get a lot of male attention, and YOUNGER girls who are inexperienced with men. This latter category is cool because many of them are very hot and simply haven't yet learnt the art of a) Screening for alphas and b) Hiding their sexual arousal.
Knowing how to spot overexertions is entirely how naturals get laid.
Real signals
That's when the girl actually starts to like you, gets intimidated, aroused, and becomes self conscious, around you, stiff, doesn't know what to say and what to do with her hands, her hamster runs on nitro, wants to impress you somehow and usually looks stupid when she tries, becomes submissive, etc. In short she becomes boring. That's when you know she's REALLY into you. This tends to happen later on.
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Hazaer 
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RE: How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread
(02-01-2017 12:15 PM)XXL Wrote: There are 2 types in my opinion.
Initial signals
That's when girls do the typical things that mainstream talks about. Girls usually show them when they like you from the start but don't really know you at all. You're her type physically, there's something about you that draw their attention to you, perceived social status, maybe social proof, etc. That's when girls play with her hair, lean in, stay near you, observe and look at you, or do more subtle things like...
Quote:Women do become sexually aroused by the presence of a guy who either subcommunicates alpha traits or just looks good to her in some way. It happens in microseconds, just the same as it does in men when they see a woman they like. None of this "men are like a lightswitch; women are like a fader knob" shit - they are pretty much the same as us.
As your social acuity improves, you will see in real time that she is affected by your presence. Examples:
-Two girls are talking. You walk past, and suddenly one of their voices gets louder, and stops sounding natural. Sometimes this is followed by nervous laughter to cover it up.
-You walk up to the bar and suddenly girl starts fumbling with menu.
-Out of the corner of your eye you can see that the girl's gestures have become more pronounced and unnatural, as though self-conscious.
-Any situation where her behaviour suddenly becomes less natural and more pronounced as a result of your arrival. We assume it's sexual arousal because a) ALL interactions between men and women are sexual by nature, and b) If it's a low-value male with weak body language he will not affect her and her behaviour will not change, implying that she is subconsciously screening for sexual traits.
I call all of these overexertions because her body language and behaviours become more pronounced, and she "exerts" herself more for your benefit.
The previous behaviours occur when her being affected has just entered her awareness. When it has been in her awareness a bit longer, she may begin doing things like:
-If she noticed you earlier, she will suddenly appear next to you at the bar. C'mon, we have all had that happen at some point - a girl you know saw you suddenly appears next to you wherever you are.
-She may create a subtle situation for you to open her with, e.g. taking an inordinate amount of time choosing songs on the jukebox etc.
-Not so subtle situations, such as knocking into you at the bar.
-If she is particularly ballsy or just plain drunk, this could go to a full blown AI such as sitting on your lap, pinching your arse etc. These are rare but they do happen. Like I say, alcohol often plays a role here.
What I am trying to get you to think about here is that even if you don't consider yourself attractive, you will have SOME of these overexertions coming your way from SOME girls who just like your look or who aren't used to screening men very hard for alpha traits. Focusing on these girls will increase your lay rate considerably.
Girls who are not used to screening, who you will see more of these overexertions from, include: fatties and less hot girls who don't get a lot of male attention, and YOUNGER girls who are inexperienced with men. This latter category is cool because many of them are very hot and simply haven't yet learnt the art of a) Screening for alphas and b) Hiding their sexual arousal.
Knowing how to spot overexertions is entirely how naturals get laid.
Real signals
That's when the girl actually starts to like you, gets intimidated, aroused, and becomes self conscious, around you, stiff, doesn't know what to say and what to do with her hands, her hamster runs on nitro, wants to impress you somehow and usually looks stupid when she tries, becomes submissive, etc. In short she becomes boring. That's when you know she's REALLY into you. This tends to happen later on.
The part about Real Signals is interesting. Guys who are not used to much attention from girls might take this to be disinterest although this is the time the guy has to take charge and escalate to the next level.
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Hazaer
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RE: How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread
(02-01-2017 06:46 AM)Hazaer Wrote: (01-30-2017 07:17 AM)Hazaer Wrote: I was going to start a new thread but I notice this one might be relevant to my query and bring out a point that I havent seen mentioned. Guys who are starting out in game not having had much success might relate to this.
Girls giving IOIs when it is clear that they have a bf/partner:
My first suspicion based on experience is that they are doing it to get their partner jealous. But how do we confirm it? What are the tell tale signs to gauge genuine interest as opposed to attention whoring?
Also, if they are doing it for their partner, how does one respond in a way that demonstrates high value and at the same time also tells her that he is not some beta to be used for her own purposes?
Thanks for your opinions.
I understand women want to be admired by men. But my query was about differentiating that need for attention between you, the guy she is sending signals to and some other guy she wants to impress by making you respond to her.
After looking at the patterns from these rather unpleasant encounters with girls I realised something. Girls who are not into you but nevertheless gives you initial IOIs for any number of reasons share this common trait:
They NEVER display these IOIs when there is a one-on-one situation where she is caught isolated and you can approach freely. Most of the time when they are attention whoring for purposes other than you, they are either with
(a) Other people which can include their partners who they want to be 'impress' OR
(b) They are on the phone/doing other work where they can still display signals of attraction but you it would be very hard for you to approach.
This leads to the conclusion of previous posters who have alluded to the fact that girls who are genuinely interested in you will give you or create a few opportunities to approach her one-on-one.
I might not have reinvented the wheel but I have not come across people discussing such revolting attention whoring by girls who actually want to impress their partners but instead might offend both the guys. I have also found this to be the case with girls who have rejected the guy before but still wants him to be her friend/orbiter. In my case, I normally restrict my interactions with these kinds of girls to exchanging greetings upon running into them but this never seems to stop them from engaging in these antics constantly and persistently.
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ksbms 
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RE: How to tell if a girl really likes you ...the IOI thread
If you're looking for IOIs, you'll miss the girls that can be taken on amber. Most girls won't give you green light. My all DG bangs came from girls who either gave me none or I didn't notice signals from them. On a date a situation is a bit different. If she came out on a date and is there, sitting next to you, it's all that matters. Escalate gradually both verbally and physically. Does she accept your saying you like her e.g., legs/lips/hips? Does she accept your squeezing her knees, touching her hands, playing with her hair? Then that's what matters. Girls rarely act, that's man's role. The overarching frame is: a man acts, a woman reacts. So proactively employ actions to receive IOIs. Often no negative reaction, is to be interpreted as POSITIVE reaction.
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