Post: #51

(06-24-2014 05:18 AM)spalex Wrote:  [quote='L M McCoy' pid='762710' dateline='1403582430']
I don't want you guys calling me a revolutionary but how about we keep religion out of this

Quote:This is going to turn into the "is islam redpill?" thread sooner or later.
But I will just say that Islam is not a religion anyway.

Why? I've stated that I've never been muslim. All I wanted to know was why wouldn't an ME dude such as myself be able to do well in Europe? Roosh did well there and when I went I had multiple bitches on my nuts.

I'm thinking about brushing it off as guys just not wanting their local women fucked by ME guys since they dislike them because they associate most of them islam.

Post: #52

L M McCoy you can't talk about Middle Eastern men and game without religion being mentioned, it'd just be the elephant in the room. That said there's no need for this to become an Islam bashing thread. I think we all agree that religious Muslims, and religious people in general really, have less success with women. Let's leave it at that.

If you're background is Christian and you're afraid of the Muslim association hurting you, specifically say that you're Lebanese Maronite etc. at first then explain what that means when asked. After all the Middle Eastern Christian denominations are their own ethno-religious groups in the first place. Most people don't realize that most of the Lebanese and Egyptian diaspora for example aren't Muslim. There's nothing wrong with being very clear about your heritage if being vague could hurt your results.

Post: #53

(06-24-2014 07:16 AM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 05:46 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  I’m from UK and every year I go back I see more and more white women wearing headscarves, because they’ve converted to Islam.

Another proof of the sheer supidity and ignorance of white women brainwashed by PC bullshit.

Not exactly. More proof that the feminists and elites allow muslims to have their patriarchal culture, while any attempt at anything close to that by native Europeans would be completely destroyed.

You NEVER hear feminists going after the wildly discriminating gender roles of local muslims. Instead they make up stuff like 'everyday sexism' if some poor hipster dude looks at one of them a second too long.

Post: #54

Have a beer, eat a hot dog in public and everyone will know you're one of them seriously. Northern Euros strongly distrust people who don't drink, native or foreign.

Post: #55

(06-24-2014 12:24 PM)berserk Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 07:16 AM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 05:46 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  I’m from UK and every year I go back I see more and more white women wearing headscarves, because they’ve converted to Islam.

Another proof of the sheer supidity and ignorance of white women brainwashed by PC bullshit.

Not exactly. More proof that the feminists and elites allow muslims to have their patriarchal culture, while any attempt at anything close to that by native Europeans would be completely destroyed.

You NEVER hear feminists going after the wildly discriminating gender roles of local muslims. Instead they make up stuff like 'everyday sexism' if some poor hipster dude looks at one of them a second too long.

Off-topic but: The no. 1 argument I see in the media about problems with Muslims is how they treat women, but it's never actually the feminists themselves who go around saying that... Feminists are more afraid of being seen as racist then any other group, period. The easiest way to fuck with a feminists head is to bring up that their favourite oppressed racial minorities have traditional views on gender, because it blows a hole in their victim narrative worldview.

Post: #56

Yeah I really never understood why feminists never had a problem with women being slaves in islamic culture.

Post: #57

Deluge, would you say that white Australian men are more alpha than men from other Anglo nations?

I've heard a lot about Aussie men being ultramasculine types.

Post: #58

(06-23-2014 05:46 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 05:18 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  In the UK, Muslim men are perceived as perverse and creepy. The situation is so bad that a lot of Muslim men are grooming prepubescent girls from the council housing estates. Black men, on the other hand, are seen very favorably. A black guy can clean up with fine white girls in London.

UK Muslim men are mainly Pakistani/Indian, so I don't know if Arabs or Turks would do as badly.

I grew up around British Pakistani or Bangladeshi Muslim men - most of them are pretty normal and many of them do not have beards or wear Islamic clothing. They're indistinguishable from UK Indians.

Most UK Muslim men are Pakistani – I think less than 15% are Indian. Of those Pakistani guys, most of Mirpuri, which is the most backwards area of Pakistan. I’m from UK and every year I go back I see more and more white women wearing headscarves, because they’ve converted to Islam. Some Muslim men do have game!

BTW Many Indian Muslims intensely dislike Pakistanis.

My statements were more applicable to the Muslims in Bradford/Oldham/Manchester. I've heard bad things. A lot of the Muslims there came from Mirpur, as you said.

I believe the situation is better in London and the suburbs. I'm assuming you grew up there. The Muslim immigrants there are more middle class, with many coming to work in the British NHS.

One reason Afro-Carribean guys seem to do so well with women in the UK, even relative to black guys in America, is probably that they tend to be less ghettoized and more middle class. Better assimilated.

Assimilation matters a lot if you come from a minority group.

Post: #59

Blacks in the UK are not more middle class however culturally they are almost identical to white British people. They come from English speaking Christian colonies moulded by British values so the differences are minor

Post: #60

White British men don't do well in their own country, although overseas they are valued highly, unless you go to the real touristy locations where the degenerates and hooligans go to. British men overall are a lot better looking than the women and have the accent which brings in the bitches.

British women on the other hand are generally a lot poorer in terms of looks and character. The best looking ones usually come from the middle class county towns, and are spending their best years in some London office. The biggest thing to realise here, is that British men look after themselves more than the women do.

About the racial dynamic, well black people don't assimilate better or worse than in America. They do well with women because British women have a lot of sex and become desensitized to British men and want to go for something different. Also most female national celebrities and music stars which girls look up to are dating, having kids with black guys.


Interesting to predict the cultural clash going on here. In East London there have been a lot of attacks on homosexuals by muslim teenagers, pretty bad stuff. The gentrified areas in which the hipsters live in, is stuck in the middle of a muslim majority borough. However this receives little press attention.

Post: #61

Extremely obsequious and creepy behaviour really aren't doing any favours for Middle Eastern men:

https://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read....st15674155

https://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read....st15683345

https://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read....st15691237

Post: #62

(06-26-2014 04:49 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  Deluge, would you say that white Australian men are more alpha than men from other Anglo nations?

I've heard a lot about Aussie men being ultramasculine types.

I wouldn't say Australian men aren't ultra masculine, but I do have a suspicion we approach more at night then other Anglo men do.

Post: #63

(06-23-2014 09:06 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

Quote: ^I think if you have to resort to pretending youre another ethnicity to get girls, you already lost at game.

So lying in your advantage is losing? Guess guys shouldn't lie about their age and jobs either then. north african or middle eastern guys who LIVE here, in western europe, are much better off lying about their ethnicity AND/OR he should completely change his lifestyle and attitude. most girls would rather date a black or asian guy than to be seen with a typical north african. girls here typically don't like muslims. Nothing against these guys at all since they are cool but most of them aren't successful with women at all HERE in western europe.

Also to clarify, this doesn't count if you're an arab tourist from the US

Ideally, yes, pretending youre something youre not is something I try to not do as much as I can.

However when it comes to your ethnicity, this becomes way more humiliating in my eyes.

You are basically denying part of your identity and your parents' just to get a girl to like you. In my eyes that means you lost.

There is no sense of achievement or satisfaction in this case. Youll have a good time but to me its like getting a prostitute.

Post: #64

(06-27-2014 01:03 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 04:49 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  Deluge, would you say that white Australian men are more alpha than men from other Anglo nations?

I've heard a lot about Aussie men being ultramasculine types.

I wouldn't say Australian men are ultra masculine, but I do have a suspicion we approach more at night then other Anglo men do.

Correction.

Post: #65

(06-26-2014 04:49 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  Deluge, would you say that white Australian men are more alpha than men from other Anglo nations?

I've heard a lot about Aussie men being ultramasculine types.

Compared to white Americans and English dudes, yes. More assertive, more confident, humour is more demeaning of other person than self-deprecating.

Post: #66

I think the general consensus is that among Anglo men,

Aussie>English>American>Canadian

Not sure where the Kiwis fit in, though I think the Maori/Pacific Islander influence makes them tougher.

Post: #67

(06-26-2014 06:16 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  White British men don't do well in their own country, although overseas they are valued highly, unless you go to the real touristy locations where the degenerates and hooligans go to. British men overall are a lot better looking than the women and have the accent which brings in the bitches.

British women on the other hand are generally a lot poorer in terms of looks and character. The best looking ones usually come from the middle class county towns, and are spending their best years in some London office. The biggest thing to realise here, is that British men look after themselves more than the women do.

About the racial dynamic, well black people don't assimilate better or worse than in America. They do well with women because British women have a lot of sex and become desensitized to British men and want to go for something different. Also most female national celebrities and music stars which girls look up to are dating, having kids with black guys.


Interesting to predict the cultural clash going on here. In East London there have been a lot of attacks on homosexuals by muslim teenagers, pretty bad stuff. The gentrified areas in which the hipsters live in, is stuck in the middle of a muslim majority borough. However this receives little press attention.

White British men could cleanup in America, for sure. As could Afro-Carribean British men. The accent is really popular with American chicks.
I also think British men are bit less feminized too than Americans. Due to whole drinking, football/soccer, hooligan, chav culture.

I've heard women in the affluent suburbs in south England are the best looking, while up north it's pretty ugly.

I've noticed white British guys really fetishize black-Carribean culture. A lot of them speak in Jamaican patois and listen to rap. Brits are very standoffishness with South Asians (especially Muslims) and keep their distance (both male and female), but embrace black culture readily.

Post: #68

I think it really depends on your looks and how you carry to some extent

I lived in Netherlands for almost 3 years . They have a lot of muslims from mainly Turkey and Morocco and not so much from Iran , Somalia , and other arab and african countries

I have seen do well mostly famous example Badr Hari , and some that dont.
1 think I think that plays a major role is racism let me explain why in Netherlands there is this politician that always talk bad about Muslim immigrants that they are multiplying fast to take the world , building mosque and change everything.

2 There is a lot of cultural difference . Not drinking , fasting , the way they dress .. .. and people that you don't have a lot in common wont get along easy with people who you dont have a lot in common unless you grow up around them. and since they are immigrants they didn't grow around them till this they I have seen in Netherlands where non western immigrants go live native dutch people moves out and faster when they are muslim

and with non western immigrants I mean Arabs from Turkey Morroco , Caribbean Blacks , Other Africans .

Only in some big cities with mix of immigrants you can score easy Amsterdam and Rotterdam. Most of the white girls in other towns that like non white they most of the times leave their city and go to the big cities to meet people .

So make a long story short here are some tips 1 try to be different dont go out in groups .3 person is ok . Dont dress non western , you can wear urban clothes or casual polo shirt but do not wear Hijab. Go to upscale tourist spots , dont go to where only the locals go , they have a reason why it is like that they probably dont want non white there. And avoid cities with extreme segregated population.

Post: #69

I talked to few europeans. (French, german, swedish)

Once you get them to talk, they talk about bad things of middle eastern looking guys.(including turks)
'Oh they come to my country and dont want to respect the law blahblah'

They are taking some part of europe (eg: sweden)
As their population grows, the resentment towards them from local people will get bigger.

Post: #70

(06-27-2014 06:58 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 06:16 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  White British men don't do well in their own country, although overseas they are valued highly, unless you go to the real touristy locations where the degenerates and hooligans go to. British men overall are a lot better looking than the women and have the accent which brings in the bitches.

British women on the other hand are generally a lot poorer in terms of looks and character. The best looking ones usually come from the middle class county towns, and are spending their best years in some London office. The biggest thing to realise here, is that British men look after themselves more than the women do.

About the racial dynamic, well black people don't assimilate better or worse than in America. They do well with women because British women have a lot of sex and become desensitized to British men and want to go for something different. Also most female national celebrities and music stars which girls look up to are dating, having kids with black guys.


Interesting to predict the cultural clash going on here. In East London there have been a lot of attacks on homosexuals by muslim teenagers, pretty bad stuff. The gentrified areas in which the hipsters live in, is stuck in the middle of a muslim majority borough. However this receives little press attention.

White British men could cleanup in America, for sure. As could Afro-Carribean British men. The accent is really popular with American chicks.
I also think British men are bit less feminized too than Americans. Due to whole drinking, football/soccer, hooligan, chav culture.

I've heard women in the affluent suburbs in south England are the best looking, while up north it's pretty ugly.

I've noticed white British guys really fetishize black-Carribean culture. A lot of them speak in Jamaican patois and listen to rap. Brits are very standoffishness with South Asians (especially Muslims) and keep their distance (both male and female), but embrace black culture readily.

Yes white British guys do very well overseas, especially in America but also in places like Russia, China, Eastern Europe. It is very ironic though, because the women in Britain don't really appreciate this. Your average British town has an overwhelming percentage of guys who look after themselves, go to the gym, are relatively very good catches. But there is such a small percentage of high quality women, so you can imagine what happens.

As you mentioned before, social conditioning plays a part. A lot of Northern cities and towns are in the lowest EU ranks for wealth and development. However the South East is generally a lot more cleaner, safer and wealthier. A lot of these girls do deteriorate pretty quickly during the university years though.

The media does seem to try and create this racial politics like what you see in the U.S. But it just doesn't pass off, as the poorest communities aside from the recent immigrant communities are white areas. The poor black areas usually have the highest crime rates but they also are more prone to gentrification and being held in high regard for being "diverse".
Muslim communities generally have their shit together, because they are self reliant and have religion on their side, which holds them together.

They do have high crime rates in these neighbourhoods, and are run down, because a lot of the residents don't pay tax because they are poor, or due to them sending it back to their native homelands.


Asians and whites take to black urban culture, some of it is understandable, because black men generally are at the top of the hierarchies you see in urban neighbourhoods. If you grow up in a "diverse" area, it makes sense that you are going to pick up the accent. Although I do see a lot of asian university students training to be doctors and dentists, as well as white guys from wealthy suburbs trying to speak like that, while claiming that they come from a bad area.

Post: #71

(06-28-2014 07:57 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 06:58 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 06:16 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  White British men don't do well in their own country, although overseas they are valued highly, unless you go to the real touristy locations where the degenerates and hooligans go to. British men overall are a lot better looking than the women and have the accent which brings in the bitches.

British women on the other hand are generally a lot poorer in terms of looks and character. The best looking ones usually come from the middle class county towns, and are spending their best years in some London office. The biggest thing to realise here, is that British men look after themselves more than the women do.

About the racial dynamic, well black people don't assimilate better or worse than in America. They do well with women because British women have a lot of sex and become desensitized to British men and want to go for something different. Also most female national celebrities and music stars which girls look up to are dating, having kids with black guys.


Interesting to predict the cultural clash going on here. In East London there have been a lot of attacks on homosexuals by muslim teenagers, pretty bad stuff. The gentrified areas in which the hipsters live in, is stuck in the middle of a muslim majority borough. However this receives little press attention.

White British men could cleanup in America, for sure. As could Afro-Carribean British men. The accent is really popular with American chicks.
I also think British men are bit less feminized too than Americans. Due to whole drinking, football/soccer, hooligan, chav culture.

I've heard women in the affluent suburbs in south England are the best looking, while up north it's pretty ugly.

I've noticed white British guys really fetishize black-Carribean culture. A lot of them speak in Jamaican patois and listen to rap. Brits are very standoffishness with South Asians (especially Muslims) and keep their distance (both male and female), but embrace black culture readily.

Muslim communities generally have their shit together, because they are self reliant and have religion on their side, which holds them together.

They do have high crime rates in these neighbourhoods, and are run down, because a lot of the residents don't pay tax because they are poor, or due to them sending it back to their native homelands.

Is this what you mean by having their shit together?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenf...f-welfare/

http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/20...n-welfare/

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012...on-a-year/

Post: #72

(06-28-2014 12:48 PM)spalex Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:57 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 06:58 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  

(06-26-2014 06:16 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  White British men don't do well in their own country, although overseas they are valued highly, unless you go to the real touristy locations where the degenerates and hooligans go to. British men overall are a lot better looking than the women and have the accent which brings in the bitches.

British women on the other hand are generally a lot poorer in terms of looks and character. The best looking ones usually come from the middle class county towns, and are spending their best years in some London office. The biggest thing to realise here, is that British men look after themselves more than the women do.

About the racial dynamic, well black people don't assimilate better or worse than in America. They do well with women because British women have a lot of sex and become desensitized to British men and want to go for something different. Also most female national celebrities and music stars which girls look up to are dating, having kids with black guys.


Interesting to predict the cultural clash going on here. In East London there have been a lot of attacks on homosexuals by muslim teenagers, pretty bad stuff. The gentrified areas in which the hipsters live in, is stuck in the middle of a muslim majority borough. However this receives little press attention.

White British men could cleanup in America, for sure. As could Afro-Carribean British men. The accent is really popular with American chicks.
I also think British men are bit less feminized too than Americans. Due to whole drinking, football/soccer, hooligan, chav culture.

I've heard women in the affluent suburbs in south England are the best looking, while up north it's pretty ugly.

I've noticed white British guys really fetishize black-Carribean culture. A lot of them speak in Jamaican patois and listen to rap. Brits are very standoffishness with South Asians (especially Muslims) and keep their distance (both male and female), but embrace black culture readily.

Muslim communities generally have their shit together, because they are self reliant and have religion on their side, which holds them together.

They do have high crime rates in these neighbourhoods, and are run down, because a lot of the residents don't pay tax because they are poor, or due to them sending it back to their native homelands.

Is this what you mean by having their shit together?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenf...f-welfare/

http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/20...n-welfare/

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012...on-a-year/

He means that they haven't experienced much family or marital breakdown. Their families and extended clans are intact. They also are successfully transmitting their values to their kids and grandkids. They aren't assimilating the norms of low white chavs/Afro-Jamaicans.

There's definitely a lot of scummy behavior among Muslims, especially messing with prostitutes (ie sex grooming" and drug addiction/dealing, but it hasn't weakened their culture. Rather it seems to strengthen their culture. A lot of Muslim guys will mess with chav prostitutes from the council housing and sell/use drugs, but then later become pious Muslims out of disgust at white/Afro-Jamaican British culture. Muslim culture is fueled by disgust and hypocricy.

Muslims also run lots of small businesses too. They own plenty of their stores.

Post: #73

(06-28-2014 07:57 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Yes white British guys do very well overseas, especially in America but also in places like Russia, China, Eastern Europe. It is very ironic though, because the women in Britain don't really appreciate this. Your average British town has an overwhelming percentage of guys who look after themselves, go to the gym, are relatively very good catches. But there is such a small percentage of high quality women, so you can imagine what happens.

As you mentioned before, social conditioning plays a part. A lot of Northern cities and towns are in the lowest EU ranks for wealth and development. However the South East is generally a lot more cleaner, safer and wealthier. A lot of these girls do deteriorate pretty quickly during the university years though.

The British guys I knew in America cleaned up with hot girls of all races.

I think the women go downhill because they drink too much.

Quote:The media does seem to try and create this racial politics like what you see in the U.S. But it just doesn't pass off, as the poorest communities aside from the recent immigrant communities are white areas. The poor black areas usually have the highest crime rates but they also are more prone to gentrification and being held in high regard for being "diverse".
Muslim communities generally have their shit together, because they are self reliant and have religion on their side, which holds them together.

Poor white UK areas also can be among the most dysfunctional. In America, dysfunctional urban areas almost always mostly non-white. Often the number of whites in these neighborhoods is close to zero percent. In America, urban dysfunction is not considered a white phenomenon....... In the UK, the presence of huge numbers of chavs in urban council housing makes dysfunction less of a minority phenomenon.

When the riots happened in Britain a few years ago, the rioters were about 50/50 split between whites and blacks, as lots of chavs from council housing came to loot the stores.

Quote:Asians and whites take to black urban culture, some of it is understandable, because black men generally are at the top of the hierarchies you see in urban neighbourhoods. If you grow up in a "diverse" area, it makes sense that you are going to pick up the accent. Although I do see a lot of asian university students training to be doctors and dentists, as well as white guys from wealthy suburbs trying to speak like that, while claiming that they come from a bad area.

Just as blacks dominate sports in America, there are a huge number of Afro-Carribean dudes owning football/soccer in your country...... and both American and British pop culture feature lots of blacks. So black men are the default model for masculinity, which is attractive to a lot of white kids. Also, a lot of South Asian kids (Indian, Pakistani) come from an effeminate culture, so they're especially attracted to it.

The whole wannabe/wigger thing seems to have gone further among UKers than Americans.

Post: #74

from my experience:
Because not only they despise women, they also show it too blatantly. If you can't speak directly with a woman, you won't get laid. Also, remember that the woman has several friends, and the message that you're a douche with no social skill will be passed on.
Then they will start hating everything. And hate is a very negative message.

Most of them do not drink. European fraternization is based on beer, wine and liquor. If you do not do it... well sucks to be you.
Also, I don't mind going once in a while to the shisha bar, but going every time to a sausage fest? No thanks.

They are as reliable as an Alfa Romeo from the 70's. Which means that you cannot rely on them. Whether be it for them to be on time, give you something. They will only be reliable, if you say you're going to chase skirts.
There is the sense of humour. Which well... they just don't have. And get all but hurt about it.
There is also the fact that they act like women and think they are always right, which is, to me annoying as fuck.

And last, but not least: No Mahmoud, I don't want to hear about the Coran or Allah. If you keep on talking about it, I will tell you about the story of my country which was based on rawdogging towelheads.

Post: #75

arab guys who grew up in europe are better off moving to another place. they have too much working against them.