Post: #1

Gents,

Alcohol is most often our best wingman when it comes to running game. However, I've ran into situation twice in last month where I was unable to close two girls who were extremely receptive otherwise.

Story 1: First example was a German girl..This girl comes from a small village in Germany, has only been in the US for 2 months and seemed sweet so I didn't act too cocky around her. She used to work in a cancer hospital and that changed her opinion about smoking and alcohol. She doesn't even do hookah so it just limited my option to bistros and restaurants.

We ended up going to a fancy bistro and she religiously refused to consume any type of alcoholic beverage. Not even beer or wine.

We got dinner instead.(I know you're not supposed to but I was hungry). I ran my usual game..did the humor and so on but it just wasn't the same for some reason.

In the end we got back at my place and I made her hot chocolate !! We started a movie and I'm playing push and pull and kiss and end up taking her clothes off.

I don't know if it was the lack of alcohol or she was just an inexperienced girl (21) but I was unable to close on her and she seemed extremely awkward lying there in the bed while I was kissing her naked body.

After a while I'm lost because of her non reaction..and this girl tells me she wants to leave. For some reason I think maybe she's not comfortable sleeping on the first night and I let her go. BIG MISTAKE.

She thanks me for a wonderful evening and I never hear from again.


Story #2 Second example a Japanese International Student..This girl doesn't drink either. And it's just hard to change venues when someone doesn't drink. After the first place(hookah lounge) all I could do was tell her to come to my place to listen to music which immediately triggers her alarm bells and she tells me she suddenly realized she has some work to finish and would like to go home instead.

I feel I scared her off as she was totally sober and she saw right through my intentions. Regardless I was pissed off at her and her stupid excuse so I dropped her home after trying for two times to change her mind. While leaving she keeps chatting and behaving like everything is normal but my heart is just not into her anymore. I don't even go for a kiss in the end and deleted her number the minute she left my car.

I've a success rate of close 80% when the girl loves alcohol. It's just easy to do venue change..get into light touching..let her get into an emotional state and then invite her to come outside and share a smoke or tempt her by telling her about this rare sake/wine/vodka I have back at my place.

But with these "good" girls who don't drink, don't smoke I feel there has to be a high level of attraction in the first place for her to agree to come back to your place. It essentially takes away the power of game in many ways and you have to rely on the "natural" attraction she might have towards you.

How are you players dealing with girls like these?

Post: #2

With Asian girls esp FOBS, you'll be hard pressed to find one who drinks regularly.

Here we advocate not drinking because drinking gives you liquid courage.

Likewise when a girl drinks her cognitive fiction and jugment is impaired. It goes without saying that this is advantageous to us, but given the circumstances, you'll just have to step up your game, and also, it might take more than 1 date to get the bang.

Post: #3

With Japanese girls you don't really have to get them drunk, just give her a better excuse to come over, rather than listen to music maybe cook her dinner or something?

Quote:But with these "good" girls who don't drink, don't smoke I feel there has to be a high level of attraction in the first place for her to agree to come back to your place. It essentially takes away the power of game in many ways and you have to rely on the "natural" attraction she might have towards you.

Ummm what... you essentially just said "game=getting girls drunk". Do you really believe that?

Post: #4

(12-20-2014 12:49 PM)starboy Wrote:  With Japanese girls you don't really have to get them drunk, just give her a better excuse to come over, rather than listen to music maybe cook her dinner or something?

Quote:But with these "good" girls who don't drink, don't smoke I feel there has to be a high level of attraction in the first place for her to agree to come back to your place. It essentially takes away the power of game in many ways and you have to rely on the "natural" attraction she might have towards you.

Ummm what... you essentially just said "game=getting girls drunk". Do you really believe that?

What I meant to say is when there is alcohol involved the girl is much more open and receptive to your game. They're more likely to be in an emotional state. I'm curious do you always go on sober dates? What is your success ratio like ?

I don't think inviting her over for dinner the very first time you're meeting them is a good idea. There is a high likelihood of her flaking unless her initial attraction for you is sky high.

Post: #5

So 80% success with drinking girls vs 0% so far with nondrinkers. Doesn't that tell you something? Nondrinkers are always far more difficult to bang. I won't even waste my time with them.

(12-20-2014 12:10 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  Here we advocate not drinking because drinking gives you liquid courage.

Not true. This forum has no policy or consensus on whether players should drink or not. My impression is that the great majority of members do drink.

Post: #6

There are lots of threads that deal with this issue directly or indirectly. Use the search feature.

A sampling:

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